2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[innsaneink]

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

 

[Needaname]

FYI is 10:30pm in the UK.
If there was to be an announcement that Madge partakes in. It’s likely to occur 10-11 hours from now.
I’m sure he would like to get it out of the way tomorrow morning ‘UK time’ so that he can focus the media back onto the test match that’s later in the evening. ‘12:30am EST on Fox league if anyone is keen’

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

perfectly played by Gould ,but a contract is worth zero ,so if it does not work out Cleary will be be shown the door yet again .Wests got the better out of this deal .we got a coach with ability,not a mr 40 percenter.Cleary is now owned by Gould ,Gus Gould’s PUPPET

 

[Telltails]

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

All about "the Clearys" happy for Penrith to deal with it. Lets see how long before Gus loses it over the club being all about the Clearys.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

If we don't get compo then we should have negotiated harder. It's as much about sending a message that we can't just be raided at the leisure of cashed up clubs that take a liking to our coach as it is about the finances. We need to push for both cash and a public acknowledgment that compensation was paid (without the amount needing to be made public).

We only agreed to let him go once we had a better option locked up. I think this sends a good message that it was still done on our terms. We never got shafted by Penrith here we got shafted by Ivan the terrible. When he couldn’t get a release to go to the panthers immediately he signed with them for 2021\. I think Pascoe and Go have handled it as good as can be with the cards Cleary dealt them.

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

They just lobbed a grenade our way , and sat back until we did what was inevitable for us.
Some people don’t like Gus, but he puts his club first, and makes things happen in the best way for the club,
I wish that we had someone more like that ,rather than the soppy lot that we have, who just lurch from one situation to another

All Penrith wanted was Nathan Clearys signature. To get his signature they had to sign his dad for 5 years at probably $1million a year. The same guy that Gus got rid of a few years ago because he deemed him not good enough to win them a premiership. A coach with below 50% winning record. Sounds like you would be happy for Ivan to be here for the next 2 years just to show Gus he can’t win. Is that the best thing for our club? Hell no. They got rid of Cleary got us a better coach and got some compo. Job well done I say.

 

[Needaname]

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

All about "the Clearys" happy for Penrith to deal with it. Lets see how long before Gus loses it over the club being all about the Clearys.

Gus will get the sack from Penrith before the Cleary’s do.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Re the compo…...we will never know, the terms of Cleary’s release will have a very strict and binding confidentiality clause.

I say there has been compo paid, other wise what would delay the release till today or when ever

Was about to post the same thing.. But that won't stop some saying they know this or otherwise..

I feel this drama has really lowered the standard of this forum too… Quite a defining moment in this places history, it's going down the crapper

Is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

I didn’t think we needed people’s permisison to “get up in arms” over the obvious situation that was unfolding. Thank you though for clarifying that for me. So today the speculation is legitimate , but previously when almost every organisation was running with Cleary wants out, madge or Bennett coming here, Seibold to souths…etc.. it was a problem for some. Makes alot of sense, thanks again for explaining when it’s okay to believe the speculation and when it isn’t.

I don't know if "not getting it" is your profession, you are that good at it.

I didn't say permission, you don't need my permission to do anything, I said it's pointless. I believe it's pointless getting too excited about all the different theories, and let's be honest there's been one thousand different claims about this topic in the last 3 months. When there's so much misinformation, you are better off waiting for something official.

However when 99% of the media outlets align and EVERY journo is saying Tigers-Madge-Penrith-Cleary deal is almost done Thurs-Fri-Sat, then you can start to consider that it is likely to be true. Not official, but probable.

Same thing happened with Nathan Cleary's signature, there was all this crap, then NRL.com, SMH, Telecrap all started running the same story that a deal had been done - at that time you can assume the consensus means it has indeed been done.

No buddy I do get it, I get it very well. You on the other hand not so much I think. 99% of the media reported Ivan Cleary meeting with Penrith. 99% of the media reported Cleary asking for a release. 99% of the media reported Cleary signing with Penrith from 2021\. 99% of the media reported we were in talks with Madge/Bennett. It’s been a consistent story the media has been running with since day one. A few on here ran with it by using common sense. You now want to jump on board so good for you. But this has been the story since day dot, not sure what different theories you were talking about , but if it makes you feel better then fantastic.

