Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

gregjm87 said:
I think he has always clearly been first grade quality but a worse footballer than just about every other clubs starting middles.
My disdain for him (and not his fault) comes from others talking him up or at least talking up attributes that I believe he lacks. The best example I can think of is I recently (and have often historically) read on here how he should start to sure up our middle defence. Now he in my opinion is very good at making his tackles but is hopeless at suring us up defensively as he does nothing to help those around. Doesn't tie in, no inside pressure, no line speed, no ruck control, nothing. But, yes he does tackle well.
Similarly his offence is one dimensional and ineffective but at least he is always willing to take a carry.
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You completely lost me at "no line speed". He lead our line speed easily all last year. Your disdain as you yourself called it has clouded your judgement
 
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krissy said:
Ssshhh guys, let’s not open that can of worms again. It has been very pleasant now that everyone has stepped back, thought about things & decided to be more respectful of each others opinions. It is appreciated & it has improved the forum.
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Unfortunately krissy when the Wests Tigers Unite info drops this Kumbaya period won't last forever.

A necessary break in peace if we all value an attempt at change for the greater good of our club.
 
king_sirro said:
You completely lost me at "no line speed". He lead our line speed easily all last year. Your disdain as you yourself called it has clouded your judgement
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The Cowboys game where we almost came back from a huge deficit, we were leaking like a sieve in the first 20 minutes. Alex Twal introduced some line speed off the bench and we almost won that game.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
True greg he's nowhere near topline but he tries hard and if he suddenly came onto the market, I doubt that he would be without a club for very long.

If only he could produce the form he did in the win against the dogs every week he would be more valuable.
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Yeah, if he's on the market he gets offers. There would be very few best 17s he doesn't make (probably only Brisbane, Roosters, Canberra and Penrith).
I kind of question the tries hard. He does to a certain extent. As I said always willing to take a carry but also doesn't do many of those 1% in defence I noted.
He also hasn't addressed this at all in the nearly 10 years in the top grade. Someone trying hard should be improving different aspects of his game. Particularly the aspects that don't involve actual ability.
king_sirro said:
You completely lost me at "no line speed". He lead our line speed easily all last year. Your disdain as you yourself called it has clouded your judgement
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Will have to agree to disagree. I don't think I went to any of our games last year for the first time in quite some time so perhaps you were seeing more than what I could see televised.
You also could very well be right that my bias plays a role in what I see. So when I see Twal slow to move I think Twal again but with some others in the same scenario it doesn't really register in my mind.
From what I see however (rightly or wrongly) he is usually half a step behind the line. In some respect he has an excuse as he is often last one back on side due to being 2nd or 3rd in and finishing off tackles, rather than standing around and watching his teammates struggle to bring someone to the ground like some of our forwards do.
Api for mine was the one to easily lead the line speed and you could see this with how often he was first into contact. Unfortunately he would often drop off tackles (purely from being a smaller body in the middle). This again meant he was the first off the ground and retreating and then first on side to lead again.
As unpopular as he is I actually think Seyfarth, when through the middle, is probably the forward that both works hard getting off the line and completes his tackles. I've some criticisms of him to but I don't think he lacks for effort areas.
 
Tucker said:
You keep stating we were in contention for the 8 before the Galvin saga, conveniently leaving out that we were still in contention after he left. It is a weak excuse to blame that situation for our poor finish to the year.
The reason we didn’t play finals last year is because as a collective they all didn’t put in enough to make it happen.
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Interpret it how you want, I'm not conveniently leaving anything out.. I'm just realistic as to the impact losing the bloke the team was around for 2 preseason has on the teams output - especially when you don't have depth + injuries. To dismiss the impact it had is naive and/or narrative driven.

We were the Wests tigers coming off 3 consecutive spoons, not the Melbourne Storm who have solid foundations in place.
 
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batboy said:
You keep saying it so often, I don’t know weather it’s us or yourself that you’re trying to convince?
Losing Galvin make them forget how to tackle in a 64 point drubbing from the runners up?
With (a happy) Galvin they couldn’t tie their shoelaces against a hapless knights in rd 1.
There’s plenty of other indicators of this team 1-17 underperforming last year.

Blokes who’ve won 4 comps,
don’t lose a season because of a 19yr old.

Panthers went close to winning it without Cleary for most of the season!!

Blaming Galvin is a cop out
- coach should be ashamed of himself for saying it, and so should anyone else.
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The fact you've compared the Panthers and Cleary to a team coming off 3 consecutive spoons shows me how unrealistic your expectations are. Maybe if we had the system and cattle then it' would be fair. But you're dreaming pal..

I'm not saying we weren't woeful in some games... And I think whenever we had injuries and shifted a makeshift centre in to cover - that's where we were exposed. I think the two games where we should have won where we conceeded 18 points in 5 minutes, it was when we had a make shift centre...

I don't solely blame Galvin, but it's completely naive to think the team coming off 3 spoons who built the game plan around this bloke wasn't a HUGE factor in what happened next.

Happy to park this and move on.. I have no interest in going around in circles..you're entitled to your opinion, we just have different expectations for a club who was at rock bottom.
 
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batboy said:
You keep saying it so often, I don’t know weather it’s us or yourself that you’re trying to convince?
Losing Galvin make them forget how to tackle in a 64 point drubbing from the runners up?
With (a happy) Galvin they couldn’t tie their shoelaces against a hapless knights in rd 1.
There’s plenty of other indicators of this team 1-17 underperforming last year.

Blokes who’ve won 4 comps,
don’t lose a season because of a 19yr old.

Panthers went close to winning it without Cleary for most of the season!!

Blaming Galvin is a cop out
- coach should be ashamed of himself for saying it, and so should anyone else.
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Galvin's all-round skill and speed should take the Bulldogs into the GF. Especially with their better coach?
 
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upthetigers said:
Careful with those words mate.

I hope by the end of 2026 everyone isn't saying Kai Piss Poor.
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Hes a player im just not sure abt. Hes got size and the talent but seems to just lag and drops out of games. I think hes a player that needs the right coach to get the best out of him. Hopefully he shows the form he showed in patches for the Poms as the kid can play. Lets hope Benji can get this kid motivated and involved.
 
Merlot said:
Didn;t some club make a play for him a few years ago , yet he stayed for less on a longer deal.
Im as tight as a fish;s bung hole , but at the time (forget the details) it was value for money , yet maybe a year to long
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Pretty sure when he last signed with the Tigers he was coy in admitting there was a misunderstanding and he had agreed to terms with the bulldogs
 
Holman Barnes #1 Fan said:
Twal is on a modest contract compared to the value he provides the team. He will get no complaints from me.
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Thank god someone evaluates a player in conjunction with their contract value.
There are far too many comments where players get evaluated as if they are all on the same contract value.
It has pretty much been confirmed that Alex Twal’s contract value is 400k which I believe is decent value in relation to his playing ability.
That type of contract generally means the player is a regular in his teams top 17, but not an automatic selection if his form drops.
 
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