Tigerdave
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I think we can question the reliability of a site that someone has called, 911lies…..
9/11 non-conspiracy
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CocaCola
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http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html
Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer..
All the buildings involved, pentagon, wt7, twin towers stored valuable information including SEC documents and other top secret files.. All evidence gone up in smoke.. Along with the missing billions worth of Gold bullion stored in vaults under the towers..
The planes involved were hijacked, but not by a bunch of saudi 'terrorists'.. Majority of the saudi men on the hijackers list are still alive today, there identities were stolen and used as a false flag attack, they have since sued for deformation..
How does the passport of the alleged leader attar, survive the crash into the towers, escape the pocket or briefcase it was in, escape the jetliner and burning flames, fly out the towers & travel about a block away over other tall buildings & end up in pristine condition to be identified.. Other reports suggest the passport was found before the crash.. suss how 'evidence' is deliberately just left there isn't it..
Youtube dancing isrealis - 5 isreali men caught by police that day were allowed to leave the country without charge and 1 has even linked with 9/11 funds.. There response shows they had prior knowledge of what was about to happen (9/11 attack)..
Think… Why did the US invade afghanistan or iraq? None of the hijackers were from those countries, and Bin Laden did NOT take responsibility, nor have these countries ever threatened to invade or attack US soil.. The fake video that was leaked on youtube claiming he spoke of the attack through a dream interpretation was a C.I.A fake.. (it has been proven along with other C.I.A fakes).
Bin Laden hasn't been active or released a video since 2003\. (But yet US, C.I.A propaganda would lead you to believe he was captured, killed and dumped into the sea earlier this year).. They are chasing ghosts, installing fear into the public.. C.I.A created and funded Al-Qeada, they had a future vision of chasing a ghost terrorist all along, and installing fear into civilians to clamp down on civialin rights & freedom.. We the people will be run by corporations if we believe the lies we are being fed through the media which is 80% owned & controlled by these same zionist elite.. He died in 2003, and has been used as an escape goat since.
Interesting Research to Follow Up On:
Bilderberg Group
Trilateral Commission
And who really owns the federal reserve
The US government is pro-israeli, the key positions are given to that of pro-israeli figures, and they are funded & elected by the banking elite. The bankers have all the money in the world, so they want to make sure they have controlling interests of everything & anything that can eliminate them from there positions.. The Federal Reserve is above the US constitution laws.. They answer to no one.. Bush, Obama & Israeli presidents are all puppets for these elite groups & are used as nothing more then pre-elected front men..
Zionist Bankers rule the world.. They enslave, Both fund & bankrupt nations & control resources through there own elite members in some of the groups mentioned above, they share there wealth and do ANYTHING to protect the monopoly they have on the world industries including finance, oil, gas, security, media..
The real reason these nations like iraq, afghanistan, libya and the like are being invaded is because they are a threat to the global elite SYSTEM, not US soil or there citizens.. Gaddafi wanted his own gold dinar currency, Iran president wants to switch the oil trade bargo away from US currency, all this is a threat to the fiat currency owned by the federal reserve.. They create money out of thin air, they print FREE money (it is not backed by a physical commodity like gold)..
Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer..
All the buildings involved, pentagon, wt7, twin towers stored valuable information including SEC documents and other top secret files.. All evidence gone up in smoke.. Along with the missing billions worth of Gold bullion stored in vaults under the towers..
The planes involved were hijacked, but not by a bunch of saudi 'terrorists'.. Majority of the saudi men on the hijackers list are still alive today, there identities were stolen and used as a false flag attack, they have since sued for deformation..
How does the passport of the alleged leader attar, survive the crash into the towers, escape the pocket or briefcase it was in, escape the jetliner and burning flames, fly out the towers & travel about a block away over other tall buildings & end up in pristine condition to be identified.. Other reports suggest the passport was found before the crash.. suss how 'evidence' is deliberately just left there isn't it..
Youtube dancing isrealis - 5 isreali men caught by police that day were allowed to leave the country without charge and 1 has even linked with 9/11 funds.. There response shows they had prior knowledge of what was about to happen (9/11 attack)..
Think… Why did the US invade afghanistan or iraq? None of the hijackers were from those countries, and Bin Laden did NOT take responsibility, nor have these countries ever threatened to invade or attack US soil.. The fake video that was leaked on youtube claiming he spoke of the attack through a dream interpretation was a C.I.A fake.. (it has been proven along with other C.I.A fakes).
Bin Laden hasn't been active or released a video since 2003\. (But yet US, C.I.A propaganda would lead you to believe he was captured, killed and dumped into the sea earlier this year).. They are chasing ghosts, installing fear into the public.. C.I.A created and funded Al-Qeada, they had a future vision of chasing a ghost terrorist all along, and installing fear into civilians to clamp down on civialin rights & freedom.. We the people will be run by corporations if we believe the lies we are being fed through the media which is 80% owned & controlled by these same zionist elite.. He died in 2003, and has been used as an escape goat since.
Interesting Research to Follow Up On:
Bilderberg Group
Trilateral Commission
And who really owns the federal reserve
The US government is pro-israeli, the key positions are given to that of pro-israeli figures, and they are funded & elected by the banking elite. The bankers have all the money in the world, so they want to make sure they have controlling interests of everything & anything that can eliminate them from there positions.. The Federal Reserve is above the US constitution laws.. They answer to no one.. Bush, Obama & Israeli presidents are all puppets for these elite groups & are used as nothing more then pre-elected front men..
