Opinions on Best Way Forward

[Mighty_Tiger]

G'day TheEnz...if you celebrate Christmas, I'd like to wish you a Very Happy and Safe one.

As a dude that is lucky enough to follow Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies, I'm curious as to how you'd feel about this idea.

A black jersey and a white jersey [as you suggested] both with orange Tiger stripes, the Tigers emblem on one side of the chest
with the Western Suburbs Magpies emblem [not just the Magpie] on the other side.
I reckon that combo would look awesome.

I think it would look confusing having 2 distinctive and very different emblems.

If we had the Wests Tigers & Western Suburbs Magpies then wouldn’t they also need to have the Balmain Tigers emblem given all 3 are separate identities and have their own history apparent purpose?

We have had years of being a media target and showing signs of lack of unity. Proposing 2 logos not 3 would only heighten that.

 

[Spartan117]

G'day TheEnz...if you celebrate Christmas, I'd like to wish you a Very Happy and Safe one.

As a dude that is lucky enough to follow Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies, I'm curious as to how you'd feel about this idea.

A black jersey and a white jersey [as you suggested] both with orange Tiger stripes, the Tigers emblem on one side of the chest
with the Western Suburbs Magpies emblem [not just the Magpie] on the other side.
I reckon that combo would look awesome.

Two emblems would look trash.

I. Respectful of the magpies history, but 26 years later.

The kids are not going to suddenly like the magpies.

It's about the next 50 years not the last.

 

[Spartan117]

Really fitting that this thread has been brought back with the closure of the others as I truly just had a video suggestion on YouTube and it was the news reports from the day that both Balmain and Western Suburbs members voted at Balmain Leagues and Campbelltown on the merger of two 90+ year old clubs. So I gave it a watch.

So much heartbreak from the long time supporters, but so much understanding and hope for the future, knowing it was the right move.

The total combined vote was 549 for to 106 against. But more interestingly it was 295 to 99 on the Balmain side and 254 to just 7 for Western Suburbs.

It is so sad looking at that, that even though the numbers are so low when you think of voting members, but 655 people got to make a decision about the future of the two clubs to become one and move forward into the future, and yet over 25 years later, it is just a group of just 7 who make all the decisions for better, or more often than not worse, and the true fans and members have absolutely no say at all.

None of this is pointed at either Balmain or Western Suburbs individually, but it really just shows how much has been lost, and perhaps why the club has not seen as much success in the time we have existed. No longer the voice of the fans and members, but just of those who look for power over anything else.

So the best way forward? Back to the days that the fans and members really have a voice and have some say about the club, be it the makeup of the board, or those who choose the board. Ownership or not, the real voice of the club is the fans and members and their voices need to be heard, just like in 1999.

Good post

The number of those voting highligh just how poor both clubs were by the late 90s

Embarrassing TBVH.

The pain fades with time.

Again, win games and get those kids buying jerseys

 

[BZN]

It’s repeatedly taking the bait - hook, line, and sinker - then a thread devolving into circular arguments, that will have the thread closed.

Enjoy

weststigers is 100% correct.
A post like yours is what gets people p'd off though, then without thinking they've swallowed "the bait- hook line and sinker" and here we go around the mulberry bush again.

 

[TheEnz]

G'day TheEnz...if you celebrate Christmas, I'd like to wish you a Very Happy and Safe one.

As a dude that is lucky enough to follow Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies, I'm curious as to how you'd feel about this idea.

A black jersey and a white jersey [as you suggested] both with orange Tiger stripes on the shoulders as it is now, the Tigers emblem on one side of the chest with the Western Suburbs Magpies emblem [not just the Magpie] on the other side.
I reckon that combo would look awesome.

Merry christmas to you too BZN. Cant say i would be a fan. I think we need to get behind the Wests Tigers and have a single emblem with the nod to the heritage clubs on the back. There will always be the heritage jerseys and tbh i have never had an issue with ppl turning up to WT games wearing the magpies or balmain kit...if anything i see them as OG's and long time supporters of our team.

