2015 Marquee signing announced

[system]

But that doesn't stop any sponsor of the clubs tipping money into Farah ,Keefy's ,Woods ,Brooks etc as part off their contract which is OUTSIDE the cap

And if Watto (for eg ) is prepared to stick up heaps of dough and not get any recognition we could stick X amount onto a contract of any player

100% wrong. If they sponsor the club it is inside the salary cap. They have to be silent sponsors, like the Broncos and their Thoroughbreds. I dont think you are getting it. These external non-cap sponsors have to be untied, non sponsor, just a random freebie for all intensive purposes. We cannont even keep a full fledged sponsor logo on chest/sleeve.

Brisbane was a unique situation, but is all but buried for now… There were plenty of third party from third parties not registered.

Happy, Third Party has alot to do with who your player manager is these days... Some managers are very articulate in gaining an advantage through corporate partners.

SBW is the Worst I have seen from a registered Third Party Arrangement... Uncle Nick still wields a good wond at NRL HQ!

TW

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[GNR4LIFE]

Sounds like something Sheens would say.

 

[TurnStyle]

I hope you didn't think I was being rude, that wasn't my intention at all. I actually used to view it the same way you did until very recently when the club I support franchised a player. The funny thing is the term Franchise player means pretty much exactly as you said in all other US sports except NFL.

You are correct that a team will usually Franchise a player when the player is holding out for more money or a longer contract. For example in the recent negotiations with Aaron Woods, if this was the NFL and Woods decided he wasn't happy with the contract being offered the Tigers would have had the option of Franchising him and preventing him from signing with another club. This allows the club to then continue negotiations or work to replace the player. This does not happen very often because the cost of doing so is quite high for the team so you are correct in saying that it usually a player the team places a lot of value in.

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Turnstyle, every year the NRL gives each team, well this year $7.55M. What we have done is taken a loan which is payed back over the term by a reduction in our yearly grant, offset by giving NRL independent members absolute voting power until Balmain either forfeits or repays their debt. In essence, we have funds on hand to clear debts and improve our business structure, hoping we can turn a profit to negate the running deficit we will incur in relation to other teams in the competition. So until we square the ledger we are at best running on an NRL grant that covers the salary cap alone, so unless we improve our business model and continue to struggle to turn a profit, every dollar it costs other than paying players ie. staff, facilities, advertisement etc will run us into further debt.

On the Marquee player, all we are given is a maximum we can spend $6.3M, and an allowance of $600K in extra sponsorship that infringes on the club intellectual property, so an add with a player wearing club colours. If we do not have the ability to finance and procure sponsorship up to these limits then we just have to keep within our means.

cochise, not at all!
what i meant by appreciating the manner in which you responded was that it was clear, easily understood and without condescension, which is unfortunately uncommon on a lot of forums.
there was no sarcasm in my reply whatsoever. i honestly really appreciate people taking the time to tell me things like this, and as i said, i am not afraid to ask a stupid question if it means i truly understand the answer.
i have used this method to great effect in my career in particular (eg; i work in mining, and there are SO many acronyms used! if i dont know what one actually stands for, i ask, whereas others will just nod their heads and continue none the wiser).

this is a perfect example: i now have a far greater understanding of both the franchise player in the NFL and also the way the NRL player payments work as well as the financial aspects of an NRL club. awesome! :smiley:

thank you very much to both yourself and black and white.

 

[TurnStyle]

Unless I am severely mistaken, the salary cap is funded by the NRL. So realistically all the players are actually not payed by their clubs, they are payed by the NRL (although I guess they are payed through their clubs, but the money is coming from the NRL)

thanks brotherjim05,
to use a reciprocal situation, in my line of work i am officially employed via a recruitment agency even though i go to work every day for a particular company that is far larger. so with what i do, i work for the smaller company (in NRL, say the tigers) officially, but in essence work for the larger (the NRL).
did that make sense?! i hope so! the main thing is i do fully understand now. :slight_smile:

 

[cochise]

I hope you didn't think I was being rude, that wasn't my intention at all. I actually used to view it the same way you did until very recently when the club I support franchised a player. The funny thing is the term Franchise player means pretty much exactly as you said in all other US sports except NFL.

