Tiger_claws
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Lets see Schiller bring the ball out of our end. People also saying Schiller can cover multiple positions, really? In what grade? Jeral is no superstar but he is far superior to Schiller. Terrible decision
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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Schiller has played much more centre than he has wing.
Skelton was purely a winger only.
Schiller is a much better attacking right centre than what Herbert is if we have Averillo out injured or playing another position.
Skelton was a big body who was generally good with his yardage carries and a good finisher when given opportunities in our red zone, but didn’t have much pace, was very limited with his aerial leap, so not really at attacking option with the high ball.
Schiller is tall, fast and athletic, hisssheer speed would be another player who can score and sssist in scoring long range tries and is tall and athleticism would be a ge one target and option to chase high balls and be a ge one chance of leaping over his opponents to create try scoring opportunities or score tries.
Newcastle and the Dolphins were not better than us in the forwards, but both made the last 4 based on their genuine speed and attacking weapons.
If we have learnt anything, surely it is to ensure we include some players with genuine speed and attacking x-factor to at least be capable of worrying our opponents and being able to make long range line breaks and score long range tries.
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I agree with much of your post, but the Knights forwards a lot stronger than ours.
FRF - Saifiti / Mooney / Hopgood / Saul
2RF - Lucas / Manuela / McEwan / Can't
Lock - Croker / Frizzel
Not sure any of our forwards start in that pack.
At or close to their best I would definitely have Terrell May, Fonua Pole and Alex Twal in that 6 man middle forward rotation and Sione Fainu would probably be included also.
Jacob Saifiti and Trey Mooney would both have to be included and then it’s a flip of the coin between MatcCrokercand Sione Fainu. I think Sione is a better player, but Mat Croker has developed a nice passing game when used as the 1st receiver style of 13. It’s very debatable if Mat Croker is a better 13 than Alex Seyfarth, to be honest I think Seyfarth has a bit more steel about his game.
The edge back rowers are very even as the Knights trio of McEwan, Manuleilua and Lucas all have good explosive speed, but our 2 in Samuela Fainu and KPP at their best probably have a slightly better all round game.
The Knights are far superior to us at fullback, in the centres and on the wings.
We can’t do much about closing the gap at fullback except hope that Bula steps up his game in 2027.
The inclusion of Averillo, hoping that Makasini starts living up to his potential on the wing, hoping Turuva has a much more productive season in 2027 and hoping Taylan May can stay relatively injury free in 2028 would hopefully see us close the gap with the big difference in the backline, but it’s equally as important to have good quality depth to add competition for NRL positions and be good cover when we have injuries.
Personally I think we need 2 good quality outside backs to ensure this happens, but 1 would be better than none.
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Rock Hopper Steve
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That's the forum for ya, opinions vary, I will hold back judgement till he plays for us if he signs.
Odessa
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I would have Jeral stay and get Schiller down from Newcastle just need some players there is always injuries and sometimes seems more at the Tiger's plus someone has to play in Reggie's
Never come across a poster here that goes to so Much effort to talk out his arse.
It’s like you think you’re the only bloke here with a TV or the internet to check this shit your write.
Where you getting your stats Vicious?
Schiller has barely played a game at centre in top flight.
Even in ressies this year he didn’t play one game at centre..
happy_tiger
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Spoke about the forwards .....not one mention about defensive capabilities
Spoke about centres .....not one mention about defensive capabilities
You just don't get rugby league ....do you
I'd argue a couple points here.
1) Surely if you can assess the quality of the opponents watching live, you can also assess the quality of the opponents by watching the video.
2) clubs getting sent video is nothing new. I recall reading Fatty's book many years ago about how he ended up at Manly, it was after his manager sent them a tape (there was a bit more to the yarn to it but that is what it came down to). That was in 1978 so being of an older generation shouldn't change anything.
I'm not saying boots on the ground don't matter but most recruiting is done in a tape room and has been this way for a long time.
happy_tiger
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The Fatty story was he scored an amazing 80 metre try from the scrum base for Weets v Valleys in a knockout semi tinal ( which I was at ) the goalkicker misses the conversion from in front and Wests loses by a point
When Arthurson was given the info about Fatty it was he was a defensive machine
So his manager attached Fattys try to the start of the video ....Arko says this kid can make 40 tackles a week as well .....Fatty to Manly
Yeah but he didn't attach the video to the start he fast forward the tape to that try
happy_tiger
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Yeah ....sorry your right about that
And Wally said he have never scored if he had played
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Check your facts.
I am talking about his whole career, not just one injury riddled season.
What are you arguing about, are you happy with Patrick Herbert and Tino Tavana as our first players called up for our right sided outside backs?
Surely you want someone better who has the physical attributes to threaten and worry decent to good opposition at NRL level?
You don’t get it, no defence will be good enough without speed and attacking ability that can stretch and worry the opposing defence.
It’s no longer the 1930’s where team full of grinders can consistently win games.
The best form of defence is attack, in case you haven’t noticed that’s the style of play that is getting decent results as proven in the 2026 season by both the Knights and Dolphins.
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happy_tiger
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You can't win premierships without great defence
Again so Cleary , Robinson and Bellamy are wrong ....and your right .....I know who is probably right
But my point is don't even bring up defence once .....same as your post
comparing Skelton and Schiller
So the Dolphins and Knights won the premiership .....NO .....the Knights made the GF and were competitive in the GF because of their defence and the injury to Cleary
And the Robinson coached the premiership ....2nd best defence in the NRL
Defence is 50% of the game .....end of story....the defence rests
I Don't need to
- I noticed you deflect to other players I didn't mention rather than checking your stats?
(There's a shock)
By the Ramble above - We're assuming Schiller is such a player for you?
Again, His history is hardly enough to make such assumptions.
Show me a decent sample size of Schiller playing top grade at Centre.
Actually, You can't - So don't bother with that...
Or replying with a ramble that heads on a totally different tangent.
I'm not alone in recognising you don't know your arse from your elbow.
mtd#2
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You also cant access it till you are like 65 or something.. I am sure blokes in their 20s much prefer it in their own pocket
mtd#2
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The Knights grinded their way to a grand final on the back of their defence.
Show me a sample of the likes of Cody Walker, and Jahrome Hughes etc playing NRL before the age of 24.
Plenty of good quality players spend quite a bit of tine playing Reserve Grade stuck behind some very good players in their same position before they end up getting regular NRL opportunities.
When talking about signing fringe players, there is not a lot of options that have previously played 1 or 2 good quality NRL games and are not ready for the old age pension, so common sense would tell you if you can get players that have previously shown they are capable at NRL level and are still only in their mid 20’s or younger, they are very shrewd depth signings.
Based on your theory of signing no depth players, we end up with the same results we did in 2026, do you like losing?
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Only on the finals.
They got tj the finals on the back of their attack.
Does that sound familiar?
You will find the Wests Tigers 2095 Premiership winning team was similarly very attack minded and their defence clicked on the finals.
Defence is a mindset and when a team is highly confident good effort when defending will likely lead to points down the other end, the defence generally improves because of it.
On the flip side when a team is defending well week after week, but not getting rewarded with any points down the other end, the defensive resolve ends up fading and they start leaking points, does that sound familiar?
Not only the capability of scoring points, but just the capability of making line breaks hurts the opposing teams attack as they are zapping energy and losing field position every time they defend a long line break.
