HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

Tom Shines said:
Chammas might be a smug barstard …but if the story has come from him than it’s true …apparently Barry is still to decide …but I doubt it gets to this stage unless it’s got legs that he is returning at least as interim
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Here's one possibility

The NRL interviewed all 4 sacked board members yesterday. The story doesn't look good for HBG particularly with the false reasoning.

NRL steps in to broker a peace deal and return things back to how they were.

In the NRL mind, it is minimal use of power to reinstate a working system. Job done and resolved swiftly.

Unfortunately, it leaves the structure that allowed it to happen in the first place in tact.
 
Wtiga said:
Holman Barnes Group’s legal entities (e.g., Western Suburbs Leagues Club Ltd, Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Ltd):


  • Are public companies limited by guarantee
  • Hold ACNs and ABNs
  • Must comply with the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth)
  • Must comply with
    • Directors’ duties (s180–184)
    • Reporting obligations
    • Governance standards

ASIC regulates:


✔ Directors’ duties​


✔ Improper purpose / misuse of position​


✔ Fraud, dishonesty, misleading conduct​


✔ Conflicts of interest​


✔ Mismanagement that affects the corporate entity​


✔ Breaches of the Corporations Act​


So yes, ASIC absolutely has power if the concerns relate to:


  • The board’s decision-making
  • How directors used their position
  • Whether duties were met
  • Whether corporate processes were followed

Even though it’s a “club”, it is still a company.
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Do you know anything about the regulations and how and when they are applied?

They have not breached the corporations act and board infighting is not a reason for ASIC to become involved.
 
Wtiga said:
lol. Thats actually pretty good... But I'm offering a proper solution. That has teeth. That directors will hate. That the NRL won't want. That HBG won't want. That will stop directors from doing this again in the future. But yes -- not Nike. ASIC.
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That Trippa fella in Cochises pod suggested hed make up a template for Asic as well...
@cochise how did that go>?
 
weststigers said:
Do you know anything about the regulations and how and when they are applied?

They have not breached the corporations act and board infighting is not a reason for ASIC to become involved.
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I have a letter that fans can forward if they wish to - which states facts and which areas of the law they apply to.

And you do not know if they have or haven't. Thats up to ASIC to decide.

Sounds like you do not wish to write in and that's fine.

ASIC get involved if foreseeable harm has been done. If directors have used influence for misproper use, for conflicts of interest.

The test is would a normal director have foreseen the harm by sacking 4 independents (allegedly wihthout proper cause or with a disproportionate response) ... since then
- fans have asked for refunds
- one of the best CEOs has resigned
- brand has been tarnished in the media
- players threatening to leave

And all this after our best year onfield and off field.

ASIC can make those enquiries and determine that for themselves.

I am only suggesting them to investigate based on facts.

You are suggesting nothing has been done to breach it without knowing the laws that apply.

That's your choice.
 
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weststigers said:
Here's one possibility

The NRL interviewed all 4 sacked board members yesterday. The story doesn't look good for HBG particularly with the false reasoning.

NRL steps in to broker a peace deal and return things back to how they were.

In the NRL mind, it is minimal use of power to reinstate a working system. Job done and resolved swiftly.

Unfortunately, it leaves the structure that allowed it to happen in the first place in tact.
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My take - The NRL interviewed the Independent Directors yesterday … I assume the NRL met with the HBG boys today and quickly determined the whole story they were pushing was a bill of goods …when confronted the HBG boys started backpedaling a million miles an hour with plans for the Benji extension and they probably got hit with having to bring back BOF at a weak moment …you would think the NRL would have asked BOF the day before if he was interested in returning…

I doubt BOF is going to be going back if it’s more of the same …and he can be fired again the first Tuesday next month..

I don’t particularly care if HBG retains the ownership…just that their power is curbed and independents can be the primary decision makers in the running of the Football club.,,
 
Tom Shines said:
My take - The NRL interviewed the Independent Directors yesterday … I assume the NRL met with the HBG boys today and quickly determined the whole story they were pushing was a bill of goods …when confronted the HBG boys started backpedaling a million miles an hour with plans for the Benji extension and they probably got hit with having to bring back BOF at a weak moment …you would think the NRL would have asked BOF the day before if he was interested in returning…

I doubt BOF is going to be going back if it’s more of the same …and he can be fired again the first Tuesday next month..

I don’t particularly care if HBG retains the ownership…just that their power is curbed and independents can be the primary decision makers in the running of the Football club.,,
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I tend to agree with this.
 
mtd#2 said:
He's paid to do a job, what's the issue?

You're making it sound like he abandoned us when he all know he was pushed out.. you are smart enough to know that.


How do you know for a fact he received hundreds of emails?

Did you not listen to the press conference (that he organised himself) where he thanked the fans?

In what world does an outgoing CEO reply to 100s of fan emails? No one in their right mind should have been expecting a reply.


If he didn't care he wouldn't have conducted himself the way he did in the press conference that he organised.

One could argue he was playing the game and was just pulling the right strings for public perception...

But he comes across as genuine and passionate. I believe he believes what he said.

Richo might not bleed WT like we do, but he is exactly what we needed at the time we signed him.
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I was as excited as anyone else when it was first confirmed he was coming on board with Wests Tigers.
I saw things that gave me reason to believe he was not 💯 genuine long before the events of the past couple of weeks.
We will just have to agree to disagree on our opinions of how genuine he has been.
 
weststigers said:
Here's one possibility

The NRL interviewed all 4 sacked board members yesterday. The story doesn't look good for HBG particularly with the false reasoning.

NRL steps in to broker a peace deal and return things back to how they were.

In the NRL mind, it is minimal use of power to reinstate a working system. Job done and resolved swiftly.

Unfortunately, it leaves the structure that allowed it to happen in the first place in tact.
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Add to that possibility

Denny gets punted before Saturday and wears the brunt of the backlash for what’s happened so far this week? 🤞
 
Wtiga said:
I have a letter that fans can forward if they wish to - which states facts and which areas of the law they apply to.

And you do not know if they have or haven't. Thats up to ASIC to decide.
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They're a non-profit. Every organisation in Australia is registered under the federal Corporations Act legislation. HBG is registered under a non-profit, no share capital model. Different to Wests Tigers Pty Ltd which is a for profit company.

ASIC has a minor role in non-profit administration compared to for profit companies. Directors duties are more narrow.

Clubs are regulated at the state level by Liquor & Gaming.
 
Crucible said:
After reading the embarrassing attempts at logic by those puppets of HBG on this forum, may I suggest that the erstwhile controllers of this excellent vehicle for mostly sensible conversation, take a less generous tolerance to their bile. I for one, would like to see them banned for life and indeed in other times people like this where dealt with in the appropriate manner. I know that public floggings and the occasional guillotining is frowned upon these days (more the pity) but I think there is a very strong case for this in such dire times. For your consideration.
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Magpies and Balmain are not WT. To me they are the same as dogs fans who show up every now and then. Tolerable if civil, delete the accounts if they dont shut up or troll. It's a Wests Tigers forum not a general NRL forum.
 
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