HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[The Chad]

Who oversaw all those people and appointments?

The Wests Tigers board of directors?

 

[The Chad]

Ink posted above that the media leak and video ammouncement were on the same day, so it rules this theory out.

Fair enough- was this before or after the radio stations started talking about it, taking calls, online articles coming out?

 

[mtd#2]

Maybe they felt responsible to explain to fans why they were changing it BECAUSE they were looking to change something largely driven by fan requests?

I must misunderstand this statement, because surely you are not suggesting that fans were requesting to oust the independent board members?

 

[king_sirro]

Maybe.

But your speculation & mine are neither more right or wrong.

This is why I keep saying- don't know.

What nobody (bar the Pro Magpies shills or whatever we are calling them today) wants to acknowledge is that HBG may have had a point. The fans are convinced that HBG is Emperor Palpatine & his cronies at work.

And that is fine. But it doesn't make it true.

I feel sorry the champion old Magpie folk who have fully embraced the Wests Tigers and see just as clearly as the rest of us. They unfortunately may feel like they get put into the bracket you just described, but in reality, that bracket is a tiny minority who want to hurt the only thing our kids know. Shame on them

 

[mtd#2]

Fair enough- was this before or after the radio stations started talking about it, taking calls, online articles coming out?

From what I can see it was all on the same day. They would have hired someone to come and film the statement - its not like they had a media room to jump into an hour after the news broke. So it appears to be premeditated... not reactionary as suggested here.

 

[The Chad]

Chad i admire your calmness in discussing things and your obviously more eloquent than they likes of me, however I sort of feel like your calling people out for speculating, but in a way your doing the same speculation, just throwing in the odd "no one knows" line to deflect away your point of view and opinion that you are pushing.

Sorry mate- I brushed over something.

I do call out people for speculating to a degree.

Speculate away- honestly.

It's what a forum should be for.

BUT.

Speculating & being adamant that the speculation is RIGHT is where I call it out.

We've had organised marches, people wanting to send back their memberships, demands for HBG board members to step down- but we have not heard the outcome of the HBG claims.

It's a terrible shame to hang someone as guilty only to find out years later they were not.

 

[The Chad]

From what I can see it was all on the same day. They would have hired someone to come and film the statement - its not like they had a media room to jump into an hour after the news broke. So it appears to be premeditated... not reactionary as suggested here.

That is possible.

I mean, it seems unlikely that HBG didn't think this would cause some friction.

 

[The Chad]

I feel sorry the champion old Magpie folk who have fully embraced the Wests Tigers and see just as clearly as the rest of us. They unfortunately may feel like they get put into the bracket you just described, but in reality, that bracket is a tiny minority who want to hurt the only thing our kids know. Shame on them

Yeah, to a degree I agree.

Again, slightly different take- guys that are pro-Magpies & are defending HBG etc...they are allowed to as well.

Not trying to call out anyone in particular- but some of the name calling isn't coming from the "Magpie shills".

Not trying to single anyone out- apologies beforehand- but Cochise can have an 'animated' discussion without trying to belittle someone that doesn't agree with him.

There are others, who I just don't respond to anymore, that cannot do that.

It goes both ways.

 

[king_sirro]

Sorry mate- I brushed over something.

I do call out people for speculating to a degree.

Speculate away- honestly.

It's what a forum should be for.

BUT.

Speculating & being adamant that the speculation is RIGHT is where I call it out.

We've had organised marches, people wanting to send back their memberships, demands for HBG board members to step down- but we have not heard the outcome of the HBG claims.

It's a terrible shame to hang someone as guilty only to find out years later they were not.

You always seem to skip over the part where they had years being in control and failed. That is the most significant thing here. Thats the part where the negative speculation towards them comes in. That is not just fair enough and reasonable thinking, its human nature. Theres a reason the majority dont like HBG and its a minority defending them. Usually that tells you something. Its like watching your sister get cheated on, she takes him back with the promise of not doing it again...as a brother, its human nature to be negative to the guy that failed your sister and not trust him...why should we trust a group that has gone behind the fans back?

 

[The Chad]

I must misunderstand this statement, because surely you are not suggesting that fans were requesting to oust the independent board members?

Sorry- not very clear.

The independent board members were in place because of fan requests.

HBG might have felt compelled to announce their removal to fans because of that.

 

[The Chad]

You always seem to skip over the part where they had years being in control and failed. That is the most significant thing here. Thats the part where the negative speculation towards them comes in. That is not just fair enough and reasonable thinking, its human nature. Theres a reason the majority dont like HBG and its a minority defending them. Usually that tells you something. Its like watching your sister get cheated on, she takes him back with the promise of not doing it again...as a brother, its human nature to be negative to the guy that failed your sister and not trust him...why should we trust a group that has gone behind the fans back?

