1,6,7,9

[Cultured_Bogan]

Top call Vicious, perhaps Moltzen or Ryan will be a far more threatening alternative?

I'm sure Bennett would take someone who has absolutely no idea in that role far more seriously…

:unamused:

 

[Vicious]

Top call Vicious, perhaps Moltzen or Ryan will be a far more threatening alternative?

I'm sure Bennett would take someone who has absolutely no idea in that role far more seriously…

:unamused:

If slow boring fullbacks are what`s needed to win a Premiership in the NRL, why don`t the other 15 NRL clubs agree???

 

[hooker]

Top call Vicious, perhaps Moltzen or Ryan will be a far more threatening alternative?

I'm sure Bennett would take someone who has absolutely no idea in that role far more seriously…

:unamused:

If slow boring fullbacks are what`s needed to win a Premiership in the NRL, why don`t the other 15 NRL clubs agree???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVeSI2o3AHc

boring? no

slow? maybe

 

[Vicious]

Top call Vicious, perhaps Moltzen or Ryan will be a far more threatening alternative?

I'm sure Bennett would take someone who has absolutely no idea in that role far more seriously…

:unamused:

If slow boring fullbacks are what`s needed to win a Premiership in the NRL, why don`t the other 15 NRL clubs agree???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVeSI2o3AHc

boring? no

slow? maybe

3-4 seasons back Wade McKinnon was a great attacking footballer when he was in his prime with the Warriors, if he still had that same ability now I would worship the ground he walked on. The truth to it is that this groin problem he has at the moment has been ongoing for 3 years, if he hasn`t got over it in the past 3 years he`s not going to get over it anytime soon. Because of the groin injury he`s lost his speed hence the reason the Warriors were so happy to release him early last season.

This is unfortunate for Wade & the Wests Tigers, but they knew of the risk they were taking when they signed him.
The big picture is that the modern day fullback is a very important part of a sides attack and if you don`t have a fullback with genuine speed it`s a very big disadvantage!

 

[hooker]

Top call Vicious, perhaps Moltzen or Ryan will be a far more threatening alternative?

I'm sure Bennett would take someone who has absolutely no idea in that role far more seriously…

:unamused:

If slow boring fullbacks are what`s needed to win a Premiership in the NRL, why don`t the other 15 NRL clubs agree???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVeSI2o3AHc

boring? no

slow? maybe

3-4 seasons back Wade McKinnon was a great attacking footballer when he was in his prime with the Warriors, if he still had that same ability now I would worship the ground he walked on. The truth to it is that this groin problem he has at the moment has been ongoing for 3 years, if he hasn`t got over it in the past 3 years he`s not going to get over it anytime soon. Because of the groin injury he`s lost his speed hence the reason the Warriors were so happy to release him early last season.

did you see him chase those clubs?
did you see that swing?

but seriously
Wade is an athlete and a wonderful addition to our team.
I think when fit he is our FB.
2nd in line is Brown.

 

[happy_tiger]

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I think we saw it against the Broncos.

1\. Moltzen
6\. Benji
7\. Lui
9\. Farah

Moltzen will improve, Farah to stop taking the wrong option, Benji to get more involved and Lui to learn to defend and then we have the best 1,6,7 & 9 combo in the league.

Moltzen will not improve Get over it
MacKinnon\Brown
Benji
Lui
Farah
How simple is that

Sheens knows we cannot win the competition with a slow pedestrian fullback such as McKinnon hence the reason he`s persisting with someone with attacking flair such as Moltzen at the back.
I`m not sure if Moltzen is going to make the necessary improvements to make a good fullback as he cannot play fullback if he doesn`t attack the high ball and run the ball back hard, but if Moltzen doesn`t work at the back it has to be either Jake Mullaney or Mitch Brown, we cannot possibly win the competition with a slow boring fullback such as Wade McKinnon. McKinnon tries hard, but that doesn`t cut the mustard as a NRL fullback these days, you need an excitement machine at the back.
If you don`t believe me, take a look at who is playing fullback for the other 15 NRL clubs, they are all far superior attacking players to what Wade McKinnon is!

