Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

tigertragic said:
I don’t think the halves dilemma is a big deal
All halves were signed before Luai agreed
Sezer is signed for this year (+ mutual option)
Latu and bud 1st grade abilities were/are unknown at this stage.
So 2025 it will likely be Luai - 7 and galvin - 6 with Latu 14
Sezer the backup in cup on low contract if he wants to stay
OR
Sezer - 7 and Luai -6 with Galvin 14
Latu the backup in cup
Bud to moved on or happy to be 6 in cup

So in real terms tigers only have one excess half depending on what happens to Sezer next year. The bud contract $$ is the other issue
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Fulton ok that Bud's $$$$ ?

And Fulton did not want Olam or the Salad
 
Kaito said:
Lomax granted release for 2025, yay or nay boys
& girls? Would walk into the right centre poz but
I'm a bit conflicted personally — good centre pairing
with Olam. Suppose it's a character thing, let's see...
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On the fence, depending on how much and how long the Dragons will contribute. Really only any sort of priority if WT have no decent goal kicking options.
 
tigermate said:

lol.

That’s a big possilble over estimation.

In the world of league and business I’m just conservative and always paranoid.

Someone taking a 4 yr contract is going to want a huge discount.

It’s the length more than the money.

Hope you’re right but I doubt it unless he kills it the next two weeks whilst galvin is out.

If he sucks again we’re fffd
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I agree that four years was an overreach. I'll tell you what else is an overreach, though: suggesting we're "f-ed" if Sullivan doesn't play well. As I've said, 500k for a half is peanuts nowadays and it takes a long time for the whole comp to give up on promising young halves. Tyson Gamble is 27, Kyle Flanagan is 25, Drew Hutchison is 28 - all still in or close to first grade despite never having shown much of anything.

The most likely outcome with Sullivan is that he just doesn't play much at all and therefore doesn't get a chance to enhance or reduce his perceived value by much. On this basis, if the Tigers decide he's surplus to requirements at the end of the season every club in the comp will be able to see that it's only because we have a surplus of halves. It's all but inevitable that one of them will think three years at 500k is worth a look based on his potential. Even if we have to pay some freight we'll be talking 100k or so - hardly roster crippling.

I've been hugely against some of the deals the club has given over the years - see what I've said about Nofoaluma or Bateman, for instance. But this one I just don't see hurting us very much, even if it was a misstep.
 
Odessa said:
He will get injured soon I have watched him since he was the hottest kid coming through nearly always misses 4/6 games a year
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Leeds had concussion concerns was the word....
I don't know if he had a history of them over there.
I think he was out for a play off with one, Before that I have no idea....
Just what I'd heard.
 
Tim Sheens said:
On the fence, depending on how much and how long the Dragons will contribute. Really only any sort of priority if WT have no decent goal kicking options.
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Dragons aren't going to contribute anything: they've released him from 2025, which means he's a free agent after this year and the Dragons have no obligations to him. In theory they might kick something in for 2024 but I can't imagine why they would - they have no incentive to do so.
 
2041 said:
Dragons aren't going to contribute anything: they've released him from 2025, which means he's a free agent after this year and the Dragons have no obligations to him. In theory they might kick something in for 2024 but I can't imagine why they would - they have no incentive to do so.
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So no more splinters for me and onto the next prospect.
 
2041 said:
I agree that four years was an overreach. I'll tell you what else is an overreach, though: suggesting we're "f-ed" if Sullivan doesn't play well. As I've said, 500k for a half is peanuts nowadays and it takes a long time for the whole comp to give up on promising young halves. Tyson Gamble is 27, Kyle Flanagan is 25, Drew Hutchison is 28 - all still in or close to first grade despite never having shown much of anything.

The most likely outcome with Sullivan is that he just doesn't play much at all and therefore doesn't get a chance to enhance or reduce his perceived value by much. On this basis, if the Tigers decide he's surplus to requirements at the end of the season every club in the comp will be able to see that it's only because we have a surplus of halves. It's all but inevitable that one of them will think three years at 500k is worth a look based on his potential. Even if we have to pay some freight we'll be talking 100k or so - hardly roster crippling.

I've been hugely against some of the deals the club has given over the years - see what I've said about Nofoaluma or Bateman, for instance. But this one I just don't see hurting us very much, even if it was a misstep.
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agree to disagree

time will tell

I think we'll have to chip in circa $250K bc other clubs will know we're desperate to upgrade the likes of Galvin etc and they'll smell blood.

in saying that -- i hope you're right and i'm wrong.

lets see.
 
