2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[Harvey]

Sign Maguire for 3 years, and then if the Broncos are interested, he can just sign with them and walk out like Cleary is planning to.

I would hold Cleary for 19 for 2 reasons:
- can chase Wayne for 2020
- out of spite & to stuff Penrith's plans

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Sign Maguire for 3 years, and then if the Broncos are interested, he can just sign with them and walk out like Cleary is planning to.

I would hold Cleary for 19 for 2 reasons:
- can chase Wayne for 2020
- out of spite & to stuff Penrith's plans

Better still, make the Panthers pay whatever is required to get Bennett to the WTs in 2019 including what the Broncos require,

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Penrith won’t stretch themselves. I don’t think they mind waiting. Nathan signing has made getting Ivan sooner not as important imo.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Penrith won’t stretch themselves. I don’t think they mind waiting. Nathan signing has made getting Ivan sooner not as important imo.

They won't torpedo a year while their premiership window is open. Now they've shelled on Cleary they will feel the pinch on the rest of the playing group as the years go on. They will be doing everything to get Ivan there for 2019\. Ciraldo is not the answer and Gould won't take it upon himself as then there's no one to blame if it goes arse up.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Penrith won’t stretch themselves. I don’t think they mind waiting. Nathan signing has made getting Ivan sooner not as important imo.

Yes and no, I think they feel the next year or two is their best opportunity for a premiership. Gus and co are feeling the pressure of expectation.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Sign Maguire for 3 years, and then if the Broncos are interested, he can just sign with them and walk out like Cleary is planning to.

I would hold Cleary for 19 for 2 reasons:
- can chase Wayne for 2020
- out of spite & to stuff Penrith's plans

Good idea in part

Sign Maguire for 3 years
If Broncos want him we can do a trade of sorts
A player for Maguire's release (Jet ?)
We can still sign Bennett because he is off contract
And Wayne can also bring TPJ and Oats ( both off contract)
Hell bring Boyd as well

In the process get rid of our disgraceful coach Cleary

 

[vlad]

https://www.5thtackle.com/2018/10/13/bronco-star-to-follow-wayne-bennett-if-he-departs-brisbane/

**Bronco Star To Follow Wayne Bennett If He Departs Brisbane.**

October 13, 2018 <the5thtackle@hotmail.com>As it stands, Wayne Bennett will finish up as Brisbane Broncos coach at the end of the 2019 season after the club decided not to extend his contract, but it is understood he won’t be alone.

Bennett, who has coached the Broncos in two stints and won six premierships with the club, is contracted until the end of next season and had initially hoped to extended his tenure beyond 2019.

But discussions with Broncos chairman Karl Morris saw Bennett agree he would see out his current contract and finish in what will be his 26th season with the club.

Darius Boyd followed Bennett when he departed for the Dragons, Newcastle and then back to the Broncos. Now it is believed that out-of-contract winger Corey Oates will do the same and follow Bennett where ever lands for 2019 and beyond. At this stage, It is understood he will sign a 1-year contract and will stay a Bronco and move elsewhere when Wayne departs.

But rumours have placed the super coach joining the Wests Tigers in 2019 and if this is the case, it is believed Corey Oates have informed Bronco officials that he will be joining his mentor.

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge here, with a lot of factors to be played out. Watch this space.

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[goldcoast_tiger]

TPJ rumoured to be signing only one year with broncos

Maybe Bennett using him as a bargaining tool in negotiations with tiger's

You keep IC for 1 year and I will bring TPJ with me in 2020 as i just want 1 last year with broncos

How many times does Bennett have to say that he
Is staying in Brisbane next year before some here finally get it?

Don't jump the gun too quickly on this one. Bennett is the preferred option and what is being reported isn't always true - we've seen enough nonsense printed by journos to know better.

