2018 Grand Final Melbourne v Roosters

[Onthebus]

We aren't in the same market place, hence why TPAs need to go

Same sport, same city. It's exactly the same market place. They just do it better.

They Rort the cap via shonky TPAs

Simple really

Why have they got TPAs and we don't?

Tigers don't have beachside views out at Ctown or Concord, units to give away overlooking Bondi in shonky TPA deals

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm curious all the Melbourne haters in the thread, is it the players or what the club stands for? Because Melbourne might have previously been cheats, but no salary cap issues for a decade. Otherwise it's, what, the way they bend and test the rules?

Well I believe the Roosters bend and test the rules as well, just in a different facet. They are literally superior in every single position to Tigers 1-17 and ran out a team this evening just chock full of rep talent.

Roosters essentially flashed the chequebook last year and picked up two soulless $1M players. They cherry-picked two of arguably the top 5 or 6 players in the entire game to "complement" the team they already had, let go of a few nuffies, and didn't even have to wait more than 1 season to jag the premiership.

If that doesn't upset people as much as Melbourne have done, I don't get why not. I get some people can't choose between the teams, but to be celebratory about the Roosters… I cannot see any possibility how.

The only saving grace was watching Smith and Slater choke on their bitterness, and not to have to put up with a Slater arse-kissing in the post-match.

I totally agree. I dislike the Storm probably because I’m just jealous of their success over such an extended period of time. But the Roosters- I just can’t see how any non-Roosters fan can celebrate their victory knowing how they bought themselves a premiership.

**To me this grand final has shown everything that’s wrong with the game. And the dramas at our club just makes me depressed to the point where I feel like giving up on the NRL altogether.** Maybe the only thing that will give me something to smile about would be if the Roosters get done for cheating the cap. And we all know the likelihood of that…..

Talking to my bro in law after the game I felt similar, thinking about how we as a club fit into it all, how far away we are and just the unevenness of the comp as a whole.
I look at Cronks display and I see something thats been earnt very much, it will go down in history and the Roosters owe Cronk everything…but Cronks pain will subside and he will never have to want for anything ever again as hes earnt the right to be a Politis lackey for the rest of his days, much like Mini, Ricko etc
They as a club however earnt nothing, they bought it...
Unless theres some drastic change in the way the cap/TPAs are ...I cant see us challenging seriously any time soon really...another 05 is a lifetime away

Yeah it's a confusing argument Ink from both sides

If we had built on our successes from 2010/2011 as we really should have , would we ourselves care if we were a continual premiership contender when other sides were continually in the position we are ??

And the next question has to be asked , as a sportsperson you want to be a winner , and this sport is a tough sport , maybe the toughest physically of any sports , if you could take a slight pay cut and be guaranteed a realistic chance of winning a premiership most seasons without having to take as many risks as you would at a lesser club like ours , is it worth it ??

Is it fair the Roosters give up the advantages they have earned ,but when you see the coach give away his premiership ring to a bit part player doesn't that make players want to stay , take a hit in the hip pocket , all it takes is each player to take a 5 k hit in the hip pocket to get one better standard player

You win premierships , you generally look a better player and that can help you pay packet down the track

Yet as you say , who is going to want to watch the same sides in the GF , I believe this GF was the worst viewed GF since the NRL began in 2000

The NRL is still a business as are the teams , no one hands you advantages in the market place because you are substandard in almost every area and are not prepared to change your mentality / location and make a consistent product people want a part of to become viable option

Again I guess it depends what view you take of the situation , view it as a WT's fan or an NRL fan

I think the club's problem still stems from the fact we would settle being the 8th best business in our market , not learning from our mistakes , finding out how to be the best , not settle for 8th best and aim to be the best

Best example in my opinion is the Sharks , they have done every in their powers and even gone beyond the rules to become a NRL power , not many years ago they made us look like superpowers

 

[Snake]

We can moan and groan about the NRL all we like , the reality is OUR club has to decide what it wants for itself , supporters and stakeholders .
The club can not make a decision to play at one home ground as it will upset set a few .., who cares the shackles have to be broken, the other is the training facilities there is this pie in the sky plan for Concord ! When is this coming on line ?. Imo the club is spreading itself to thin , consolidating its area and home ground and putting all there resources into that decision is the only way the club will be a major force .