Zionist Bankers rule the world.. They enslave, Both fund & bankrupt nations & control resources through there own elite members in some of the groups mentioned above, they share there wealth and do ANYTHING to protect the monopoly they have on the world industries including finance, oil, gas, security, media..
The real reason these nations like iraq, afghanistan, libya and the like are being invaded is because they are a threat to the global elite SYSTEM, not US soil or there citizens.. Gaddafi wanted his own gold dinar currency, Iran president wants to switch the oil trade bargo away from US currency, all this is a threat to the fiat currency owned by the federal reserve.. They create money out of thin air, they print FREE money (it is not backed by a physical commodity like gold)..
Tommy Magpie
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The US in no angel in world politics, some of the motives discussed may have some truth, but to suggest the events of 9/11 is a conspiracy is just plain bonkers.
@pacey said:
Lightweight aluminium? A passanger jet is pretty damn heavy and anyone who has ever seen a show like Aircrash Investigation would have seen that a plane will break through a lot of things in it's path. Also the plane was travelling at its maximum speed.
There are logical answers for all these alleged problems. No evidence? Nonsense, there is a stack of evidence not least the footage of the plane ramming into it. These people have to remember that when you ram a large plane at full speed into solid concrete and then there is fire burning at extremely hot temperatures, you're not going to have an intact fuselage to look at afterwards.
Of course the most logical question to ask would be what would the point be? This happened after the WTC attack which was more than enough justification for the US to attack Afghanistan etc etc. Why destroy one of your most important buildings (or part thereof) and murder your own people (I'm convinced that the people who claim to have lost friends, relatives etc in the Pentagon attack are on the level)?
As much as these conspiracy sites raise things that don't make full sense, for the most part their own conclusions and theories make even less sense. As usual the most logical explanation is also the simplest - some nutbags performed these awful acts.
@Chris said:
Ah but you're forgetting the underlying basis for all conspiracy theories - ignore the 95% of evidence that disproves your theory (sometimes irrefutably) and focus on the 5% which is unclear or open to interpretation. And even then there are some pretty long bows drawn.
These are the same crowd who deny the holocaust happened too. I'm just glad we don't have the Chilbury clown on here any more or else we'd be being swamped with this crap about now.
westTAHger
Well-known member
conspiracy or not.
It would be very hard for any of families involved.
can you imagine trying to cope with the loss of loved ones, or the people who went into the towers to help. people who were innocent victims of this.
It would be very hard for any of families involved.
can you imagine trying to cope with the loss of loved ones, or the people who went into the towers to help. people who were innocent victims of this.
AndTheKungFoSing
New member
@Yossarian said:
I find it hard to see how some people can take the whole conspiracy to the nth degree, the same way I can't understand how some people can just flatly accept everything for what it is.
I am not denying planes crashed into buildings, nor do I believe these attacks were orchestrated by the US government. I do however believe that there were factions who knew of an imminent attack and did nothing to stop it.
There are many aspects to the whole event which don't make sense and are out of place. The biggest one for me is the collapse of Building 7, this makes ZERO sense! The reason, a paper fire?
Also, the amount of gold, silver and so on that is unaccounted for after the collapse is the biggest issue of concern to me…
I'd say it's fairer to say people strongly believed an attack was going to happen, I'm yet to see anything to suggest anyone knew specific details like times, locations, etc. It's been pretty well documented that the performance of the US security agencies was pretty poor.
Now as to the issue of WTC7\. From my understanding it was a bit more than a paper fire. The building suffered structural damage and the fire prevention systems weren't up to the job when it caugh alight. I'll post this without comment because there is a stack of detail and I'd need another 3 coffees to understand it all. It is however an interesting counterbalance to the conspiracy sites:
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
Now as to the issue of WTC7\. From my understanding it was a bit more than a paper fire. The building suffered structural damage and the fire prevention systems weren't up to the job when it caugh alight. I'll post this without comment because there is a stack of detail and I'd need another 3 coffees to understand it all. It is however an interesting counterbalance to the conspiracy sites:
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
@CocaCola said:
What are you suggesting with all this? Is this a personal belief? That a Jewish conspiracy wanted to destroy SEC documents? Although its really hard to follow the logic trail with so many crazy theories mixed in with some old fashioned anti-Semitic rubbish.
All,
Please refrain from any anti-semitic comments in your posts, a comment has already been deleted due to this.
Thanks.
Please refrain from any anti-semitic comments in your posts, a comment has already been deleted due to this.
Thanks.
@pacey said:
They were burnt down to nothing in the incredibly hot fire. They're not very thick bits of metal.
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alien
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building 7 got hit from beams of the towers when they fell but the guy that owns the world trade centre buildings admitted on tv that they pulled building 7, they knew that building 7 was going to fall. people in the media even said it was going to, and some in the media said it already had (when you could still see it standing in the background)
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alien
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guys watch this video. its called '9/11: Heroes of the 88th Floor'.
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/9-11-heroes-of-the-88th-floor-videos/
**edit - it isnt the whole thing
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/9-11-heroes-of-the-88th-floor-videos/
**edit - it isnt the whole thing
@alien said:
Actually according to FEMA it collapsed on its own accord. It was a fair while after WTC1 and 2.
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf
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alien
Guest
fema pfft
I'm not sure if that is a joke or not but the report is well referenced and good evidence to back what it's saying.
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alien
Guest
@Yossarian said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
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