I’d hesitate to believe journos anytime let alone about this subject, I’m baseing what I’m saying solely on what Bennett said at the Club presentation himself,

 

[Tigerdave]

So, the Panthers have stated that Ciraldo is the coach for next year, but will be replaced, the Bronco's have stated the same for Bennett…....everyone appears to be ok with that, but if Cleary is only here for next year as well, somehow that's a problem and we'll go backwards?

Think it'll all work out well enough if Cleary is here next year and there's confirmation of Bennett for 2020.

The only differences

One coach is amazed he’s coaching First grade
The second wants to see out his contract and build a solid last year and a strong club to leave behind.
While Cleary wants to get out fast, He’s not shown his best side lately especially to the fans that were all for him 3 months ago.

Come out and say something Ivan.
You owe the fans that have followed their team for a lot longer than you have been here, if your going go.
But if your staying than get on with it and good luck.

But why wouldn't Ivan want to build a solid last year?

Again, the Panthers are "still in limbo", their current coach has been publicly told he'll be coaching first grade next year, why is it that "they'll be alright" yet we won't be?

The Bronco's, no coach after next year and now this could happen that they could be without a coach next year, despite what Bennett has stated.

There's no indication Cleary wants to "get out fast" at all and I don't think a lack of statement from him really counts as "wanting to get out fast".

In the end, it'll all be sorted however it all goes. We'll still have a coach, I understand people are disappointed with all this, but it's not going to kill club or the side, we'll still have a coach, just depends on who and the club is clearly sorting trying to sort it out, which takes time. Would have been easier had Bennett been leaving at the end of this year though.

Would have been a lot easier if Cleary did not hold discussions with Penrith for next year onwards and then indicate his wanting to get out fast to WT CEO and Chair. Thus, pretty clear that he would not want to build a solid last year under sufferance having informed the club that he prefers to leave.

He's not under sufferance at all for starters and had told players he'll be here next year. Is Bennett under sufferance knowing, and publicly conformed no less, that he won't be at the Broncos?

At least Cleary knows he's wanted, Bennett isn't. I would say one is under more "sufferance" than the other.

 

[Balmainian]

Penrith won’t stretch themselves. I don’t think they mind waiting. Nathan signing has made getting Ivan sooner not as important imo.

Yeah it think so too, If Madge doesn't sign i'd be holding Cleary until Bennet does.

 

[851]

https://www.5thtackle.com/2018/10/13/bronco-star-to-follow-wayne-bennett-if-he-departs-brisbane/

**Bronco Star To Follow Wayne Bennett If He Departs Brisbane.**

October 13, 2018 <the5thtackle@hotmail.com>As it stands, Wayne Bennett will finish up as Brisbane Broncos coach at the end of the 2019 season after the club decided not to extend his contract, but it is understood he won’t be alone.

Bennett, who has coached the Broncos in two stints and won six premierships with the club, is contracted until the end of next season and had initially hoped to extended his tenure beyond 2019.

But discussions with Broncos chairman Karl Morris saw Bennett agree he would see out his current contract and finish in what will be his 26th season with the club.

Darius Boyd followed Bennett when he departed for the Dragons, Newcastle and then back to the Broncos. Now it is believed that out-of-contract winger Corey Oates will do the same and follow Bennett where ever lands for 2019 and beyond. At this stage, It is understood he will sign a 1-year contract and will stay a Bronco and move elsewhere when Wayne departs.

But rumours have placed the super coach joining the Wests Tigers in 2019 and if this is the case, it is believed Corey Oates have informed Bronco officials that he will be joining his mentor.

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge here, with a lot of factors to be played out. Watch this space.

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Now that would be a good get, throw in TPJ and happy days

 

[old_man_tiger]

TPJ rumoured to be signing only one year with broncos

Maybe Bennett using him as a bargaining tool in negotiations with tiger's

You keep IC for 1 year and I will bring TPJ with me in 2020 as i just want 1 last year with broncos

Bennett is needed at our club. Maguire would be a disaster.

Paws I'm interested in your reasoning here, I agree Unca would be better but I'd say Maguire>Cleary.

