HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

The Chad said:
No mate- that is a perfectly reasonable take.

I think that then takes the conversation to what are success factors, and who is responsible for it?

My take- the team in 2025 improved. Not because of the board.

But because the right coach with the right players were doing things on the field.


If you take away on-field success & failure- how have HBG performed over the last decade or so? Did they stop funding Wests & Balmain juniors? Did the Leagues club run dry on money?

We want to argue that HBG & Wests Tigers boards are separate.

Ok.

Who hires the coach? HBG? Or Wests Tigers?
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I will admit, I not privy to the ins and outs of things, but to answer your question, I feel like they haven't performed well. It took the overhaul of the board and how things are run for us to finally turn a profit. Once they were out we developed a clearer direction with where the club wants to base itself, streamlining home game allocation to our traditional homes.You could also throw in the tightening up of leaks once the review was implemented. Yes I will acknowledge the fact that HBG pay for the BDJRL...now to take a cue from yourself, I would ask what the intentions are for them in this regard. Now they may very well be pure and total good will. Alternatively, the intentions could also be the fact that Wests Ashfield is closer to Balmain than Cambelltown, and making sure they have that are secured is important to the Magpie cause. I have no idea, but it could go either way.
 
Telltails said:
Good old Chad doesnt know anything when defending HBG's actions but defends them consistently as the aggressors, but when it comes to Richardson and OFarrelll still doesn't know anything but comes up with a theory to discredit them.
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And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.
 
mtd#2 said:
Ink posted above that the media leak and video ammouncement were on the same day, so it rules this theory out.
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Not fully.
When the first partition came out they copped it royally as well.
Anyway, it is what it is.
If the team don’t perform this year or continue to lose players we have developed, then I’ll kick them as well.
I wasn’t a fan of Richardson, so I’m not outraged like most are.
 
diedpretty said:
And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.
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Lets talk facts then.

- No one was talking about HBG until their CEO posted a video to announce the sacking of the independent directors and new vision for the club.

-Richo resigned.

-HBG met with PVL

- HBG reinstated the directors.

So now HBG look completely incompetent.

If they want to clear the air, then they should come out with a statement and explain what happened.

Until then, they will continue to look incompetent to the majority of NRL fans.

The rest is speculation.
 
diedpretty said:
And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.
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Everyone knows the outcome when HBG has been in total control
 
The Chad said:
I don't know. Honestly- I've said this quite a lot- I don't know why they have done some of the things they have.

Tucker might have the right of it- more a PR exercise as they were getting roundly berated at the time.

Maybe they felt responsible to explain to fans why they were changing it BECAUSE they were looking to change something largely driven by fan requests?

What I will say is, despite taking O'Farrell back, at no point have HBG changed that statement/given a new one. So, on face value of it, they felt, as a group, that they were left out of significant financial decisions at a board level.

How that came about is open to speculation.

What I believe/suspect is- with the way HBG shifted gears on the board members post the Richardson resignation- having Richardson out of the club eased the situation.

Read into that what you like, but the two things together, combined with O'Farrell & Richardson signing off on the ground allocations.. I imagine this is the focal point.

If I was a betting man, my guess would be that HBG felt Richardson (and to a lesser degree O'Farrell/independent board members) was making decisions that HBG felt should have been run past them as the main financial partner of the Wests Tigers (not including grants etc).
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If that is the case, why did they say Richo had their full support.

As I've said there is no light you can paint this in that makes the HBG in the right.

They messed this up big time and it just adds to a long list of mess ups.
 
diedpretty said:
And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.
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Fact - Julie Romero dumped less than 12 months after being made chair of board - no explanation.
Fact - HBG sacked independents - retaining HBG reps - after what most considered was an improved season.
Fact - the board via Paton said they fully supported Richardson knowing that he publically stated that his tenure was dependent on a independent board re review and Barry O Farrell to be retained as chair.
Fact - Independents reinstated after meeting with NRL/ PVL with a 5 4 majority of HBG board members resulting - in no longer independent
Fact - Highly regarded CEO resigns - untenable
Fact ,- Benji Marshall extended for 5:years - after board dismantled even he says he probably doesn't deserve it
So yeh have formed opinions/concerns on the governance considering last off season three other board members were dumped and banned for some other "misdemeanors" and no apologies for that.
Chad is offering explanations for why these actions may have happened with openly stating he doesn't know - vastly different to forming an option on what has actually happened.
 
The Chad said:
Just giving an alternative option.

The 'theory' doesn't necessarily discredit anyone. Like I said, HBG FELT they were not consulted adequately. The Wests Tigers board might think differently.

People seem to want to overlook what HBG said when they made their decision.
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I would hope they knew, not felt before they dismissed 4 board members for lack of communication.

Probably damaged the professional reputation of a couple of them. Im surprised that some of them are returning.
 
The Chad said:
4 years ago it was Pascoe & Hagipentalis that were to blame.

Then it was Sheens.

Now it's HBG.

People like Shane Richardson. So it's definitely not him.

Opinion on where blame should be directed isn't consistent.
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That's why an external review was important. Let professional establish what was wrong inside the club.
 
The Chad said:
Maybe.

But your speculation & mine are neither more right or wrong.

This is why I keep saying- don't know.

What nobody (bar the Pro Magpies shills or whatever we are calling them today) wants to acknowledge is that HBG may have had a point. The fans are convinced that HBG is Emperor Palpatine & his cronies at work.

And that is fine. But it doesn't make it true.
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What point shows them in a positive light though?
 
The Chad said:
Sorry mate- I brushed over something.

I do call out people for speculating to a degree.

Speculate away- honestly.

It's what a forum should be for.

BUT.

Speculating & being adamant that the speculation is RIGHT is where I call it out.

We've had organised marches, people wanting to send back their memberships, demands for HBG board members to step down- but we have not heard the outcome of the HBG claims.

It's a terrible shame to hang someone as guilty only to find out years later they were not.
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Isn't that what HBG did by dismissing the independent directors and then needing to backtrack and reappoint them?
 
mtd#2 said:
Lets talk facts then.

- No one was talking about HBG until their CEO posted a video to announce the sacking of the independent directors and new vision for the club.

-Richo resigned.

-HBG met with PVL

- HBG reinstated the directors.

So now HBG look completely incompetent.

If they want to clear the air, then they should come out with a statement and explain what happened.

Until then, they will continue to look incompetent to the majority of NRL fans.

The rest is speculation.
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A lot of that is speculation too. Well, at least some.
 
cochise said:
Isn't that what HBG did by dismissing the independent directors and then needing to backtrack and reappoint them?
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At the risk of repeating myself & the likes of yourself rolling your eyes...

Maybe.

But we don't know why they were reappointed. What was discussed between PVL, HBG & O'Farrell COULD be that HBG were told they must take Barry back like naughty little boys.

Or.

PVL & O'Farrell discussed the situation with HBG, and HBG felt that with other staff members moving on, there was a path forward with Barry as chair.
 
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