 

[Spartan117]

Best way forward, stop focusing on a failed past.

 

[westTAHger]

What will happen if we do?

Hopefully make top 8.
Then I will pick another scoreline 👍😉😉😆😆

 

[BZN]

Two emblems would look trash.

I. Respectful of the magpies history, but 26 years later.

The kids are not going to suddenly like the magpies.

It's about the next 50 years not the last.

🙄Having both emblems on the jersey is equally respectful to the Magpies and Tigers, so calling the look "trash" feels a bit over the top.

Adding the Western Suburbs Magpie emblem to the chest is only a fairly minor visual change kid wise and I reckon they will take to it easily and the team is still Wests Tigers.
Maybe the jersey designers could even add an artistic chain linking the two emblems.

The last 50 years, the next 50 years.
You can't charge into the future by pretending the past didn't happen.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

🙄Having both emblems on the jersey is equally respectful to the Magpies and Tigers, so calling the look "trash" feels a bit over the top.

Adding the Western Suburbs Magpie emblem to the chest is only a fairly minor visual change kid wise and I reckon they will take to it easily and the team is still Wests Tigers.
Maybe the jersey designers could even add an artistic chain linking the two emblems.

The last 50 years, the next 50 years.
You can't charge into the future by pretending the past didn't happen.

Wests Tigers aren’t Balmain Tigers it’s a different entity and history, the same as they aren’t Western Suburbs Magpies so it wouldn’t be equally respectful.

 

[Spartan117]

🙄Having both emblems on the jersey is equally respectful to the Magpies and Tigers, so calling the look "trash" feels a bit over the top.

Adding the Western Suburbs Magpie emblem to the chest is only a fairly minor visual change kid wise and I reckon they will take to it easily and the team is still Wests Tigers.
Maybe the jersey designers could even add an artistic chain linking the two emblems.

The last 50 years, the next 50 years.
You can't charge into the future by pretending the past didn't happen.

Wests magpies are not in the NRL nor are the Illawarra Steelers anymore, Not trolling.

Honestly mate, Does anyone under 40 care about the Magpies???

The should be consigned to history.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

🙄Having both emblems on the jersey is equally respectful to the Magpies and Tigers, so calling the look "trash" feels a bit over the top.

Adding the Western Suburbs Magpie emblem to the chest is only a fairly minor visual change kid wise and I reckon they will take to it easily and the team is still Wests Tigers.
Maybe the jersey designers could even add an artistic chain linking the two emblems.

The last 50 years, the next 50 years.
You can't charge into the future by pretending the past didn't happen.

Having both emblems is just going back to the future stuff and just dredges up fuel for more arguments going forward.

A big fat no.

 

[Suzie-Q]

Pains me to say, there’s no chance we’re getting anywhere near the 8.
I strongly believe this latest upheaval has taken the wind out of the sails.
The strong management, stability, and care factor from the top is a crucial element for success.
Will we be able to convince a player to sign on for more than 1 year? If by some chance a player manager accepts their player being handcuffed for more than a season there will need to be a handcuff loading. We’ve seen it already with Luai. Cap management just increased its level of difficulty.
When we’re behind on the scoreboard against a better team what motivates players? Where do they find that extra 5%? I mean, when they think they don’t have it? Family friends fans, love of the game? Teammates.? Coaching staff? Club and those who preside at the top?

I'm so worried you're right 😞

 

[BZN]

I can only see the small steps taken under Richardson - with a view to improvement and a change of perception about the club - stalled. Now all is reliant on the performance of the current team. If the team doesnt fire I see us losing any decent players we have, and the club just making up the numbers like we have for the last 10 plus seasons - while the dopes we have running the place keep knocking each other off while pretending to have clue.
There is zero evidence to suggest under HBG control this club can thrive. All they have demonstrated is a will to maintain control on the back of personal self interest.