Sorry if you've explained it already

Cleary brought excellent communication skills to the club. Despite what is happening, he cannot be accused of not being a polished performer in both dealings with players or the media. He was an asset to our club and most of all, our players like him and play for him.,

The Stuart/Maguire/Hasler style coaches rely on anger/temper and gesticulation. To me, the shouting and anger may work initially but eventually it loses impact as we've seen at Souths with Maguire. We also witnessed Maguire having no Plan B if Plan A didn't work. I'd like to believe we've outgrown this type of coach who will set us back years,
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Bennett has longevity in the NRL, is a polished performer despite what many believe (I think he actively cultivates this image and Lockyer etc are happy to play up to it) and we know the players like him very much, He will attract $ and players. We need him at the club and should do everything possible to get him here asap,

No argument on Bennett but Cleary has made some strange calls that have made me re-think his coomunication.

Off the top of my head the 5 captains and stating midway through the year that he didn't know who our best team was. Also his statements that this squad wouldn't be the one to take us all the way. Sheens could have said the same in 2005, let's be honest, neither squad looked like a premiership threat before rd1.

You raise some good points re Madge but I don't think we can rate him until he has a stint at a second club

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I reckon sign unca wayne even if its for 2020, with the squad we've currently got we'll more than likely do no better than this year arguably we overachieved . We have a lot of cattle coming off contract end of 2019, hopefully unca can sift through the rubbish bring a couple with him from the Bronc's Oates and TPJ hopefully and our roster will look much better for 2020 and he gets his say in the signings of course.
So in the interim we could keep Cleary which may force Penriths hand into more generous compensation and annoy them, or we use Hodgo & Webster someone of that calibre for 2019\. I know its another year of nothingness but Cleary has effectively put us in this situation with his antics.
Wayne may already have his views on his assistant and could possibly put him in place now so he hits the ground running in 2020, I really dont like the idea of Madge maybe we are heading down that road but this would be my preferred position if Wayne is out of the question for 19.

 

[innsaneink]

https://www.5thtackle.com/2018/10/13/bronco-star-to-follow-wayne-bennett-if-he-departs-brisbane/

**Bronco Star To Follow Wayne Bennett If He Departs Brisbane.**

October 13, 2018 <the5thtackle@hotmail.com>As it stands, Wayne Bennett will finish up as Brisbane Broncos coach at the end of the 2019 season after the club decided not to extend his contract, but it is understood he won’t be alone.

Bennett, who has coached the Broncos in two stints and won six premierships with the club, is contracted until the end of next season and had initially hoped to extended his tenure beyond 2019.

But discussions with Broncos chairman Karl Morris saw Bennett agree he would see out his current contract and finish in what will be his 26th season with the club.

Darius Boyd followed Bennett when he departed for the Dragons, Newcastle and then back to the Broncos. Now it is believed that out-of-contract winger Corey Oates will do the same and follow Bennett where ever lands for 2019 and beyond. At this stage, It is understood he will sign a 1-year contract and will stay a Bronco and move elsewhere when Wayne departs.

But rumours have placed the super coach joining the Wests Tigers in 2019 and if this is the case, it is believed Corey Oates have informed Bronco officials that he will be joining his mentor.

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge here, with a lot of factors to be played out. Watch this space.

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What a load of garbage

Package deals now?

What if bennetts new club dont need a winger…just a new twist on a tired story

 

[Russell]

I reckon sign unca wayne even if its for 2020, with the squad we've currently got we'll more than likely do no better than this year arguably we overachieved . We have a lot of cattle coming off contract end of 2019, hopefully unca can sift through the rubbish bring a couple with him from the Bronc's Oates and TPJ hopefully and our roster will look much better for 2020 and he gets his say in the signings of course.
So in the interim we could keep Cleary which may force Penriths hand into more generous compensation and annoy them, or we use Hodgo & Webster someone of that calibre for 2019\. I know its another year of nothingness but Cleary has effectively put us in this situation with his antics.
Wayne may already have his views on his assistant and could possibly put him in place now so he hits the ground running in 2020, I really dont like the idea of Madge maybe we are heading down that road but this would be my preferred position if Wayne is out of the question for 19.

