9/11 non-conspiracy

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The upcoming anniversary has reminded me of all the video's and information I looked up years back when procrastinating while doing the HSC about 9/11.

Before I get alot of hate mail, the argument isn't disrespectful to the families who lost loved ones. Regardless of how it happened, it's a massive atrocity and a black day for the world.

The arguments of 9/11 are varied, from people saying that the government allowed it to take place right up to the Bush administration planning the whole event.

I'm not a buyer into the whole government killed 3000 of its own people to get an excuse to go to Iraq, but I think I can at least agree that there are some bizarre events that took place that day and questions that haven't been answered.

Anyone else think so or do you all think I'm just :crazy ?
 
some questions will probably never be answered. there are some bizarre things that happened that day. 10 years have gone quickly
 
There is live vision of a hijacked 747 slamming into one of the 2 towers. What questions need to be answered. It's like saying there is a theory from some people saying the sky is green. Even though the sky is blue, there are questions remained unanswered as to why it is green. Some people just have to question EVERYTHING and not believing what their eyes are telling them.
 
@Chris said:
There is live vision of a hijacked 747 slamming into one of the 2 towers. What questions need to be answered. It's like saying there is a theory from some people saying the sky is green. Even though the sky is blue, there are questions remained unanswered as to why it is green. Some people just have to question EVERYTHING and not believing what their eyes are telling them.
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The question isn't wether or not 2 747's were hijacked and slammed into 2 towers. The question is who was realy responsible for it happening and what were the motives behind it
 
It was not a government conspiracy, the attack was carried out by extremists. There's no way that a government who couldn't even cover up an affair scandal with a president, could pull this off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks
 
@Tigerdave said:
It was not a government conspiracy, the attack was carried out by extremists. There's no way that a government who couldn't even cover up an affair scandal with a president, could pull this off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks
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Wrong president
 
@Tigertime said:
@Tigerdave said:
It was not a government conspiracy, the attack was carried out by extremists. There's no way that a government who couldn't even cover up an affair scandal with a president, could pull this off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks

Wrong president
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err yes I know, but same country though right?
 
So I'm assuming the thousands who witnessed and reported to the media the "supposed" first plane slammed into the WTC tower were in on the conspiracy too?
 
I watch a doco on it, and there saying that the planes that crashed into the tower were different planes and the ones that got hijacked were fine, now that I believe is bull cause alot of people can't just go missing, and then they went on about locking down the area and some1 took a video of guys in weird gas suits picking out wires which was believed to be detonation wires. There is a conspiracy to everything nearly, they went on about the Titanic being 1, JFK was 1, and even the first ever landing on the moon. I dnt know what to believe these days. But I do believe the government did have a little bit of a say in it but I dnt think it was to kill them all, I think the plan went to crap, dunno
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If it were a black flag operation, it would have had to have been the most well-researched & resourced operation of all time, requiring a lot of involvement from government staff, and for that very reason I don't believe it was black flag (you couldn't keep hundreds of people quiet.)

What it was though was a comedy of errors from the CIA & FBI who openly knew about these characters floating around in the US and a testament to US arrogance that they couldn't be hit on their own soil. They've since learned the hard way.
 
You only have to look at Bush's face when he was told the news while reading books with the school kids to realise it was real…

America's darkest 4 hours, and Osama's greatest achievement?!

Sad Really!!!
 
i have seen some good docos on the 9/11 conspiracy and i am probably sucked in when i watch them but so many things dont add up its rediculous.

Like why was there multiple war games/training excersises happening on 9/11 across america that revolved around what would happen if a plane was hijacked. Audio tapes just came out with a communications officers saying "Is, is this real world or exercise?"

and

how did the building falls down, when no other steel building in history has ever collapsed due to fires/explosions. And collapse down on its self in such precision that it left some buildings around it untouched…as if organised to????
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i agree how would you keep so many people quiet but, there is something so bizarre about it all. So very sad for so many innocent people which is the most important part.

if you want to know more watch 'Loose Change'
 
There are many things to the conspiracy surrounding 9/11, I don't for a second believe the US government organised it. I do believe there were factions of powerful ppl both inside and out that knew of an 'immenant' attack and did nothing to prevent it.

Beyond the actually attacks, there are numerous parts that simply don't make sense. The gold that was 'destroyed' along with building 7's collapse are huge questions.