 

[jirskyr]

“Souless “players is a ridiculous way to refer to two players who want the best deal for their efforts, they are professional sportsmen, who want to be the best , and want to play with the best, at the highest level.p
Too bad that we don’t want have more like them

For starters you seem to forget that we did have 1 of those 2 players.

And yes they are soulless to me. Personal branding, no charisma, weird unpassionate media statements. Maybe Nofo hasn't the same talent but at least I can respect his passion for his team and club before his personal glory.

Cronk and Tedesco are all about Team Cronk and Team Tedesco

Complete drivel, but your entitled to your opinion

And I do remember that Teddy was here and I remember the state this club was in at the time
I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

Tigers brought Tedesco through, every single grade. Roosters contributed ZERO dollars to his development. Tigers developed Tedesco at the expense of other footballers. Think about guys like Papenhuyzen - bloke might not make it, but what if Papenhuyzen becomes a first-grade star? His development at Tigers was down-prioritised for Tedesco.

You talk about state of the club - well the year Tedesco debuted we had just come off two straight finals runs. He broke down and contributed nothing to the 2012 campaign; to cover for that we had to move Moltzen to FB and we were short a halfback all season. Not his fault but he contributed to a poor 2012 season.

Tigers never made the finals any year Tedesco played. Again not entirely his fault, but he was a contributor. And we paid him more than most other players, so we needed more from him.

Tedesco made rep sides whilst playing for Tigers - he didn't need to join a "successful" club to get rep honours.

So ultimately if you are making an argument that we should respect or support a guy who wants to be the best, play with the best, play at the top - I can understand it, but never support it. If all you want to do is play with the best players, then to hell with the salary cap. I won't cop an excuse that Tedesco had to leave to obtain the success he dreamed of - it's those types of comments that still rankle Cronulla fans when thinking about Blake Ferguson.

The true legends of the game are those that take ordinary teams to the finals, that sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of their teammates. Tedesco isn't one of those, sorry. Some people climb the mountain and some take a helicopter.

 

[greatodensraven]

The true legends of the game are those that take ordinary teams to the finals, that sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of their teammates. Tedesco isn't one of those, sorry. Some people climb the mountain and some take a helicopter.

Agree 100%

I'm hoping Brooks turns out to be one of these for us!

 

[tiger05premier]

The true legends of the game are those that take ordinary teams to the finals, that sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of their teammates. Tedesco isn't one of those, sorry. Some people climb the mountain and some take a helicopter.

Agree 100%

I'm hoping Brooks turns out to be one of these for us!

Agree as well

 

[jirskyr]

Best example in my opinion is the Sharks , they have done every in their powers and even gone beyond the rules to become a NRL power , not many years ago they made us look like superpowers

Right, but is that the club or the players making that difference? Broncos for example are by far and away the most financially successful and profitable club in the competition. It is not translating into on-field dominance.

Sharkies were not so far off being insolvent a few years ago and were saved by their development application. Is that the reason they are now successful, or is it just a timing coincidence that the on-field performance started to peak around the same time the club started to lift themselves out of financial dire straits?

Tigers, by all accounts, are doing modestly well financially and are up on many off-field KPIs - members, crowds, merchandise, sponsorship, revenues, profit. So off-field the club is certainly in a better position than we were a few years ago, but not a financial powerhouse by any means.

And Roosters? Well some people are creaming their jeans reading about Politis and his planned property portfolio for the Roosters as his legacy. To be honest I don't exactly know what Politis means, but if you read the Roosters' 2017 annual report they have $57.2M of consolidated assets in property/plants/equipment and $8.8M in investment property. Not the $500M Politis talks of, but I'm no business manager and I don't know where he gets his figures from.

Of competitors - Broncos report property assets of only $22M, though they are in Brisbane and land values are lower. Wests backers are no slouches - Ashfield group have property of $57M, same as Easts, and Wests Campbelltown have property that swamps them both - $80M.