You are correct that a team will usually Franchise a player when the player is holding out for more money or a longer contract. For example in the recent negotiations with Aaron Woods, if this was the NFL and Woods decided he wasn't happy with the contract being offered the Tigers would have had the option of Franchising him and preventing him from signing with another club. This allows the club to then continue negotiations or work to replace the player. This does not happen very often because the cost of doing so is quite high for the team so you are correct in saying that it usually a player the team places a lot of value in.

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Turnstyle, every year the NRL gives each team, well this year $7.55M. What we have done is taken a loan which is payed back over the term by a reduction in our yearly grant, offset by giving NRL independent members absolute voting power until Balmain either forfeits or repays their debt. In essence, we have funds on hand to clear debts and improve our business structure, hoping we can turn a profit to negate the running deficit we will incur in relation to other teams in the competition. So until we square the ledger we are at best running on an NRL grant that covers the salary cap alone, so unless we improve our business model and continue to struggle to turn a profit, every dollar it costs other than paying players ie. staff, facilities, advertisement etc will run us into further debt.

On the Marquee player, all we are given is a maximum we can spend $6.3M, and an allowance of $600K in extra sponsorship that infringes on the club intellectual property, so an add with a player wearing club colours. If we do not have the ability to finance and procure sponsorship up to these limits then we just have to keep within our means.

cochise, not at all!
what i meant by appreciating the manner in which you responded was that it was clear, easily understood and without condescension, which is unfortunately uncommon on a lot of forums.
there was no sarcasm in my reply whatsoever. i honestly really appreciate people taking the time to tell me things like this, and as i said, i am not afraid to ask a stupid question if it means i truly understand the answer.
i have used this method to great effect in my career in particular (eg; i work in mining, and there are SO many acronyms used! if i dont know what one actually stands for, i ask, whereas others will just nod their heads and continue none the wiser).

this is a perfect example: i now have a far greater understanding of both the franchise player in the NFL and also the way the NRL player payments work as well as the financial aspects of an NRL club. awesome! :smiley:

thank you very much to both yourself and black and white.

Not a problem mate, I'm a huge NFL fan so understand the game fairly well. I actually wouldn't mind the NRL introducing a similar thing to the franchise system that the NFL uses. I think it would be a restraint of trade in Australia though. It allows a team to better plan to overcome the loss of key players.

I understand your adversion to acronyms, I work in Education and it's almost possible to have a conversation without using full words.

 

[Knuckles]

the fans are full of wind Tony… no use signing a marquee player when we havent sorted the wheat from the chaff in our own ranks. We arent even too sure what we have on hand, so how the hell can we look for a star to complement them?

I think we know who's full of wind champion.

 

[Eddie]

Lets remember out last marquee signing was Adam Blair. That turned out to be a club killer. It really was that bad. It stuffed up our whole salary cap and the likes of Fifita were gone. I think marquee needs to be the very best like a Keiren Foran, JWH, Fifita etc

Lets remember we always struggle to attract truly big names. I have no problem with retaining our very best and trying to build a good side. Luckily i think the depth in talent is there to do so in the long term. A marquee would be great, but lets not sign 1 or 2 for the sake of it if it could be another Blair, another cap killer.

 

[wtfl1981]

Still cant accept losing Fafita for Blair…

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[phil1986]

Still cant accept losing Fafita for Blair…

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Easy look back in disbelief now…

However we lost a fringe first grader, with great potential, but a bad attitude and problems off the field.

For the best backrower in the world, the nz vice captain and a established first grader.

At the time sheens thought it was the missing piece of the puzzle, no one thought it would have ended up the way it did.

Sheens also thought he could play without a front row rotation, so??? Who knows

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[innsaneink]

Sheens also played Morris at half for years on end…we all could see it didnt work.

He had no clue half the time

 

[Tim Sheens]

Sheens also played Morris at half for years on end…we all could see it didnt work.

He had no clue half the time

Not to mention someone at fullback that did not want to run the ball back. Although he did not have to run a lot of the time, as he didn't attempt to catch the damn thing in the first instance.

 

[Staks]

So who do you peeps want to sign from outside the club that is considered a marquee ? … Fifita ? Cam Smith ? These guys aren't going to come to the Tigers. Rather spend the money on our own marquee than throw it at some neville... wouldn't want to see the club make the same mistake Sheens.../Humpty made with Blair!!