With respect a bit slow maybe, but Wade is far from boring.

Also i think he is a wonderful support player and we have quite a few cooks as it is.

Teams such as the Dragons, Storm, Broncos & Bulldogs will be shaking in their boots knowing they might have Wade McKinnon to deal with.
Please, give us someone at the back who is going to worry them, not someone they are going to laugh about!
Vicious seeing that Tiger 05 won't touch the problems with having Moltzen at the back causes Maybe you might wish to have a go . With Moltzen being so imcompotent under the high ball . Having no communication with his wingers usually out of position in attack and defence . No a touch on Mackinnon with his support play . Your only argument is that Moltzen is faster . HA HA HA . Some of the best fullbacks positionally I have seen in my lifetime weren't fast . Graham Eadie , Andrew Leeds not overly quick but always in the right position in attack and in defence . Playing fullback is one of the three most important positions on the field . You need to be able to read the game the scoreline and what the opposition are trying to do . Moltzen does not have the ability to do that and he could be as fast as Usain Bolt and it would not help . So even if you think MacKinnon isn't the man for the job Mitch Brown is next in line as He may not be as good positionally as MacKinnon but is fantastic under high ball 'very quick and communicates well with his wingers . Why do you want Moltzen back there for . There is no good reasons to put him there .You must be able to see that and if you don't you know absolutely nothing about the game

 

[Vicious]

["]

I think we saw it against the Broncos.

1\. Moltzen
6\. Benji
7\. Lui
9\. Farah

Moltzen will improve, Farah to stop taking the wrong option, Benji to get more involved and Lui to learn to defend and then we have the best 1,6,7 & 9 combo in the league.

Moltzen will not improve Get over it
MacKinnon\Brown
Benji
Lui
Farah
How simple is that

Sheens knows we cannot win the competition with a slow pedestrian fullback such as McKinnon hence the reason he`s persisting with someone with attacking flair such as Moltzen at the back.
I`m not sure if Moltzen is going to make the necessary improvements to make a good fullback as he cannot play fullback if he doesn`t attack the high ball and run the ball back hard, but if Moltzen doesn`t work at the back it has to be either Jake Mullaney or Mitch Brown, we cannot possibly win the competition with a slow boring fullback such as Wade McKinnon. McKinnon tries hard, but that doesn`t cut the mustard as a NRL fullback these days, you need an excitement machine at the back.
If you don`t believe me, take a look at who is playing fullback for the other 15 NRL clubs, they are all far superior attacking players to what Wade McKinnon is!

With respect a bit slow maybe, but Wade is far from boring.

Also i think he is a wonderful support player and we have quite a few cooks as it is.

Teams such as the Dragons, Storm, Broncos & Bulldogs will be shaking in their boots knowing they might have Wade McKinnon to deal with.
Please, give us someone at the back who is going to worry them, not someone they are going to laugh about!
Vicious seeing that Tiger 05 won't touch the problems with having Moltzen at the back causes Maybe you might wish to have a go . With Moltzen being so imcompotent under the high ball . Having no communication with his wingers usually out of position in attack and defence . No a touch on Mackinnon with his support play . Your only argument is that Moltzen is faster . HA HA HA . Some of the best fullbacks positionally I have seen in my lifetime weren't fast . Graham Eadie , Andrew Leeds not overly quick but always in the right position in attack and in defence . Playing fullback is one of the three most important positions on the field . You need to be able to read the game the scoreline and what the opposition are trying to do . Moltzen does not have the ability to do that and he could be as fast as Usain Bolt and it would not help . So even if you think MacKinnon isn't the man for the job Mitch Brown is next in line as He may not be as good positionally as MacKinnon but is fantastic under high ball 'very quick and communicates well with his wingers . Why do you want Moltzen back there for . There is no good reasons to put him there .You must be able to see that and if you don't you know absolutely nothing about the game