Then look over at Penrith, where the Leagues club holds $215M of property/plant/equipment - 4x as much as Easts.

So of course we should aspire to be more like Politis, because the bloke knows how to spend money on football. But I don't think anyone here can state with any confidence how close or far away from Easts we truly are, from a financial point of view.

 

[gallagher]

Same sport, same city. It's exactly the same market place. They just do it better.

They Rort the cap via shonky TPAs

Simple really

Why have they got TPAs and we don't?

Tigers don't have beachside views out at Ctown or Concord, units to give away overlooking Bondi in shonky TPA deals

Where the chooks gifted the real estate by someone? Or have they bought them via smart management and investment? Do you have to live in Concord or Campbo to play for us?

Woe is us hey? That should be our motto.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

For starters you seem to forget that we did have 1 of those 2 players.

And yes they are soulless to me. Personal branding, no charisma, weird unpassionate media statements. Maybe Nofo hasn't the same talent but at least I can respect his passion for his team and club before his personal glory.

Cronk and Tedesco are all about Team Cronk and Team Tedesco

Complete drivel, but your entitled to your opinion

And I do remember that Teddy was here and I remember the state this club was in at the time
I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

Tigers brought Tedesco through, every single grade. Roosters contributed ZERO dollars to his development. Tigers developed Tedesco at the expense of other footballers. Think about guys like Papenhuyzen - bloke might not make it, but what if Papenhuyzen becomes a first-grade star? His development at Tigers was down-prioritised for Tedesco.

You talk about state of the club - well the year Tedesco debuted we had just come off two straight finals runs. He broke down and contributed nothing to the 2012 campaign; to cover for that we had to move Moltzen to FB and we were short a halfback all season. Not his fault but he contributed to a poor 2012 season.

Tigers never made the finals any year Tedesco played. Again not entirely his fault, but he was a contributor. And we paid him more than most other players, so we needed more from him.

Tedesco made rep sides whilst playing for Tigers - he didn't need to join a "successful" club to get rep honours.

So ultimately if you are making an argument that we should respect or support a guy who wants to be the best, play with the best, play at the top - I can understand it, but never support it. If all you want to do is play with the best players, then to hell with the salary cap. I won't cop an excuse that Tedesco had to leave to obtain the success he dreamed of - it's those types of comments that still rankle Cronulla fans when thinking about Blake Ferguson.

The true legends of the game are those that take ordinary teams to the finals, that sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of their teammates. Tedesco isn't one of those, sorry. Some people climb the mountain and some take a helicopter.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

As for the fact that the Roosters didn’t pay for his development, did we pay for Mattersons development ?? We don’t mind getting him.
If you don’t like the way RL is run talk to the NRL about player development.

At the moment the rules are what they are, and if we thought that we could snaffle a top young player from the club that developed him , we’d be on to it like a rat up a rafter, and you’d be cheering as much as any one here,
I don’t remember seeing you spruiking that we were being unfair, when we were so wrapped in trying to snatchNathan away from the club that developed him,

A bit of selective indignation I think

I would bet that almost any young player that was off contract, and was offered to play with a genuine contender for a premiership and play among the best , and get top money, would do.same thing
So when you next get cheesed off about Teddy going, Just remember how most here ,were almost wetting themselves at the thought of poaching Nathan.
That is , untill we found out that he was re signing with the Panthers, then he lost all popularity with us and the critism of him started

But I haven’t heard of one singleposter, who was offended by the fact that he was supposed to be walking out on the club that had spent all that money on his developement
He had gone through the Penrith juniors @ Rep teamsand was looked at as being the face of the club
Not one poster saying “please Nathan stay with Penrith”.

I’m glad that he decided to stay with Penrith , because it stops all of us having to be aghast at what damage that we would have caused for Penrith if we Poached him
BUT…........that’s different.......Isn’t it

 

[jirskyr]

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

Let's revisit

I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

You are talking expressly of the exact moment when Tedesco left, not a day before, not after? So when he signed for Roosters May 2017, you "doubt that many others players who aspired to play at the top would have stayed either". Ergo, players who did stay, you doubt they aspire to play at the top?