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[tigermaniac]

So who do you peeps want to sign from outside the club that is considered a marquee ? … Fifita ? Cam Smith ? These guys aren't going to come to the Tigers. Rather spend the money on our own marquee than throw it at some neville... wouldn't want to see the club make the same mistake Sheens.../Humpty made with Blair!!

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Mate you sign a marquee player to help the current crop of talented young players in first grade. This is what it takes to keep them sometimes. This is what will bring out the best in them. It will bring sponsors back, membership back, crowds back. It's quite poor to say we won't sign a marquee player because it didn't work with Blair. Every club has had dud signings in their history. In most cases young players will leave at the chance to play in a side containing elite players. So yes sign someone for the good of the club.

Besides at the time of signing Blair, he wasn't the best of the best. If we look at Melbourne in that instance, Slater, Cronk or Smith would have been a Marquee signing, the Blair signing was a Sheens stuff up.

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[Staks]

I'm all for signing players who would fill a void. The way people carry on though is that they want a superstar. Which player though from outside the club would fit in this category for 2015 ? (that the club would have a realistic chance of signing). A marquee for me would be a rep player and would be in the top 4-5 players in the team.

Fifita wasn't a marquee when Sheens threw him in as part of the Gibbs deal. Now he is. Whose to say a Taupau, Patterson etc won't develop into a marquee signing.

The club doesn't have the cash flow or third party deals of a Roosters to buy a team.

 

[stevetiger]

Fifita wasn't a marquee when Sheens threw him in as part of the Gibbs deal.

This is in my opinion 100% inaccurate. Fifita wasn't a marquee signing for Cronulla but he was playing like one every time he got a chance.

Letting go of Fifita was a terrible decision.

 

[Black_n_White]

Thats it Staks…

we dont even know what we have got, how do you fork out for a marquee to compliment a squad we are yet to truly evaluate. We are doing exactly what we need to be, developing a platform, rebuilding a solid foundation team that once clicks will be able to be taken to the next level by a true marquee.

 

[BrotherJim05]

I would much rather we resign our talent than look for new players. Once we have upgraded all our facilities and have our administration side of things all in order then we can start looking for big name signings.
You never know, Patterson might turn into an absolute gun and then we will need to resign him. Same goes for Tedesco, Nufoluma, Sironen and a bunch of others.

 

[supercoach]

The proof will be in the pudding, after the first six weeks when we have come against the likes of the Rabbits,Eagles and Chooks some people may be having a re think where they sit on this subject. I have said many times to develop the best talent you need to have some elite players around them. For years we have been bolstering our roster with "hope and a prayer signings" and to date not many have gone on to be a real great buy.

You cant sit still, okay I do agree we first have to see what areas we need to fix and that should be obvious after two months of the comp, than we have to target a player or two players and give a real shot a signing them. We may not come up trumps but we have to give it a go.

 

[Knuckles]

A marquee player is a representative / international standard player.
If we want to be a serious premiership contender in coming years we need "marquee" players in out team. You don't get fans thought the gate and you don't win premierships without them. In season 2014 we have two players that I would consider marquee …. Farah and Woods. They won't bring people through the gates like Prince and Marshall did. The hope is Brooks will become marquee and perhaps Todesco.

 

[boonboon]

If I was running the club at this stage I wouldn't be going out blowing a heap of money on a new star at this stage. Firstly you have to consider what position they would be in
Fullback - nope Tedesco is rightly considered a future star
Wing - Nofoaluma, Richards, Koroibete are enough at this stage and who buys marquee wingers
Centre -Chris Lawrence is a marquee centre and Simona was good enough to make the NZ train I. Squad after 10 games and coming through young Seve won the best schoolboy player last year

Halves. - the club and many experts better then anyone on here believe Moses and Brooks are future rep halves - until we know more about this we wouldn't sign a marquee half

Prop - woods and Galloway are origin props and the back up is looking better then ever

Hooker - farah marquee

Back row - the only position we might consider a marquee signing but we have Blair on big money here, Sironen will be a star and we have good depth around it in Fulton, Patterson, etc. I would think the first half of this year will determine the future of our back row but I think they will wait until Blair is off contract the yr after to see where we sit in this position