Moltzen has been very disappointing at the back with his lack of belief to take the high ball & lack of courage to bring the ball back at high speed. I would disagree that McKinnon is a better support player, Moltzen strength is his support play.
Moltzen must obviously have the ability to take a high ball, he did play nearly a season of fullback in our U/20`s side and i`m certain Sheens didn`t play him there against the Broncos after the troubles he had with the high ball the week before without putting him under the acid test at training throughout the week. I was as dumbfounded as everyone else when he didn`t even attempt to take the high ball when Yow Yeh scored the Broncos first try against us, but i`m convinced he`s a quick learner and won`t let it happen again. He also needs to stop prancing around & throwing 20m passes from kick returns and it`s obviously a lack of courage and worrying that he`s going to lose the ball in the tackle why he won`t run the ball back hard from kick returns, believe me I`m one of the harshest people on earth when it comes to first grade footballers playing with a lack of courage, but I believe somewhere within Tim Moltzen lies a tough kid and I believe he can also overcome this problem.
Worst case scenario if Moltzen doesn`t overcome these problems and become a very good fullback, we also have a rising star in Jake Mullaney who`s try scoring feats in the U/20`s aren`t all that different to Ben Barba`s and we`ve all witnesses what an impact Ben Barba is having this season.
Third option being Mitch Brown, I`ve got no problem at all with Mitch playing fullback, but he`s got the frame to be up in the front line pulling off big hits when needed and doesn`t have quite the same brilliance in attack that Moltzen or Mullaney have!

 

[happy_tiger]

And Ben Barba has issues with the high ball when he is given good bombs to defuse . How you can think that Moltzen is a better support player than MacKinnon is truly beyond me . And you mention that Moltzen learns from his mistakes Titans game Prince puts up a high ball (we lead 14-0 at the time ) and I reckon most SG ball fullbacks would back themselves to catch 90% of the time and he lets bounce and Zillman scores when ball bounces backwards . You could see with the spin on the ball it would either sit up or kick backwards (From experience not foresight) Situation 2 Scores 0-0 Lockyer puts up a bomb that Moltzen refuses to make a play on and Yow Yeh catches and scores . Tell me Vicious how did Moltzen learn quickly or at all . Face facts all you Moltzen at fullback lovers , he will not make it as a fullback in NRL And if you think that he will "learn on the job " in the toughest form of rugby league in the world you need to sit down and take your meds . If clubs (and I say clubs) continue to play Moltzen at NRL level continually week after week at fullback he won't be in the game within three years .

 

[hooker]

And Ben Barba has issues with the high ball when he is given good bombs to defuse . How you can think that Moltzen is a better support player than MacKinnon is truly beyond me . And you mention that Moltzen learns from his mistakes Titans game Prince puts up a high ball (we lead 14-0 at the time ) and I reckon most SG ball fullbacks would back themselves to catch 90% of the time and he lets bounce and Zillman scores when ball bounces backwards . You could see with the spin on the ball it would either sit up or kick backwards (From experience not foresight) Situation 2 Scores 0-0 Lockyer puts up a bomb that Moltzen refuses to make a play on and Yow Yeh catches and scores . Tell me Vicious how did Moltzen learn quickly or at all . Face facts all you Moltzen at fullback lovers , he will not make it as a fullback in NRL And if you think that he will "learn on the job " in the toughest form of rugby league in the world you need to sit down and take your meds . If clubs (and I say clubs) continue to play Moltzen at NRL level continually week after week at fullback he won't be in the game within three years .

with you again happy.

two weeks in a row same mistake same result. I like Moltzen, but i can only see him on the bench at the moment or replacing brown if wade isn't fit with brown at full back.

Moltzen is good with the potential to be great. But i do not think it is at back.

 

[Vicious]

And Ben Barba has issues with the high ball when he is given good bombs to defuse . How you can think that Moltzen is a better support player than MacKinnon is truly beyond me . And you mention that Moltzen learns from his mistakes Titans game Prince puts up a high ball (we lead 14-0 at the time ) and I reckon most SG ball fullbacks would back themselves to catch 90% of the time and he lets bounce and Zillman scores when ball bounces backwards . You could see with the spin on the ball it would either sit up or kick backwards (From experience not foresight) Situation 2 Scores 0-0 Lockyer puts up a bomb that Moltzen refuses to make a play on and Yow Yeh catches and scores . Tell me Vicious how did Moltzen learn quickly or at all . Face facts all you Moltzen at fullback lovers , he will not make it as a fullback in NRL And if you think that he will "learn on the job " in the toughest form of rugby league in the world you need to sit down and take your meds . If clubs (and I say clubs) continue to play Moltzen at NRL level continually week after week at fullback he won't be in the game within three years .