Not sure where you have been during all of this, but if you don’t believe that there was a continuos barrage of different theories by all the so-called journalists , commentators, and the public.
You must have been off the Planet,
Brent Read has ran so many guesses that he must have had trouble in remembering just what what his official opinion actually was..

The silliest Theory, was from the crowd that were convinced that Gold Bar Benny was on his way to Concord( or wherever our Home is this week)
That was never going to happen, but that story was being pushed all over the place

We were only ever linked to 2 coaches Bennett and Madge. What planet are you living on? What different theories are you talking about. It was one consistent story. Ivan meets with Penrith, asks for a release, Tigers say no, Cleary signs for 2021, tigers speak to Bennett/Madge, madge signs, Cleary released. Don’t try to re write history now.

 

[Telltails]

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

Five year deal if speculation is correct?
I dont think they wanted that….no one wants that.
Except coaches/players
Looks like the Clearys got exactly what they wanted

That said, this all puts all our seasons a bit behind the pack with a new coach coming in after the start of pre season

All about "the Clearys" happy for Penrith to deal with it. Lets see how long before Gus loses it over the club being all about the Clearys.

Gus will get the sack from Penrith before the Cleary’s do.

And wont that cause some drama

 

[jirskyr]

If we don't get compo then we should have negotiated harder. It's as much about sending a message that we can't just be raided at the leisure of cashed up clubs that take a liking to our coach as it is about the finances. We need to push for both cash and a public acknowledgment that compensation was paid (without the amount needing to be made public).

We only agreed to let him go once we had a better option locked up. I think this sends a good message that it was still done on our terms. We never got shafted by Penrith here we got shafted by Ivan the terrible. When he couldn’t get a release to go to the panthers immediately he signed with them for 2021\. I think Pascoe and Go have handled it as good as can be with the cards Cleary dealt them.

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

They just lobbed a grenade our way , and sat back until we did what was inevitable for us.
Some people don’t like Gus, but he puts his club first, and makes things happen in the best way for the club,
I wish that we had someone more like that ,rather than the soppy lot that we have, who just lurch from one situation to another

I still struggle to believe/understand that signing a father coach and son player, the coach you formerly fired, to a $10M 5 year deal is what Penrith wanted.

It could be a masterstroke, but there's a very good chance it could be a total catastrophe. Imagine Penrith trying to extricate themselves from parts of this deal in 2-3 years.

For example what if Ivan gets no results but Nathan is the Australian halfback? Panthers have become used to making finals recently, but you first the rep halfback's Dad for a second time? What if Nathan's form bombs without Maloney and Ivan keeps him in firsts for too long? What if Jerome Luai leaves and becomes a superstar elsewhere?

 

[earl]

If we don't get compo then we should have negotiated harder. It's as much about sending a message that we can't just be raided at the leisure of cashed up clubs that take a liking to our coach as it is about the finances. We need to push for both cash and a public acknowledgment that compensation was paid (without the amount needing to be made public).

We only agreed to let him go once we had a better option locked up. I think this sends a good message that it was still done on our terms. We never got shafted by Penrith here we got shafted by Ivan the terrible. When he couldn’t get a release to go to the panthers immediately he signed with them for 2021\. I think Pascoe and Go have handled it as good as can be with the cards Cleary dealt them.

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

They just lobbed a grenade our way , and sat back until we did what was inevitable for us.
Some people don’t like Gus, but he puts his club first, and makes things happen in the best way for the club,
I wish that we had someone more like that ,rather than the soppy lot that we have, who just lurch from one situation to another

I still struggle to believe/understand that signing a father coach and son player, the coach you formerly fired, to a $10M 5 year deal is what Penrith wanted.

It could be a masterstroke, but there's a very good chance it could be a total catastrophe. Imagine Penrith trying to extricate themselves from parts of this deal in 2-3 years.

For example what if Ivan gets no results but Nathan is the Australian halfback? Panthers have become used to making finals recently, but you first the rep halfback's Dad for a second time? What if Nathan's form bombs without Maloney and Ivan keeps him in firsts for too long? What if Jerome Luai leaves and becomes a superstar elsewhere?

