Adam Doueihi #227

Merlot said:
youre a Dwey hehee supporter , i hope we dont waste money on retaining him because /hanging it on yesterday , when he was fit and on good coin , being a young leader in the Team , he gave up , .Not only that but spat it ,had meltdowns ,leading .Remember the Eel's game
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Wow, really plucking for straws? Could apply the same scruinity on all the players over the season. Do you seriously not think Dwey is worth $500k plus per season? In this team.
 
TheEnz said:
U think the contesting for the ball may have something to do with the fact it was how he did his last ACL....jumping to catch a kick.
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I wish it was. The reason is he doesn't put in the effort to get to the ball. It is one of the effort areas he puts no effort into.
 
Jolls said:
I wish it was. The reason is he doesn't put in the effort to get to the ball. It is one of the effort areas he puts no effort into.
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Where’s the same level of scrutiny on Luai? Fairs fair, AD has proven himself many times this year and we are still waiting for Jarome to do so.
 
Merlot said:
5/ up until 4 weeks ago he has shown no consistency or leadership qualities (on field) in his time here
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Disagree M, at one stage he was our captain and earmarked for long term leadership, until injury struck !
I think the consistency has come coz he’s been on the ball, which is where he thrives.
For a long time I touted him as a centre, a la Mark Gasnier, but he needs to be on or around the ball to be most effective.
Anyway, it seems like he’s on the way out!
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Disagree M, at one stage he was our captain and earmarked for long term leadership, until injury struck !
I think the consistency has come coz he’s been on the ball, which is where he thrives.
For a long time I touted him as a centre, a la Mark Gasnier, but he needs to be on or around the ball to be most effective.
Anyway, it seems like he’s on the way out!
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maguire talked him up as the great white hop ,those days AD failed we have hardly seen anything of him for 2 years . But 4 games ,3good when your contract is up before xmas is nothing to hang your hat on. As a utility at the price we are willing to pay is all he is worth to us .Flannaghan may be trying to poach another of ours cheaply buy decoying AD
 
Tiger-ferret said:
Aspiring to top 4 means recruiting top 4 level players.

I didn’t say I didn’t want him (in this instance) I just don’t want to pay overs for a bloke whos been injured most of his career with a tendency to shirt grab in defence. Not to mention to then sign up with an agent who just screwed the club over. (Doesn’t sit right with me)

I actually have a growing respect for his achievement despite his injuries.

As I’ve previously commented, if dragons want to pay overs then go nuts. I think he’s gone because most of our recent signings don’t have contract detail leaked to the media.
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Think we’ll need to be recruiting about 28 players then. 🤣
I’m not sure you can believe what Dragons are quoted at offering but I don’t think $450-$500k is necessarily overs though…. unfortunately we’ve got ourselves in a pickle already paying two non performing young halfbacks around that figure (and now just got another one) which hurts AD’s claim.
Our best player on form this year, and the only one you can say has actually won us a game, and you want to give him only $350k?
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Disagree M, at one stage he was our captain and earmarked for long term leadership, until injury struck !
I think the consistency has come coz he’s been on the ball, which is where he thrives.
For a long time I touted him as a centre, a la Mark Gasnier, but he needs to be on or around the ball to be most effective.
Anyway, it seems like he’s on the way out!
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Massive overreaction to a strong game in conditions you rarely see. Try one he created through poor Dogs defence. Second try he held the ball too long and threw it forward. His run away try was great, but he gets run down if it’s not a swamp. His kicking game is made for days like that, which happen what, twice per year?

The blokes a 350K utility.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Massive overreaction to a strong game in conditions you rarely see. Try one he created through poor Dogs defence. Second try he held the ball too long and threw it forward. His run away try was great, but he gets run down if it’s not a swamp. His kicking game is made for days like that, which happen what, twice per year?

The blokes a 350K utility.
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let's hope Richo doesn't blink first
 
In reality if he was at the monetary level some believe he would have been chased by another club prior to this as he has been available since November.
One thing Gus said on 💯 footy rings true injury and consistency
What annoys me is his effort off the ball iespecially in defence Where he sometimes has the attitude of it’s not in my lane not my job
 
Tucker said:
Where’s the same level of scrutiny on Luai? Fairs fair, AD has proven himself many times this year and we are still waiting for Jarome to do so.
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If you go back through the discussion you will note that the points of contention aren't about how AD is performing in 2025. Is is about the contract offering to AD, why he should or shouldn't be offered more and his alignment with where Wests Tigers are heading.

Luai has no influence on that discussion as it was not about comparing performances; the discussion is about why or why not AD should be offered ore $. If you followed the conversation you would note that AD's performance(s) were acknowledged, on several occasions.

I believe that the reason he is not being offered more is because of his off the ball efforts; which I have provided examples of. This is a key characteristic of the type of player Benji and Richo appear to be beuilding around.