How is Moltzen a better support player than McKinnon?
Quite easily, I don`t read stats, but i`m certain Moltzen has scored far more tries per game played for the Wests Tigers and i`m also certain he`s made far more line breaks per game played for the Wests Tigers.
I don`t think there`s a hope in the world McKinnon would have scored the try that Moltzen did running inside Robert Lui and as for Ben Barba and problems under the high ball, I agree but would you like him in our side???

That`s my point exactly, the Bulldogs know Ben Barba is small & suspect under the high ball, but they were prepared to play him at the back because they knew they needed his attacking brilliance to ensure they are scoring enough points to win games. The Bulldogs halves aren`t near the same class as ours yet they are the superior attacking football side so far this season, i`ll let you work that one out?

 

[happy_tiger]

Barba as fullback instead of Moltzen as fullback yes . Maybe some people need to understand one thing . Just because you score two tries does not mean you have played well . Lui created the first try all Moltzen had to do was catch the ball and run . Second try any NRL footballer could of scored that try . Moltzen does not create as many breaks with his support play as MacKinnon does as Mackiinon still has a great step and swerve and better hands imo . But you and tiger 05 still have not explained to me why Moltzen is better than MacKinnon or Brown as fullback . Don't get me wrong put Moltzen in centres and Brown at fullback . But end the Moltzen at fullback now . The reason Moltzen won't be jumping at bombs because he will be scared that he lands on the bad leg and hyperentends his knee again .

 

[Vicious]

Barba as fullback instead of Moltzen as fullback yes . Maybe some people need to understand one thing . Just because you score two tries does not mean you have played well . Lui created the first try all Moltzen had to do was catch the ball and run . Second try any NRL footballer could of scored that try . Moltzen does not create as many breaks with his support play as MacKinnon does as Mackiinon still has a great step and swerve and better hands imo . But you and tiger 05 still have not explained to me why Moltzen is better than MacKinnon or Brown as fullback . Don't get me wrong put Moltzen in centres and Brown at fullback . But end the Moltzen at fullback now . The reason Moltzen won't be jumping at bombs because he will be scared that he lands on the bad leg and hyperentends his knee again .

You reckon that`s the reason? Surely he`s been jumping for plenty of bombs under pressure at training before Sheens names him at fullback?
I wouldn`t complain about Moltzen at centre & Mitch Brown at fullback, I`ve mainly been expressing my belief that McKinnon`s injuries have got the better of him, he`s now too slow and that we need to look at alternatives if we are to be a chance of winning the competition and I`ve also been expressing my belief that we are a far more potent attacking outfit with Moltzen and Lui both in the side somewhere.

 

[hooker]

Barba as fullback instead of Moltzen as fullback yes . Maybe some people need to understand one thing . Just because you score two tries does not mean you have played well . Lui created the first try all Moltzen had to do was catch the ball and run . Second try any NRL footballer could of scored that try . Moltzen does not create as many breaks with his support play as MacKinnon does as Mackiinon still has a great step and swerve and better hands imo . But you and tiger 05 still have not explained to me why Moltzen is better than MacKinnon or Brown as fullback . Don't get me wrong put Moltzen in centres and Brown at fullback . But end the Moltzen at fullback now . The reason Moltzen won't be jumping at bombs because he will be scared that he lands on the bad leg and hyperentends his knee again .

You reckon that`s the reason? Surely he`s been jumping for plenty of bombs under pressure at training before Sheens names him at fullback?
I wouldn`t complain about Moltzen at centre & Mitch Brown at fullback, I`ve mainly been expressing my belief that McKinnon`s injuries have got the better of him, he`s now too slow and that we need to look at alternatives if we are to be a chance of winning the competition and I`ve also been expressing my belief that we are a far more potent attacking outfit with Moltzen and Lui both in the side somewhere.