It's risky isn't it. Penrith have a quality team all over the park though. Maloney may leave and Luai may get the 6 spot.

We don't have the same roster that Penrith has and signing the Clearys could have been disastrous for us.

 

[innsaneink]

Re the compo…...we will never know, the terms of Cleary’s release will have a very strict and binding confidentiality clause.

I say there has been compo paid, other wise what would delay the release till today or when ever

Was about to post the same thing.. But that won't stop some saying they know this or otherwise..

I feel this drama has really lowered the standard of this forum too… Quite a defining moment in this places history, it's going down the crapper

Is the pot calling the kettle black.

…. Didn't take long for my point to be proved

 

[jirskyr]

Wait a second I don't think anyone disagrees Ivan is the one who caused all this has no integrity left and will go down as the most despised Coach in our history…

Yet part of the strategy to keep him was an extension offered not yet deserved and that's good Management.. extraordinary lenghts indeed..

Yes I agree with this. Offering him an extension to test his motives.
Why couldn’t we just sit him down and talk to him straight, ‘look I know you want to go.
Is it imperative it’s right now or do you want to see out what you’ve started.
I’m happy to meet in the middle and let’s walk away with our reputation and dignity in check and call 2019 the final hurrah?’

You mean like professionals…where is the fun in that...agreed btw.

but lets try reverse pshyc..1st..

Yeah, good one.

This from an extract regarding seibold to broncos and quotes from Shane Richardson below.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a firm administrator like that.

The Rabbitohs tabled Seibold a contract extension back in June, but with the rookie coach interviewing for the Broncos role, and therefore stalling on the offer, it was pulled.

“I always genuinely though that he’d stick with us, it didn’t overly concern me,” Richardson said.

“But when it became clearer and clearer that he wouldn’t be with us, we had to (move on).

“We’re a great club, we don’t want to be second best to anybody.”

Why is that firm and how is that any different from Tigers?

Tigers thought genuinely Ivan would stay, and when it became clearer and clearer that Penrith were offering him a deal, we had to move on.

What I would find alarming as a Souths fan is that Richo says he was confident Seibold would stay, and wasn't concerned by the Brisbane role. He either totally misread Seibold's intentions or underestimated the lure/power of the Broncos job.

Tigers at least didn't underestimate Ivan or Penrith. We took legal action as soon as rumours of a possible move surfaced, then we maneuvered to ID a new coach whilst forcing Penrith into a payout. The only person we underestimated was Nathan, though nobody can say how confident we were of ever signing him.

 

[tigerap]

We only agreed to let him go once we had a better option locked up. I think this sends a good message that it was still done on our terms. We never got shafted by Penrith here we got shafted by Ivan the terrible. When he couldn’t get a release to go to the panthers immediately he signed with them for 2021\. I think Pascoe and Go have handled it as good as can be with the cards Cleary dealt them.

Penrith, and Gus got exactly what they wanted, we were perfectly outplayed by them, and how you could say that we never got shafted by them is beyond belief,

They just lobbed a grenade our way , and sat back until we did what was inevitable for us.
Some people don’t like Gus, but he puts his club first, and makes things happen in the best way for the club,
I wish that we had someone more like that ,rather than the soppy lot that we have, who just lurch from one situation to another

I still struggle to believe/understand that signing a father coach and son player, the coach you formerly fired, to a $10M 5 year deal is what Penrith wanted.

It could be a masterstroke, but there's a very good chance it could be a total catastrophe. Imagine Penrith trying to extricate themselves from parts of this deal in 2-3 years.

For example what if Ivan gets no results but Nathan is the Australian halfback? Panthers have become used to making finals recently, but you first the rep halfback's Dad for a second time? What if Nathan's form bombs without Maloney and Ivan keeps him in firsts for too long? What if Jerome Luai leaves and becomes a superstar elsewhere?

It's risky isn't it. Penrith have a quality team all over the park though. Maloney may leave and Luai may get the 6 spot.

We don't have the same roster that Penrith has and signing the Clearys could have been disastrous for us.

Exactly….not sold that Nathan is a $1m player....we didn’t need him if we were keeping Brooks

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Re the compo…...we will never know, the terms of Cleary’s release will have a very strict and binding confidentiality clause.