18 of the 30 players who played with Tedesco in 2017 stayed at Tigers in 2018, i.e. are current players.

 

[gallagher]

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

Let's revisit

I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

You are talking expressly of the exact moment when Tedesco left, not a day before, not after? So when he signed for Roosters May 2017, you "doubt that many others players who aspired to play at the top would have stayed either". Ergo, players who did stay, you doubt they aspire to play at the top?

18 of the 30 players who played with Tedesco in 2017 stayed at Tigers in 2018, i.e. are current players.

They all had offers from the chooks did they?

 

[jirskyr]

As for the fact that the Roosters didn’t pay for his development, did we pay for Mattersons development ?? We don’t mind getting him.
If you don’t like the way RL is run talk to the NRL about player development.

At the moment the rules are what they are, and if we thought that we could snaffle a top young player from the club that developed him , we’d be on to it like a rat up a rafter, and you’d be cheering as much as any one here,
I don’t remember seeing you spruiking that we were being unfair, when we were so wrapped in trying to snatchNathan away from the club that developed him,

A bit of selective indignation I think

I would bet that almost any young player that was off contract, and was offered to play with a genuine contender for a premiership and play among the best , and get top money, would do.same thing
So when you next get cheesed off about Teddy going, Just remember how most here ,were almost wetting themselves at the thought of poaching Nathan.
That is , untill we found out that he was re signing with the Panthers, then he lost all popularity with us and the critism of him started

But I haven’t heard of one singleposter, who was offended by the fact that he was supposed to be walking out on the club that had spent all that money on his developement
He had gone through the Penrith juniors @ Rep teamsand was looked at as being the face of the club
Not one poster saying “please Nathan stay with Penrith”.

I’m glad that he decided to stay with Penrith , because it stops all of us having to be aghast at what damage that we would have caused for Penrith if we Poached him
BUT…........that’s different.......Isn’t it

Aren't you the Lady Justice of player transfers - since when did fairness and equality come into the conversation? I am not the purveyor of NRL transfer impartiality, I am a mad Wests Tigers supporter.

Of course I usually don't bat an eyelid about other clubs trying to sign each other's players. I don't support other teams! But frankly, I do find it distasteful when "marquee" clubs are able to prise footballers away from struggling clubs. I respect players who stick it out at struggling clubs, to make them better, rather than joining the high-flyers.

That's one of the reasons I can never really hate Melbourne, because they don't rip off other people's rosters, they usually make astute recruitment decisions and develop their own. It's a reason I can identify with Souths, because they have been losing quality players to richer clubs for a long time, and the Roosters are their arch-nemesis for precisely this reason.

Roosters are the modern-day Manly, and the distaste for the Silvertail Sea Eagles still prevails even some 4 decades later. For Tedesco to leave Tigers for Roosters, of all clubs, is offensive to me. Glenn Morrison is still a marked man for old Balmain supporters and he basically acted the same way as Tedesco has.

So on that matter I actually do respect Nathan Cleary's decision to stay at Panthers. They are paying him a billion dollars for the privilege, but I can respect that he didn't want to leave his club and I'm both not fussed and not upset that he didn't come here.

The difference between Tedesco and Matterson, as you have raised, is that we comprehensively outbid Roosters for Matterson's signature (I assume) and he is not a marquee or pillar asset for Easts. Hard to get cranky at a bloke who leaves for a substantially stronger offer from another club - I wouldn't begrudge any player that opportunity.

And anyway, Matterson isn't even a Roosters junior, they signed him from Parramatta NYC.

 

[jirskyr]

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

Let's revisit

I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

You are talking expressly of the exact moment when Tedesco left, not a day before, not after? So when he signed for Roosters May 2017, you "doubt that many others players who aspired to play at the top would have stayed either". Ergo, players who did stay, you doubt they aspire to play at the top?

18 of the 30 players who played with Tedesco in 2017 stayed at Tigers in 2018, i.e. are current players.