It could just be me but I think Wade's support play has something of Brett Hodgson about it. The line he runs and it just feels a little safer with him back there. There is something to said of player looking to his play makers to support. Moltzon in the side yes, but not in place of Wade.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yes because in training situations you have some control over the situation and the blokes coming at you care if you get hurt . Games are a completely different kettle of fish . Why the has he not jumped for a bomb yet Vicious ??? Without trying to sound like a broken record currently in recovery from ACL surgery the one thing that would scare the buggery out of me would be jumping for a bomb and getting tangled coming down and landing solely on that injured leg and hyperextending it

 

[Vicious]

Yes because in training situations you have some control over the situation and the blokes coming at you care if you get hurt . Games are a completely different kettle of fish . Why the has he not jumped for a bomb yet Vicious ??? Without trying to sound like a broken record currently in recovery from ACL surgery the one thing that would scare the buggery out of me would be jumping for a bomb and getting tangled coming down and landing solely on that injured leg and hyperextending it

It does make sense when you put it like that. It`s a strange one because many of our supporters have been calling him faint hearted and I can`t blame them for it either, but I believe he has the toughness in him to play the game a lot tougher than what he has been so far this season. He`s not on his own either, Blake Ayshford was just starting to win me over, but I was disgusted that he didn`t once attempt to hit the bloke he asked to mark up on (Justin Hodges) with his shoulder. The only way you can become great is getting the better of the greats when you come up against them and that`s certainly not going to happen by arm grabbing when they are running the football!

 

[happy_tiger]

Blake has been the most improved player this season but why did he play left instead of right and why did he talk himself up in the press before the game Was just asking for trouble once he did that Why did Sheens think that Brown with his size not think that he could handle Hodges And if that was an issue play Brown inside of Ellis and have Ellis mark him

 

[Vicious]

Blake has been the most improved player this season but why did he play left instead of right and why did he talk himself up in the press before the game Was just asking for trouble once he did that Why did Sheens think that Brown with his size not think that he could handle Hodges And if that was an issue play Brown inside of Ellis and have Ellis mark him

Why did he not try to rattle Hodges` rib cage is what I want to know?

 

[hybrid_tiger]

There is absolutely no way in hell that Moltzen is a better support player than McKinnon, not a chance.

McKinnon is ALWAYS sniffing around the ruck, whether it be up the guts or our wide. Whenever there is a slight chance of an offload he is always there.

Moltzen runs wide occasionally, go watch him play and tell me when he is ever offering support in the middle of the field. I'll tell you the answer: never. He runs off his bread and butter Marshall and occasionally Lui. And only ever when we are in the attacking zone.

This idea that Moltzen is a superstar attacking player that we must somehow fit into the side at all costs is simply a myth. He is not that good.

 

[happy_tiger]

Blake has been the most improved player this season but why did he play left instead of right and why did he talk himself up in the press before the game Was just asking for trouble once he did that Why did Sheens think that Brown with his size not think that he could handle Hodges And if that was an issue play Brown inside of Ellis and have Ellis mark him

Why did he not try to rattle Hodges` rib cage is what I want to know?

Because as most top line international centres he is not that easy to go put a big hit on Because when you try and line him up like that he will throw that big step and be away and make someone look the fool

 

[happy_tiger]

There is absolutely no way in hell that Moltzen is a better support player than McKinnon, not a chance.

McKinnon is ALWAYS sniffing around the ruck, whether it be up the guts or our wide. Whenever there is a slight chance of an offload he is always there.

Moltzen runs wide occasionally, go watch him play and tell me when he is ever offering support in the middle of the field. I'll tell you the answer: never. He runs off his bread and butter Marshall and occasionally Lui. And only ever when we are in the attacking zone.

This idea that Moltzen is a superstar attacking player that we must somehow fit into the side at all costs is simply a myth. He is not that good.

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