If you compare AD and Luai on output and results this season AD is probably in front - certainly over the last month. It is a different story though if you look at the off the ball efforts and I think that is where the issue lies for the coaching saff and, as a result, the offer you see from the club.

AD is a good player and will find a home with a club that will languish mid table. If you are seriously building a side to get into a premiership window can you afford to carry a player that doesn't do the 1%ers? You can't because that is what seperates the top 4 from everyone else.
 
cktiger said:
Like trying to save a try in the last minute in the Bulldogs game when it didn’t even matter? Only one who bothered.
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He was on the ball and performed - that is what AD is about. It is his off the ball efforts that are being criticised. If someone put a grubber in front of him he would react the same way - but if the kick is not for him he doesn't put pressure on, his kick chase efforts are average, etc.

This is not about how he is playing now it is about his characteristics as a player an how they fit with the team that Benji and Richo are trying to build. He can play the house down, but if he doesn't address the issues in a team that is based on effort he will be the player everyone is tearing stips off going forward.

AD as a centre in previous years was fine except for the two tries a game he let in because of his defensive efforts. Fast forward it to 2027 and let's say that Benji and Richo have built this effort based team and AD is playing 13. Based on his long term form, even as recent as Sunday when he had a cracker of a game, we will be leaking points due to a lack of inside pressure. That will be a weak point that the top performing sides will target. We won't be talking about AD not being able to defend; this site will be full of posts about his lack of effort and how we could have wasted so much money on a guy with such obvious flaws.
 
Jolls said:
If you go back through the discussion you will note that the points of contention aren't about how AD is performing in 2025. Is is about the contract offering to AD, why he should or shouldn't be offered more and his alignment with where Wests Tigers are heading.

Luai has no influence on that discussion as it was not about comparing performances; the discussion is about why or why not AD should be offered ore $. If you followed the conversation you would note that AD's performance(s) were acknowledged, on several occasions.

I believe that the reason he is not being offered more is because of his off the ball efforts; which I have provided examples of. This is a key characteristic of the type of player Benji and Richo appear to be beuilding around.

If you compare AD and Luai on output and results this season AD is probably in front - certainly over the last month. It is a different story though if you look at the off the ball efforts and I think that is where the issue lies for the coaching saff and, as a result, the offer you see from the club.

AD is a good player and will find a home with a club that will languish mid table. If you are seriously building a side to get into a premiership window can you afford to carry a player that doesn't do the 1%ers? You can't because that is what seperates the top 4 from everyone else.
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Clearly I don’t agree.
Luai has been phoning it in most of the year.
He talks a big game off field then does little on it. The bloke couldn’t organise a root in a brothel so he’s the sticking point…we have one half and supposed leader who is not living up to his promise and enormous price tag and we are baulking at offering a bloke who is displaying more in both areas the opportunity to earn a third of that salary.
It appears once again we will let a non PI walk away. You need a balanced squad. Hive minds do not work.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Massive overreaction to a strong game in conditions you rarely see. Try one he created through poor Dogs defence. Second try he held the ball too long and threw it forward. His run away try was great, but he gets run down if it’s not a swamp. His kicking game is made for days like that, which happen what, twice per year?

The blokes a 350K utility.
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Maybe we could pay the 450K and leave the sprinklers on overnight before every home game.

Given Sundays showing,
he’s the best mud runner since Van Der Hum ⛈
 
Tucker said:
Clearly I don’t agree.
Luai has been phoning it in most of the year.
He talks a big game off field then does little on it. The bloke couldn’t organise a root in a brothel so he’s the sticking point…we have one half and supposed leader who is not living up to his promise and enormous price tag and we are baulking at offering a bloke who is displaying more in both areas the opportunity to earn a third of that salary.
It appears once again we will let a non PI walk away. You need a balanced squad. Hive minds do not work.
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Yes, but that was not the subject of the conversation. If the conversation had been about Luai's performances the issues would have been front and centre. It was not though - we are in the AD thread discussing the club's offer to him and why he would not be offered more. I don't believe the leaked $350K story - classic IM.

Benji has stated he wants him to stay, but with a contract that matches how he fits into the system. It has nothing do do with his nationality - it is about his flaws as a player. AD will have been told why he isn't being offered the $ he wants. If he wants to stay and be part of the build he can - if he was smart he would build in a couple of performance clauses to get a pay rise at the end of 26 if he meets certain KPIs.

You have been consistent in the narrative that we need better to be a top 4 team. Looking at ADs performances objectively; does his off the ball play make him a player any top 4 club will chase?

If we want to be a top 4 team he makes great depth.
 
Droppy05 said:
Gee, you had to go back a long time to come up with that stat. Who gets the big money in league? Hsalves, full backs and centres. The exceptional forward, such as Haas gets a good drink. You cannot compare backs with forwards.
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I agree. Halves get the big money. Just saying elite props, such as Lazzo, Haas,etc, are just as valuable. None of those big money halves can perform behind a powderpuff pack.
 
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