They all had offers from the chooks did they?

I fail to see the relevance.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Complete drivel, but your entitled to your opinion

And I do remember that Teddy was here and I remember the state this club was in at the time
I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

Tigers brought Tedesco through, every single grade. Roosters contributed ZERO dollars to his development. Tigers developed Tedesco at the expense of other footballers. Think about guys like Papenhuyzen - bloke might not make it, but what if Papenhuyzen becomes a first-grade star? His development at Tigers was down-prioritised for Tedesco.

You talk about state of the club - well the year Tedesco debuted we had just come off two straight finals runs. He broke down and contributed nothing to the 2012 campaign; to cover for that we had to move Moltzen to FB and we were short a halfback all season. Not his fault but he contributed to a poor 2012 season.

Tigers never made the finals any year Tedesco played. Again not entirely his fault, but he was a contributor. And we paid him more than most other players, so we needed more from him.

Tedesco made rep sides whilst playing for Tigers - he didn't need to join a "successful" club to get rep honours.

So ultimately if you are making an argument that we should respect or support a guy who wants to be the best, play with the best, play at the top - I can understand it, but never support it. If all you want to do is play with the best players, then to hell with the salary cap. I won't cop an excuse that Tedesco had to leave to obtain the success he dreamed of - it's those types of comments that still rankle Cronulla fans when thinking about Blake Ferguson.

The true legends of the game are those that take ordinary teams to the finals, that sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of their teammates. Tedesco isn't one of those, sorry. Some people climb the mountain and some take a helicopter.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

**As for the fact that the Roosters didn’t pay for his development, did we pay for Mattersons development ?? We don’t mind getting him.**
If you don’t like the way RL is run talk to the NRL about player development.

At the moment the rules are what they are, and if we thought that we could snaffle a top young player from the club that developed him , we’d be on to it like a rat up a rafter, and you’d be cheering as much as any one here,
I don’t remember seeing you spruiking that we were being unfair, when we were so wrapped in trying to snatchNathan away from the club that developed him,

A bit of selective indignation I think

I would bet that almost any young player that was off contract, and was offered to play with a genuine contender for a premiership and play among the best , and get top money, would do.same thing
So when you next get cheesed off about Teddy going, Just remember how most here ,were almost wetting themselves at the thought of poaching Nathan.
That is , untill we found out that he was re signing with the Panthers, then he lost all popularity with us and the critism of him started

But I haven’t heard of one singleposter, who was offended by the fact that he was supposed to be walking out on the club that had spent all that money on his developement
He had gone through the Penrith juniors @ Rep teamsand was looked at as being the face of the club
Not one poster saying “please Nathan stay with Penrith”.

I’m glad that he decided to stay with Penrith , because it stops all of us having to be aghast at what damage that we would have caused for Penrith if we Poached him
BUT…........that’s different.......Isn’t it

Can we assume Matterson no longer has aspirations of playing at the top now he’s with us?

 

[gallagher]

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

Let's revisit

I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

You are talking expressly of the exact moment when Tedesco left, not a day before, not after? So when he signed for Roosters May 2017, you "doubt that many others players who aspired to play at the top would have stayed either". Ergo, players who did stay, you doubt they aspire to play at the top?

18 of the 30 players who played with Tedesco in 2017 stayed at Tigers in 2018, i.e. are current players.

They all had offers from the chooks did they?

I fail to see the relevance.

Well the 18 who stayed may aspire to play at the top but didnt stay here because of that. They mostly stayed due to no other choice. You think someone like MCK would be here if the chooks came knocking?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

As for the fact that the Roosters didn’t pay for his development, did we pay for Mattersons development ?? We don’t mind getting him.
If you don’t like the way RL is run talk to the NRL about player development.