Making claims like that in the last 2 lines of your post feels unsubstantiated unless you have evidence.

This is the sort of accusation that gets peoples backs up as it's probably been said 1,000 times before, and it already feels like we're going on another downhill spiral.

 

[cochise]

🙄Having both emblems on the jersey is equally respectful to the Magpies and Tigers, so calling the look "trash" feels a bit over the top.

Adding the Western Suburbs Magpie emblem to the chest is only a fairly minor visual change kid wise and I reckon they will take to it easily and the team is still Wests Tigers.
Maybe the jersey designers could even add an artistic chain linking the two emblems.

The last 50 years, the next 50 years.
You can't charge into the future by pretending the past didn't happen.

One of your worst ideas.

 

[FacePalm]

I’ve given this question some thought.

The best way forward?

The NRL would need to give both foundation clubs what they want.

Give Magpies a stand alone agreement at 50% valuation and likewise Balmain handed to a wealthy consortium.

While it’s possible both may fail, there’s a very strong chance both may exceed expectations given the fierce rivalry that would develop and the ensuing territorial pathways battle.

Gosh, it may even shift the Magpies focus from attacking each other to working as a team to do better than Balmain Tigers.

PVL needs to start planning for the split now so that both teams hit the ground running when the hereditary deed expires.

I say this with a heavy heart, because for 20 years I’ve become attached to Wests Tigers.

I would rather an amicable split than to be continually punished every offseason by blowups and sackings with part of the organisation altruistically trying to win footy games and the other gang motivated by self interest.
C’mon Peter V’Landys, it needs to stop mate?

yes, split! Western Suburbs can go one way, Balmain Tigers the other.

Wests Tigers will be an independent entity, and remain in the NRL, while the other two would navigate life in the second tier, or the nether.

The NRL won’t be going back to either foundation club as stand alone clubs in the NRL. The supporter base is now predominantly tied to Wests Tigers.

Neither club run their own senior or development teams. They’re sucking off the teet of the NRL club.

In contrast, Norths have been doing it if their own bat for a long time now, and it’s taken them 26 years and a shift to the other side of the continent to get back into the big time.

 

[Telltails]

Making claims like that in the last 2 lines of your post feels unsubstantiated unless you have evidence.

This is the sort of accusation that gets peoples backs up as it's probably been said 1,000 times before, and it already feels like we're going on another downhill spiral.

Can't see what you don't want to.
The evidence is in full view - sustained poor results worse than any other club, governance infighting, turn over of board members - poor stability and antiquated selection process, lack of funding directed to football operations, poor player retention, paying overs for players, wasted funds on paying people out of contracts, necessary interference from the NRL, and a perception within the NRL community that we are a basket case of a club.
Anything you would like to add?

 

[wonka]

$$$ Laundy $$$

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Can't see what you don't want to.
The evidence is in full view - sustained poor results worse than any other club, governance infighting, turn over of board members - poor stability and antiquated selection process, lack of funding directed to football operations, poor player retention, paying overs for players, wasted funds on paying people out of contracts, necessary interference from the NRL, and a perception within the NRL community that we are a basket case of a club.
Anything you would like to add?

To us supporters that deserves a 20-year jail sentence, no but the hangers on will keep making up excuses, like a dog chasing its tail making all that care about the club dizzy.

 

[twentyforty]

I think it would look confusing having 2 distinctive and very different emblems.

If we had the Wests Tigers & Western Suburbs Magpies then wouldn’t they also need to have the Balmain Tigers emblem given all 3 are separate identities and have their own history apparent purpose?

We have had years of being a media target and showing signs of lack of unity. Proposing 2 logos not 3 would only heighten that.

We already have 3 identities. There are 2 tigers and a magpie. When HBG changed the tiger emblem it became a symbol of disunity.

 

[twentyforty]

I'm so worried you're right 😞

Its pretty serious when half the team threaten to leave if the coach goes.