Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[weststigers]

For 2022 - looks like the NRL funded $13m per club so the Panthers would have had to fund the other $4m I guess ..

Did that include NRL wages?

 

[Tom Shines]

If the talk is true and all three rumoured do go, there might be room for Blore, he would be an upgrade on Seyfarth, as players go you need better coming in not always easy to do, need to be patient.

I was a bit skeptical about moving on Toa in particular, but perhaps it might happen..I’ve long been a fan of Blore … one of the other guys here was always saying he was forever injured , but i suspect there was a bit of copium after he left …he played like every game for the Storm for 2 years …

 

[Tom Shines]

Did that include NRL wages?

That was my read of the article …they also get a couple of million more over the salary cap as you probably know from the NRL …. big wages spend otherwise …how many coaches are they employing or maybe Ivan is making more than we think ?

 

[weststigers]

That was my read of the article …they also get a couple of million more over the salary cap as you probably know from the NRL …. big wages spend otherwise …how many coaches are they employing or maybe Ivan is making more than we think ?

Yes but the article said they spend 17 million, so they spend more than they are given.

I'm not sure why the pushback to prove that money doesn't help Tom. Is that your argument? That our current investment is sufficient for long-term success and the problems lay elsewhere? I don't want to assume your position, which is why I ask, but I don't really understand the heavy pushback on this issue.

 

[TheEnz]

Everyone claims they know for a fact clubs are making payments outside the cap (and I believe they likely are). Why not report what you know, make it public knowledge and maybe have the NRL look into it?

That's not what I'm saying....the pathways kids get paid outside of the cap, nothing illegal. The reality is the money is an investment in developing your pathways as they cant play in cup or first grade as those comps have a cap.

 

[Tom Shines]

Yes but the article said they spend 17 million, so they spend more than they are given.

I'm not sure why the pushback to prove that money doesn't help Tom. Is that your argument? That our current investment is sufficient for long-term success and the problems lay elsewhere? I don't want to assume your position, which is why I ask, but I don't really understand the heavy pushback on this issue.

I’ve never challenged they spend more than they are given,,,I’ve looked into this in the past and I had that figure of around $5m more than the grant in my mind … that seems to tee up with the Penrith figure but I’m a bit surprised at Parramatta…and the Canterbury report doesn’t seem to carve it out .,

People are questioning me as you are now and I’m responding …I wouldn’t necessarily describe it as “heavy pushback”…

We are ran by cheapskates no doubt , but I get a bit tired of people just thinking if we copied Penrith with the spend we would have success…it takes more than spending money

Penrith are a very special team …a once in a lifetime team… i don’t think what they have achieved is easily copied ..

 

[TheEnz]

Parramatta spend about 8-9 times more than we do a year and haven’t won a premiership in 40 years 😂

Crazy

having said that they have won alot more games then we have over the last 15 years....dont underestimate the joy fans get winning games and making finals...premierships are great, however a team that wins more than they lose is also nice.

 

[BunganHead Tiger]

I think I might know where you can pick up a cheap, second hand fedora!

 

[Tom Shines]

having said that they have won alot more games then we have over the last 15 years....dont underestimate the joy fans get winning games and making finals...premierships are great, however a team that wins more than they lose is also nice.

Yeah I get it… as I said elsewhere,,, we will have to find another way to win …

 

[TheEnz]

In terms of the "parent company" investment you also have to be mindful of the fact that the team also generates revenue, especially when its winning, ticket sales, making finals, merchandise, sponsorships etc....so a successful club may over time, not need as much money invested by its parent. That's probably why the figures can look skewed. Its also why Richo was so keen on the corporate $$, new sponsors and getting into bigger stadiums, giving away home games etc...

 

[TheEnz]

I was a bit skeptical about moving on Toa in particular, but perhaps it might happen..I’ve long been a fan of Blore … one of the other guys here was always saying he was forever injured , but i suspect there was a bit of copium after he left …he played like every game for the Storm for 2 years …

I was disappointed when Blore moved on, he was signed with Melb and from memory we let him go early to get the center (forget his name) that we ended up medically retiring. I would love to have Blore back...as long as he is not broken.

 

[weststigers]

I’ve never challenged they spend more than they are given,,,I’ve looked into this in the past and I had that figure of around $5m more than the grant in my mind … that seems to tee up with the Penrith figure but I’m a bit surprised at Parramatta…and the Canterbury report doesn’t seem to carve it out .,

People are questioning me as you are now and I’m responding …I wouldn’t necessarily describe it as “heavy pushback”…

We are ran by cheapskates no doubt , but I get a bit tired of people just thinking if we copied Penrith with the spend we would have success…it takes more than spending money

Penrith are a very special team …a once in a lifetime team… i don’t think what they have achieved is easily copied ..

This might be where you are having issues - nobody said...ever.

 

[Tom Shines]

I was disappointed when Blore moved on, he was signed with Melb and from memory we let him go early to get the center (forget his name) that we ended up medically retiring. I would love to have Blore back...as long as he is not broken.

They were saying on one of the pods last night that Blore wants to return to Sydney for pees9bal reasons … so hopefully that means it’s not another Olam situation. ….St George are in there having a crack again … ( what’s new) but apparently he may not want to train in the Gong

 

[Tom Shines]

This might be where you are having issues - nobody said...ever.

Ok mate ..whatevers…

Take it or leave it

 

[weststigers]

Ok mate ..whatevers…

Take it or leave it

I'll leave it. Ta

 

[Tom Shines]

I'll leave it. Ta

Whatevers

 

[Tom Shines]

That's not what I'm saying....the pathways kids get paid outside of the cap, nothing illegal. The reality is the money is an investment in developing your pathways as they cant play in cup or first grade as those comps have a cap.

I was under the impression that individual player contracts above a certain amount ( around $130k) had to be included within the Top 30? Is that not the case or are you saying these players are getting paid below that amount ?

It’s why we have over they years ended up with these no names on our Top 30 who never played a first grade game ..

 

[user118245]

And why can’t we have a HBG thread? People said yesterday they wanna tidy this thread up but then it becomes HBG or some other tangent. Who cares if HBG get mad they’re rotten old farts anyway

 

[gregjm87]

That's not what I'm saying....the pathways kids get paid outside of the cap, nothing illegal. The reality is the money is an investment in developing your pathways as they cant play in cup or first grade as those comps have a cap.

There are secondary caps as well. Every contract falls under a salary cap from a million dollar first grader to a 13yr old on 2k

 

[gregjm87]

Parramatta spend about 8-9 times more than we do a year and haven’t won a premiership in 40 years 😂

Crazy

I would expect that spending by Parra includes grants given by the NRL where as the 1.5mil in tigers spending obviously does not, making it about even between the two.