At the moment the rules are what they are, and if we thought that we could snaffle a top young player from the club that developed him , we’d be on to it like a rat up a rafter, and you’d be cheering as much as any one here,
I don’t remember seeing you spruiking that we were being unfair, when we were so wrapped in trying to snatchNathan away from the club that developed him,

A bit of selective indignation I think

I would bet that almost any young player that was off contract, and was offered to play with a genuine contender for a premiership and play among the best , and get top money, would do.same thing
So when you next get cheesed off about Teddy going, Just remember how most here ,were almost wetting themselves at the thought of poaching Nathan.
That is , untill we found out that he was re signing with the Panthers, then he lost all popularity with us and the critism of him started

But I haven’t heard of one singleposter, who was offended by the fact that he was supposed to be walking out on the club that had spent all that money on his developement
He had gone through the Penrith juniors @ Rep teamsand was looked at as being the face of the club
Not one poster saying “please Nathan stay with Penrith”.

I’m glad that he decided to stay with Penrith , because it stops all of us having to be aghast at what damage that we would have caused for Penrith if we Poached him :laughing:
BUT…........that’s different.......Isn’t it

Aren't you the Lady Justice of player transfers - since when did fairness and equality come into the conversation? I am not the purveyor of NRL transfer impartiality, I am a mad Wests Tigers supporter.

Of course I usually don't bat an eyelid about other clubs trying to sign each other's players. I don't support other teams! But frankly, I do find it distasteful when "marquee" clubs are able to prise footballers away from struggling clubs. I respect players who stick it out at struggling clubs, to make them better, rather than joining the high-flyers.
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1…....... Funny that you find some things distastful when a top team" prises" a player from a struggling club, even though I wasnt aware that The Roosters were prising anyone
So are you saying that its only wrong , when The Roosters buy a player who'se off contract and on the open market
But If it was us, itd be ok ...........If it was Souths doing it, Thats Ok............ Melbourne are ok to do it.... thats ok
Any more?
As I said before, Selective indignation
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That's one of the reasons I can never really hate Melbourne, because they don't rip off other people's rosters, they usually make astute recruitment decisions and develop their own. It's a reason I can identify with Souths, because they have been losing quality players to richer clubs for a long time, and the Roosters are their arch-nemesis for precisely this reason.

Roosters are the modern-day Manly, and the distaste for the Silvertail Sea Eagles still prevails even some 4 decades later. For Tedesco to leave Tigers for Roosters, of all clubs, is offensive to me. Glenn Morrison is still a marked man for old Balmain supporters and he basically acted the same way as Tedesco has.
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2...........So your now saying that if Tedesco Had gone to the dragons OR Newcastle for an example , you'd be fine with that.?
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So on that matter I actually do respect Nathan Cleary's decision to stay at Panthers. They are paying him a billion dollars for the privilege, but I can respect that he didn't want to leave his club and I'm both not fussed and not upset that he didn't come here.

The difference between Tedesco and Matterson, as you have raised, is that we comprehensively outbid Roosters for Matterson's signature (I assume) and he is not a marquee or pillar asset for Easts. Hard to get cranky at a bloke who leaves for a substantially stronger offer from another club - I wouldn't begrudge any player that opportunity.
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3...........One second you are saying that you assume that we comprehensively out bid the Roosters.
Then your saying, that he left the Roosters because of a substantially stronger offer.'
So, nothing like having a bet each way

Doesnt" I assume": mean that you really have no idea, not that it matters anyway
Anyway IM glad that you didnt care if Cleary came here or not, You'd be about the only one that didnt.
If...thats correct

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

Let's revisit

I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

You are talking expressly of the exact moment when Tedesco left, not a day before, not after? So when he signed for Roosters May 2017, you "doubt that many others players who aspired to play at the top would have stayed either". Ergo, players who did stay, you doubt they aspire to play at the top?

18 of the 30 players who played with Tedesco in 2017 stayed at Tigers in 2018, i.e. are current players.

Glad you can tell me what day im talkiing about,, do you have the time as well
I was talking about around that time, I should got you to write my post

I was referring to the fact that there werent many players that were at that level that would have stayed
and knocked back that offer
Can you tell me who else was offered the same contract

 

[jirskyr]

What a silly indictment - that the current Tigers players don't aspire to play at the top, don't want to be the best? That is what you are saying.