No mate- that is a perfectly reasonable take.

I think that then takes the conversation to what are success factors, and who is responsible for it?

My take- the team in 2025 improved. Not because of the board.

But because the right coach with the right players were doing things on the field.


If you take away on-field success & failure- how have HBG performed over the last decade or so? Did they stop funding Wests & Balmain juniors? Did the Leagues club run dry on money?

We want to argue that HBG & Wests Tigers boards are separate.

Ok.

Who hires the coach? HBG? Or Wests Tigers?

 

[king_sirro]

No mate- that is a perfectly reasonable take.

I think that then takes the conversation to what are success factors, and who is responsible for it?

My take- the team in 2025 improved. Not because of the board.

But because the right coach with the right players were doing things on the field.


If you take away on-field success & failure- how have HBG performed over the last decade or so? Did they stop funding Wests & Balmain juniors? Did the Leagues club run dry on money?

We want to argue that HBG & Wests Tigers boards are separate.

Ok.

Who hires the coach? HBG? Or Wests Tigers?

I will admit, I not privy to the ins and outs of things, but to answer your question, I feel like they haven't performed well. It took the overhaul of the board and how things are run for us to finally turn a profit. Once they were out we developed a clearer direction with where the club wants to base itself, streamlining home game allocation to our traditional homes.You could also throw in the tightening up of leaks once the review was implemented. Yes I will acknowledge the fact that HBG pay for the BDJRL...now to take a cue from yourself, I would ask what the intentions are for them in this regard. Now they may very well be pure and total good will. Alternatively, the intentions could also be the fact that Wests Ashfield is closer to Balmain than Cambelltown, and making sure they have that are secured is important to the Magpie cause. I have no idea, but it could go either way.

 

[diedpretty]

Good old Chad doesnt know anything when defending HBG's actions but defends them consistently as the aggressors, but when it comes to Richardson and OFarrelll still doesn't know anything but comes up with a theory to discredit them.

And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.

 

[diedpretty]

I feel sorry the champion old Magpie folk who have fully embraced the Wests Tigers and see just as clearly as the rest of us. They unfortunately may feel like they get put into the bracket you just described, but in reality, that bracket is a tiny minority who want to hurt the only thing our kids know. Shame on them

Patronising bullshit

 

[Tucker]

Ink posted above that the media leak and video ammouncement were on the same day, so it rules this theory out.

Not fully.
When the first partition came out they copped it royally as well.
Anyway, it is what it is.
If the team don’t perform this year or continue to lose players we have developed, then I’ll kick them as well.
I wasn’t a fan of Richardson, so I’m not outraged like most are.

 

[mtd#2]

And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.

Lets talk facts then.

- No one was talking about HBG until their CEO posted a video to announce the sacking of the independent directors and new vision for the club.

-Richo resigned.

-HBG met with PVL

- HBG reinstated the directors.

So now HBG look completely incompetent.

If they want to clear the air, then they should come out with a statement and explain what happened.

Until then, they will continue to look incompetent to the majority of NRL fans.

The rest is speculation.

 

[king_sirro]

Patronising bullshit

Are you saying im being patronising? If so, hand on heart not my intention at all

 

[tigertragic]

And you and others only know exactly the same as Chad as to the reasons for what went down. You and others keep making statements saying that they are fact with no evidence whatsoever but then get on your high horse and belittle others who do the same with a different view.

Everyone knows the outcome when HBG has been in total control

 

[Merlot]

This thread should be renamed - Bang Your Head Against A Wall

 

[cochise]

I don't know. Honestly- I've said this quite a lot- I don't know why they have done some of the things they have.

Tucker might have the right of it- more a PR exercise as they were getting roundly berated at the time.

Maybe they felt responsible to explain to fans why they were changing it BECAUSE they were looking to change something largely driven by fan requests?

What I will say is, despite taking O'Farrell back, at no point have HBG changed that statement/given a new one. So, on face value of it, they felt, as a group, that they were left out of significant financial decisions at a board level.

How that came about is open to speculation.

What I believe/suspect is- with the way HBG shifted gears on the board members post the Richardson resignation- having Richardson out of the club eased the situation.

Read into that what you like, but the two things together, combined with O'Farrell & Richardson signing off on the ground allocations.. I imagine this is the focal point.

If I was a betting man, my guess would be that HBG felt Richardson (and to a lesser degree O'Farrell/independent board members) was making decisions that HBG felt should have been run past them as the main financial partner of the Wests Tigers (not including grants etc).

If that is the case, why did they say Richo had their full support.

As I've said there is no light you can paint this in that makes the HBG in the right.

They messed this up big time and it just adds to a long list of mess ups.