I'm sick of hearing about it tbh. It started what will be arguably the darkest period the world has faced in my lifeime, but we consistantly use it to reignite hatred and fear instead of moving on. The world and our civilisation as it is now, is dumb and immature. We dnt learn from past mistakes, we have so much potential as a civilisation, more than any in the past. But we waste that potential by accepting a world that benefits few at the expense of everyone else.

Arggggghhhh *face palm*
 
Bush wasn't as smart as Clinton. So bush covering something up is scary. If you want the strongest case of the government doing it watch the crap online doco 'loss change' ands after you pick at the gapping holes in there case. What another online doco 'there be dragons'. And make you own mind up.

Ps I think what all the tv channels are doing this week is disgusting. How many doco's can you put on in a week. Very bad, very very bad.

We should always remember all the lose, grief, and how and why. Not run a doco every night for a week.

The how and why is this

How is extremist plan a major TERROR attack on US soil to scary them so they would pull there troop out from war zones around the world. The US is too well equipped to attack head on. So people that have foreign troops in there land fought back the only way they could think to fight back. They did not do it just because they were muslim and the US wasn't.
Religion only comes into it after they died.

And after all that, The terrorist were expecting to go to heaven with 40 virgins for being a martyr. But this is how you get talked into doing something so extremely evil. You be reward for doing this. Don't listen to all the voices in your head questioning your action. You'll be rewarded…. In there same religion, the don't go to heaven if they killed someone.

I don't care what believes you have or what pretend friend you believe in the sky. A lot of the world don't like the yanks. Jealous of there wealth and power, and not liking the US flexing there muscle in foreign lands. Not liking the US controlling the world for there own interests. The people in power or who want power in there lands don't want to have to deal with them. The US armed forces are the same. Ask them about atheist in fox holes.
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Sorry BrissieTiger67 but there have been many steel buildings that have collapsed due to fire. Just the trade centers are the first ones to have 747 fly onto them. When steel gets even a little warmer it flexes more and that is why it collapsed. Look at a steel bridge on a hot day it sags more then it normally does. And that is just form the sun. Image what would happen if there was a fire with say jet fuel in the blaze. Massive steel structural failure.

War games in the US in 9/11.

There is always war games happening in the US. They are called training.

And ' loss change' is so bad. There is so many holes. It's well edited, but the info is really bad. Look up online for any blog that discusses loss change with real details, and you find out how flawed and half truths they use to express their point. Almost as go as the daily tele when is comes to accuracy.
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@Kaiser said:
There are many things to the conspiracy surrounding 9/11, I don't for a second believe the US government organised it. I do believe there were factions of powerful ppl both inside and out that knew of an 'immenant' attack and did nothing to prevent it.

Beyond the actually attacks, there are numerous parts that simply don't make sense. The gold that was 'destroyed' along with building 7's collapse are huge questions.

**I'm sick of hearing about it tbh. It started what will be arguably the darkest period the world has faced in my lifeime, but we consistantly use it to reignite hatred and fear instead of moving on. The world and our civilisation as it is now, is dumb and immature. We dnt learn from past mistakes, we have so much potential as a civilisation, more than any in the past. But we waste that potential by accepting a world that benefits few at the expense of everyone else.**

Arggggghhhh *face palm*
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I'm in the same boat Kaiser. No one should forget it, but it's an insult to our intelligence when there are those out there who believe we have to be reminded on a constant basis of what transpired that day.

The worst thing about September 11th was that those events became a catalyst for actions of retaliation of which hundreds of thousands of more people have suffered at the hands of a war of attrition of which there will be no "winner."
 
@coolcat said:
Sorry BrissieTiger67 but there have been many steel buildings that have collapsed due to fire. Just the trade centers are the first ones to have 747 fly onto them. When steel gets even a little warmer it flexes more and that is why it collapsed. Look at a steel bridge on a hot day it sags more then it normally does. And that is just form the sun. Image what would happen if there was a fire with say jet fuel in the blaze. Massive steel structural failure.

War games in the US in 9/11.

There is always war games happening in the US. They are called training.

And ' loss change' is so bad. There is so many holes. It's well edited, but the info is really bad. Look up online for any blog that discusses loss change with real details, and you find out how flawed and half truths they use to express their point. Almost as go as the daily tele when is comes to accuracy.
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Not sure of your research but,

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/collapses.html

see this site
 
@Tommy Tiger said:
What's this got to do with footy ??
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surely you've been on this forum long enough to realize there is a general discussion section
 
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