You certainly like putting words in other people’s mouth
I don’t think I mentioned current players at all,

Let's revisit

I doubt that many other players that aspired to play at the top, would have stayed here either

You are talking expressly of the exact moment when Tedesco left, not a day before, not after? So when he signed for Roosters May 2017, you "doubt that many others players who aspired to play at the top would have stayed either". Ergo, players who did stay, you doubt they aspire to play at the top?

18 of the 30 players who played with Tedesco in 2017 stayed at Tigers in 2018, i.e. are current players.

Glad you can tell me what day im talkiing about,, do you have the time as well
I was talking about around that time, I should got you to write my post

I was referring to the fact that there werent many players that were at that level that would have stayed
and knocked back that offer
Can you tell me who else was offered the same contract

Well now you are speculating on the content of Tedesco's offer and whether or not other similar players would have taken it. Pointless speculation in my opinion. The point is Tedesco left and you can't defend it by supposing what other players may or may not have done in his place.

I get that you feel he was justified to go to a "better" club, so that's fine and we've had a good discussion about it. I don't agree.

What's even worse is, beyond Tedesco the player, this season has simply validated the Roosters' approach to spend mega bucks on top-tier footballers. They signed 2 of the top 4 or 5 players in the entire game in 2017, added them to an already strong roster and walked away with the premiership. Happy days, what a positive outcome for the game. I can only hope they sign a few more awesome footballers like Munster and Taupau and really give the middle finger to everyone else.

 

[jirskyr]

1…....... Funny that you find some things distastful when a top team" prises" a player from a struggling club, even though I wasnt aware that The Roosters were prising anyone
So are you saying that its only wrong , when The Roosters buy a player who'se off contract and on the open market
But If it was us, itd be ok ...........If it was Souths doing it, Thats Ok............ Melbourne are ok to do it.... thats ok
Any more?
As I said before, Selective indignation

2...........So your now saying that if Tedesco Had gone to the dragons OR Newcastle for an example , you'd be fine with that.?

3...........One second you are saying that you assume that we comprehensively out bid the Roosters.
Then your saying, that he left the Roosters because of a substantially stronger offer.'
So, nothing like having a bet each way

Doesnt" I assume": mean that you really have no idea, not that it matters anyway
Anyway IM glad that you didnt care if Cleary came here or not, You'd be about the only one that didnt.
If...thats correct

1) Well it's not exactly selective indignation. If Souths or Melbourne had a track record of pinching good players off other clubs, they'd come under fire too. Like I said, people didn't start to hate Manly for no reason, they did it because Manly started pinching good players off poorer clubs.

But regardless I'd challenge that every fan has some selective indignation in regards to NRL, just depends on your fancy. They don't call us one-eyed supporters for no reason.

2) If Tedesco had gone to Dragons or Knights… less unpalatable than Roosters, sure. It's like Ponga to Newcastle - they are a battling club and he is a tremendous young talent; a real shining light for their fans and their club. If Ponga had gone to Broncos or Roosters, I would have puked in my own mouth.

3) Ooh you got me there, good technicality. Yes technically I don't know exactly what brought Matterson to Tigers, I assume it must be the continued lack of success and desire to be a in a team of losers, to paraphrase GNR.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

We can moan and groan about the NRL all we like , the reality is OUR club has to decide what it wants for itself , supporters and stakeholders .
The club can not make a decision to play at one home ground as it will upset set a few .., who cares the shackles have to be broken, the other is the training facilities there is this pie in the sky plan for Concord ! When is this coming on line ?. Imo the club is spreading itself to thin , consolidating its area and home ground and putting all there resources into that decision is the only way the club will be a major force .

Agree with this …. the facts are very much that we live in the environment where it’s bleeding obvious that there are just too many inner city teams in Sydney and that must change. WT have a OUT and a advantage which is staring them in the face but they refuse to take. It’s because of our history and our generation of administrators and supporters which are very reluctant to accept ...... that permanent move to outer west is our future.
Until we focus on that move in all it’s entirety I’m afraid we will be stuck in our little time warp and success will be very hard to achieve.