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@LaT said:
We also scrambled very well in 2005\. I think we averaged about 12 points per game against us in the last half of the season.
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From round 13 until round 26 defensively we let in about 18 points a game

226 points in 12 games
 
It should not be underestimated how much losing the experienced hard heads like O'Neil, Galea, Hodgson, whaturia etc the mix of experience and youth was not quite there.
When the young guns (Benji, Robbie, Fulton, Heighno, Gibbs etc) matured we had 2 more good cracks at it and missed.
Hopefully the next crop of youngster arrive when RObbie, Fults, Marshall , Galloway are the old heads and we can jag another comp.
 
@happy tiger said:
@LaT said:
We also scrambled very well in 2005\. I think we averaged about 12 points per game against us in the last half of the season.

From round 13 until round 26 defensively we let in about 18 points a game

226 points in 12 games
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Bugger. Maybe it was over a smaller period, our defense through to the GF was very underrated by the majority. We had players making the 3rd and 4th efforts in cover, never giving up.
 
@LaT said:
@happy tiger said:
@LaT said:
We also scrambled very well in 2005\. I think we averaged about 12 points per game against us in the last half of the season.

From round 13 until round 26 defensively we let in about 18 points a game

226 points in 12 games

Bugger. Maybe it was over a smaller period, our defense through to the GF was very underrated by the majority. We had players making the 3rd and 4th efforts in cover, never giving up.
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The Brisbane ,Melbourne and Penrith touch ups didn't help

Still maintain we threw the Penrith match to avoid the Storm first week of the semis
 
@innsaneink said:
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@Rambo2714 said:
Biggest factor is change Of Rules , in particular introduction of the " surrender tackle "

Wests won the 2005 comp by running to the line , then dropping , playing the ball quickly and then playing touch footy once we have a roll on
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No. You're wrong.

Wests found success in 2005 because they bucked the trend of teams playing very flat and depending on quick advantage line play from big forwards. Everyone was expecting us to hit it up out of our own half as was the norm back then. We used Galea and Fulton as mobile ball playing back rowers as opposed to just having 2 hard men just to make big tackles. We'd push it wide within our own 20 with opposing teams rushing up on us, benji and hodgo would tear them to shreads. We also had Pat Richards' boot from kickoffs. We always got repeat sets. We scrapped the red zone. We used set plays from scrums. We'd kick on the 3rd if we had to. **We brought dummy half running back from the dead.** We alternated between a sliding defence and a rushing defence at different times in a game.

it was brilliant.

Which is what Rambo said, and imo the main reason for our success….its where all the other points you mention started from....quick ptb's
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x2 it was touch football style,
- take it up
- surrender when you get to the defence
- play it quick

Once defense is in the back foot, play touch football , and it was Awsome to watch

As the rules changed the tried to change the way we played the game bit it took time to adapt and mould the playing squad

By 2010 we had the balance right
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@tigermaniac said:
1\. Champion players became show ponys
2\. Poor/wrong recruitment
3\. Rule changes
4\. Players desire
5\. Players believed in the media and their own crap, that they where it
6\. Everything revolving around Benji
7\. No halfback
8\. We went from footballers to celebrities
9\. No mongrel
10\. You have to earn it
11\. You have to tackle
12\. Paid to much

yep that's about right!
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@tigermaniac said:
1\. Champion players became show ponys
2\. Poor/wrong recruitment
3\. Rule changes
4\. Players desire
5\. Players believed in the media and their own crap, that they where it
6\. Everything revolving around Benji
7\. No halfback
8\. We went from footballers to celebrities
9\. No mongrel
10\. You have to earn it
11\. You have to tackle
12\. Paid to much
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i cant get past number 1.
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@tigermaniac said:
1\. Champion players became show ponys
2\. Poor/wrong recruitment
3\. Rule changes
4\. Players desire
5\. Players believed in the media and their own crap, that they where it
6\. Everything revolving around Benji
7\. **No halfback**
8\. We went from footballers to celebrities
9\. No mongrel
10\. You have to earn it
11\. You have to tackle
12\. Paid to much
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6 years of trying to turn anyone and everyone into a halfback, instead of actually recruiting a proper organising half was the biggest blunder this club has made, repeated over and over.
 
We finished top 4 in 2011/2012, 1 game away from the GF and beaten by the eventual premiers in one of those years.

That doesn't make up for the terrible years from 2006-2009 but you can't just ignore the better years. Like I said, winning a GF is extremely hard, great players go their entire careers without winning one.

We have moved on from 2005, we don't have a premiership but that doesn't make every single year since then an abject failure.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@happy tiger said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
Quite simple really… The game moved on, we didn't.

Present tense CB , we haven't moved on

Semantics Happy… We didn't move on from 2005, which would suggest that we still haven't :slight_smile:
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Problem is still there to an extent , when whatever gameplan we are trying to implement fails we go back to that style

That is going to be a hard habit to break
 
As happens to older coaches, the game passed Sheens by. Guys like Bellamy, Hasler and Mcguire are leading the way now
 
@snowleopard said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
As happens to older coaches, the game passed Sheens by. Guys like Bellamy, Hasler and Mcguire are leading the way now

Tend to agree. Do you think same applies to Bennett?
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Ask me in 12 months lol. I think you can make an exception for Bennett at this stage given hid record. If Newcastle fail again next then maybe questions might start to get asked. The fact Rick Stone did better with a weaker roster isn't a ringing endorsement
 
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