Agree with you Doc - If it is out of Unca and Madge - it is a no brainer. Unca Tiger wins.

We are not going to do much better than 7 or 8 next year and if we don't it is not wrist slashing time.

There are any number of good players coming off contract for 2020 and a whole lot of players we have that we won't be keeping coming off as well. Plus who Unca brings with him and draws to him.

A situation just made for Unca Wayne and the Wests Tigers.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The only differences

One coach is amazed he’s coaching First grade
The second wants to see out his contract and build a solid last year and a strong club to leave behind.
While Cleary wants to get out fast, He’s not shown his best side lately especially to the fans that were all for him 3 months ago.

Come out and say something Ivan.
You owe the fans that have followed their team for a lot longer than you have been here, if your going go.
But if your staying than get on with it and good luck.

But why wouldn't Ivan want to build a solid last year?

Again, the Panthers are "still in limbo", their current coach has been publicly told he'll be coaching first grade next year, why is it that "they'll be alright" yet we won't be?

The Bronco's, no coach after next year and now this could happen that they could be without a coach next year, despite what Bennett has stated.

There's no indication Cleary wants to "get out fast" at all and I don't think a lack of statement from him really counts as "wanting to get out fast".

In the end, it'll all be sorted however it all goes. We'll still have a coach, I understand people are disappointed with all this, but it's not going to kill club or the side, we'll still have a coach, just depends on who and the club is clearly sorting trying to sort it out, which takes time. Would have been easier had Bennett been leaving at the end of this year though.

Would have been a lot easier if Cleary did not hold discussions with Penrith for next year onwards and then indicate his wanting to get out fast to WT CEO and Chair. Thus, pretty clear that he would not want to build a solid last year under sufferance having informed the club that he prefers to leave.

He's not under sufferance at all for starters and had told players he'll be here next year. Is Bennett under sufferance knowing, and publicly conformed no less, that he won't be at the Broncos?

At least Cleary knows he's wanted, Bennett isn't. I would say one is under more "sufferance" than the other.

So the coach that informed his CEO and chair that he would rather be coaching Penrith than their team and when told that that he would not be allowed to leave early to do so, is not staying under sufferance. Yeah okay, you're correct and like you, I should have understood that Ivan was jumping for joy and noted the enthusiasm dripping from his statement.

It also had/has nothing whatsoever to do with Bennett.

 

[innsaneink]

So the coach that informed his CEO and chair that he would rather be coaching Penrith than their team

Hahah…nice spin.
I thought he said he'd honour his contract

 

[Tim Sheens]

So the coach that informed his CEO and chair that he would rather be coaching Penrith than their team

Hahah…nice spin.
I thought he said he'd honour his contract

Okay, so what else could he have possibly said to Pascoe that changed their relationship and had him inform everyone that Ivan would not be allowed to leave early to join Penrith?

 

[innsaneink]

So the coach that informed his CEO and chair that he would rather be coaching Penrith than their team

Hahah…nice spin.
I thought he said he'd honour his contract

Okay, so what else could he have possibly said to Pascoe that changed their relationship and had him inform everyone that Ivan would not be allowed to leave early to join Penrith?

Maybe Go & Pascoe were addressing the media speculation

 

[Tim Sheens]

So the coach that informed his CEO and chair that he would rather be coaching Penrith than their team

Hahah…nice spin.
I thought he said he'd honour his contract

Okay, so what else could he have possibly said to Pascoe that changed their relationship and had him inform everyone that Ivan would not be allowed to leave early to join Penrith?

Maybe Go & Pascoe were addressing the media speculation

They were directly addressing the content of the conversation/s that they had with Ivan as they referred to their content. I suggest that you have another look at their interviews if you are in any doubt, particularly Pascoe's as he gave a little more than Go, who was very guarded.