I say there has been compo paid, other wise what would delay the release till today or when ever

Was about to post the same thing.. But that won't stop some saying they know this or otherwise..

I feel this drama has really lowered the standard of this forum too… Quite a defining moment in this places history, it's going down the crapper

Is the pot calling the kettle black.

…. Didn't take long for my point to be proved

Your having major arguments with people in 2 different threads yet your talking about the standard in the forum. You need to get of your high horse. Lots of people can make that comment about the standards and you are most definitely not one of them.

 

[TrueTiger]

Well,well forumers,I see disappointment,hatred and much anger in this thread toward Ivan,understandably so…However as I said ages ago,this is the NRL and anything is possible...Although much of the media talk etc had many different outcomes it finally appears that we may have Maguire coaching our great team..My opinion on his employment with us is,give him a fair go at trying to re establish and clean up the mess,prepare for 2019 and hopefully help recruit players we need in particular positions..

My main concern in regards to this thread is the constant sniping and criticism of people who cast an opinion,granted many have only let emotions get in the way of a good debate and if it didn't suit their opinion they would get aggressive and nasty and really what for?

I will put my head on the block and say that NONE of us really know how Pascoe and Ivans relationship is,what is written in the final release papers and when all this has been started behind closed doors,most of it will be confidential...
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I did have faith in Ivan and Iam disappointed that he has stopped the bus,however as I said before it is his career and his life,he can choose to do as he wishes when he wishes,as far as the father son combination will go,blood is thicker than water and if he wants to coach his son in one of the biggest arenas in the world sobeit and good luck to both of them...
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I fully support Madges appointment and will continue to support my team and club as I have before... :smiley:

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

Who cares ,,The Clearys are Penrith problem now ..

 

[supercoach]

Cleary did a very good job in his short time with us, to get us into ninth position with the players he had at his disposal was a very good effort and if not for his sneaky dealings most of would be very happy for him to be still in charge….but that’s all history now

It would appear Madge the Man is our new boss, so I say give him a go, don’t expect miracles in 2019 and don’t be surprised if we slip a peg or two, let him have a chance like Cleary to buy a few players and than be judged.

Time to put all the negativity over Clearygate to bed and start trying to get some positive vibes.

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

Yes I agree with this. Offering him an extension to test his motives.
Why couldn’t we just sit him down and talk to him straight, ‘look I know you want to go.
Is it imperative it’s right now or do you want to see out what you’ve started.
I’m happy to meet in the middle and let’s walk away with our reputation and dignity in check and call 2019 the final hurrah?’

You mean like professionals…where is the fun in that...agreed btw.

but lets try reverse pshyc..1st..

Yeah, good one.

This from an extract regarding seibold to broncos and quotes from Shane Richardson below.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a firm administrator like that.

The Rabbitohs tabled Seibold a contract extension back in June, but with the rookie coach interviewing for the Broncos role, and therefore stalling on the offer, it was pulled.

“I always genuinely though that he’d stick with us, it didn’t overly concern me,” Richardson said.

“But when it became clearer and clearer that he wouldn’t be with us, we had to (move on).

“We’re a great club, we don’t want to be second best to anybody.”

Why is that firm and how is that any different from Tigers?

Tigers thought genuinely Ivan would stay, and when it became clearer and clearer that Penrith were offering him a deal, we had to move on.

What I would find alarming as a Souths fan is that Richo says he was confident Seibold would stay, and wasn't concerned by the Brisbane role. He either totally misread Seibold's intentions or underestimated the lure/power of the Broncos job.

Tigers at least didn't underestimate Ivan or Penrith. We took legal action as soon as rumours of a possible move surfaced, then we maneuvered to ID a new coach whilst forcing Penrith into a payout. The only person we underestimated was Nathan, though nobody can say how confident we were of ever signing him.

I think the fact Nathan didn’t want to come to West’s reflects Ivan’s opinion on our club .otherwise I’m sure daddy could have sold west’s to his son

 

[Spud_Murphy]

If we don't get compo then we should have negotiated harder. It's as much about sending a message that we can't just be raided at the leisure of cashed up clubs that take a liking to our coach as it is about the finances. We need to push for both cash and a public acknowledgment that compensation was paid (without the amount needing to be made public).

Agreed!