Kaito said:
Lomax granted release for 2025, yay or nay boys
& girls? Would walk into the right centre poz but
I'm a bit conflicted personally — good centre pairing
with Olam. Suppose it's a character thing, let's see...
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Leaving $800k a year with a guaranteed wing spot and a coastal lifestyle? It seems a bit entitled considering he hasn't established himself as a rep player.
 
innsaneink said:
I was wrong on Olam but not on Sezar... With Juzza I was concerned he was broken, that his body had finally copped enough from the high intensity collisions.he plays with... I thought Melb knew this too sending him to Q cup, but just before the trials I jumped on board everyone else that was positive about him though deep inside. I still had the niging doubt

So many here had written Sezar off, I like all of us had no idea how he wod go... All new recruits are a bit of a gamble but I remained positive with him, wanted to see him have a few runs at least. He's been very good for us lately and no doubt we'll have our tough periods and down time where the team, both players or one or the other all struggle and find it tough, toughest comp in the world and it's hard for these guys to remain at their best... All. We can do is support as much as possible and enjoy these good times - they've been so rare in the recent past
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Nup. I hailed the signing from the get go.

If Alaimalo fires, it’s three stars for Tito. I note Solo is on the extended bench. Almost there Tito almost there.
 
2041 said:
Dragons aren't going to contribute anything: they've released him from 2025, which means he's a free agent after this year and the Dragons have no obligations to him. In theory they might kick something in for 2024 but I can't imagine why they would - they have no incentive to do so.
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Wouldn't they have to cover some of the 800k for the next couple of years?

I can't imagine anyone else is going to pay him that, and this is why we were stuck with Nofa. We had to offer him a payout to get him out.
 
Luai is a fantastic creator of attacking opportunities, in the SJ/Benji mold. we have had two good defensive displays in the past fortnight....but don't get it twisted our attack still needs improvement...Luai will make us a much more threatening team and if we can continue to improve this year and make the 8 he'll come into a team already filled with momentum and hopefully, he will add to that and make us a genuine top 4 contender.
 
weststigerman said:
Wouldn't they have to cover some of the 800k for the next couple of years?

I can't imagine anyone else is going to pay him that, and this is why we were stuck with Nofa. We had to offer him a payout to get him out.
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No, Dragons official statement confirms its a mutual agreement to terminate his contract for 2025 / 2026. This means the salary is completely null and void.

He will renegotiate his new salary during this process.
 
innsaneink said:
We havent seen that with Api or Olam and of the three including Jerome, hed be the last player Id think would pull that stunt...hes too competitive and with guys like Api, Olam, Galvin, Jonneh Bula & co around him...he wont be slackin off
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He's also still in his mid 20s. He's not some beaten up 33 year old. Halves don't usually peak until they hit 28 plus. I think we'll have Jarome's best years of his career
 
weststigerman said:
Wouldn't they have to cover some of the 800k for the next couple of years?

I can't imagine anyone else is going to pay him that, and this is why we were stuck with Nofa. We had to offer him a payout to get him out.
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No they don't: he's been released. He would have to ask for that, though - the club can't just do it unilaterally without, as you say, paying him out. Lomax is basically backing himself to get a better deal (or at least one he prefers) elsewhere. It's certainly a gamble.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
Leaving $800k a year with a guaranteed wing spot and a coastal lifestyle? It seems a bit entitled considering he hasn't established himself as a rep player.
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It's the exact opposite of entitled: he's backing himself to do better elsewhere, abandoning the security of a guaranteed deal to get what he can based on his skills. Entitled would be staying there on 800k and demanding to play in his preferred position or cruising on the wing.
 
tigermate said:
agree to disagree

time will tell

I think we'll have to chip in circa $250K bc other clubs will know we're desperate to upgrade the likes of Galvin etc and they'll smell blood.

in saying that -- i hope you're right and i'm wrong.

lets see.
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Yeah time will tell. I'll just say one more thing at this stage, though: I'd be extraordinarily suprised if a club that's desperate for a half prioritises squeezing another 100k out of the Tigers. I keep saying this: 500k is nothing for a first grade half. All it takes is one club to think Sullivan can be that (and, again, he'll only be 23 at the start of next season) and we have the leverage. If anything, we should be dealing from strength - start by asking what they're going to give us.
 
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2041 said:
No they don't: he's been released. He would have to ask for that, though - the club can't just do it unilaterally without, as you say, paying him out. Lomax is basically backing himself to get a better deal (or at least one he prefers) elsewhere. It's certainly a gamble.
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I would say he knows what the other offers are if he's done this.
 
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