A Call to action - Rozelle Village

[Benjirific]

We've heard enough from stuttering dave because he has to say is NIMBY selfish-ism.

Nice, sign up to the forum and your first post is to have a personal shot at me. And completely unfounded, since I have only stated facts (besides the outdated Siro/board thing), I don't stutter and am very far from lefty/nimby/green.

I've yet to hear from anyone, why this new proposal is better than the last one that got knocked back, or better yet, better than one that fits in to the current LEP, or better yet, one that's closer to the current LMC commercial requirement.

I'll shut up again, unless someone else drags me back in to it :wink:

This development is less bulky (which was one of the concerns of the last proposal), has made adjustments for traffic by acquiring more properties and with a larger size makes available more space for community use.

It is to be assessed as stage significant, hence why it does not comply with LEP or LMC commecial requirements, and it, as a development of its size or any reasonable one in the god-forsaken Greens local govt in Leichhardt, should be. It is simply offensive of the local member and council members to say they support a development at the site and the return of the leagues club after the way they have treated them. The club and developer has attempted to work with both for the whole process, has done everything that has been asked of them by the local member and council, only to be stabbed in the back at each turn. Finally, for the sake of the local and wider community, it has been taken out of their hands and into those who will make a decision for people other than those living in the streets surrounding it (a group of which I am actually a member).

 

[Jackie_Chiles]

If the development gets through, what is to say Balmain Leagues club will operate in the black?

 

[Yossarian]

If the development gets through, what is to say Balmain Leagues club will operate in the black?

What's to say it won't? It was pretty successful as a going concern before all this started.

 

[BobSacamano]

the local council shot themselves in the foot by rejecting the much smaller intial proposal. it goes to show you how out of touch with planning regulations your elected officials are. the next move from the developer was always going to be increase the size of the project so that it becomes state significant. now the councillors and opponents can go and eat there humble pie. this will be approved. you cant halt progress.

people comparing the impact this development will have to what westfields bondi did to paddington are again showing how ignorant they when it comes to planning. bondi is one off the biggest malls in sydney and created one of the biggest car parks to boot. it did not ANY new apartments or increase the residential population.

this development will add proabably close to 1000 new residents to the village of rozelle, increasing the foot traffic and spending power to nearby small business. i bet the small business with the protest banners in their shop windows wont be complaning when their revenues increase. i work in a small business in rozelle and support the redevelopment and we refused to put the banner in our window.

 

[system]

Also Paddington was affected not by Westfield but by the greed of landlords jacking up the rents time and time again.

Finally this is about progressing forward as a city. More and more tower developments will pop as time goes on because it is what is sustainable and ecologically sound.

 

[Jackie_Chiles]

If the development gets through, what is to say Balmain Leagues club will operate in the black?

What's to say it won't? It was pretty successful as a going concern before all this started.

Was it operating at a profit before they closed the doors was it ?

 

[Yossarian]

If the development gets through, what is to say Balmain Leagues club will operate in the black?

What's to say it won't? It was pretty successful as a going concern before all this started.

Was it operating at a profit before they closed the doors was it ?

Before Rozelle shut it was breaking even on its actual club operations with an unfavourable poker machine tax. In 2009 it made close to $10 million in poker machine takings. With a new purpose built club sitting below a whole bunch of apartments and attached to a major retail centre I'd be pretty confident it will turn a profit soon enough.

 

[BobSacamano]

Also Paddington was affected not by Westfield but by the greed of landlords jacking up the rents time and time again.

Finally this is about progressing forward as a city. More and more tower developments will pop as time goes on because it is what is sustainable and ecologically sound.

bingo!

 

[Muffstar]

If the development gets through, what is to say Balmain Leagues club will operate in the black?

What's to say it won't? It was pretty successful as a going concern before all this started.

Was it operating at a profit before they closed the doors was it ?

Any reason why you wouldn't want it to work ? It was a great little club which did a lot of good community work. I hope it comes back bigger than ever.

 

[Adman]

Also Paddington was affected not by Westfield but by the greed of landlords jacking up the rents time and time again.

Finally this is about progressing forward as a city. More and more tower developments will pop as time goes on because it is what is sustainable and ecologically sound.

bingo!

Well said.

 

[tigerbenji]

I thought the Leagues club started to go downhill when the Casino opened, I stand corrected though, i hope it re-opens & makes a motza.

 

[Yossarian]

I thought the Leagues club started to go downhill when the Casino opened, I stand corrected though, i hope it re-opens & makes a motza.

It made a $600,000+ operating profit in 2007\. The casino was an issue but so was the pokie tax and the limitations that the uncertainty over the club's future had. As I said before, given a brand new club purpose built on one level with units sitting above it and retail facilities attached to it, I see no reason why it would not be profitable given the more favourable tax environment.

 

[Jackie_Chiles]

If the development gets through, what is to say Balmain Leagues club will operate in the black?

What's to say it won't? It was pretty successful as a going concern before all this started.

Was it operating at a profit before they closed the doors was it ?

Before Rozelle shut it was breaking even on its actual club operations with an unfavourable poker machine tax. In 2009 it made close to $10 million in poker machine takings. With a new purpose built club sitting below a whole bunch of apartments and attached to a major retail centre I'd be pretty confident it will turn a profit soon enough.

Rubbish.
In 2008 Balmain Leagues posted a $3.2 million dollars loss.
In 2009 Balmain Leagues posted a $4 million dollar loss.

 

[Yossarian]

Before Rozelle shut it was breaking even on its actual club operations with an unfavourable poker machine tax. In 2009 it made close to $10 million in poker machine takings. With a new purpose built club sitting below a whole bunch of apartments and attached to a major retail centre I'd be pretty confident it will turn a profit soon enough.

Rubbish.
In 2008 Balmain Leagues posted a $3.2 million dollars loss.
In 2009 Balmain Leagues posted a $4 million dollar loss.

You're looking at the loss after grants. Look at the operating profit/loss…

Loss before significant expenses
2010(624,637)
2009 (34,271)

 

[Jackie_Chiles]

No Yossarian I am looking at the total expences BEFORE significant expences. You say in 2009 the Leagues club made almost $10 million dollars in poker machine takings. Actually the club made $9,368,837 million in poker machine takings. Its total expences that year was $16,336,793 million Do the sums yourself . I initially said $4 million dollars but the actual official loss of Balmain in 2009 was $5,519,684 million dollars.

They have been losing millions and millions of dollars for years.

It can be seen as optomistic at best, if you believe the increase activity in the area will increase poker machine revenue. Unless there is a huge Asian / Middle Eastern occupancy in that area, your poker machine revenue will not rise significantly.

This is fact Yossarian, not fiction like what you write.

 

[Yossarian]

Well if the club made "$9,368,837 million" there'd be no problem. That's $9,368,837,000,000…
Taking poker machine revenue away from total expenses is either stupid or dishonest.
It over looks:
Food revenue: $3,393,586
Other revenue: $2,002,643

It's there right below the poker machine figures on page 14 so your facts are pretty much BS.

Anyway people can look for themselves http://www.tigers.org.au/uploads/File/Uploads/BLC_AnnualReport_FINAL%20WEB.pdf

2009 - Total Revenue $14,765,066
Total Expenses (before significant expenses) $14,799,337
Loss before significant expense $34,271 NOT $5.5 million.

I have no idea where you get your figures. Club revenue is more than poker machine takings. Don't accuse me of making things up, I'm quoting the actual reports. You may think you can get away with talking manure all your life but you can't go around telling porkies pal.

 

[Balmain_Supporter]

As someone concerned about the club and the impact the development will have on our street, I attended the meeting last night. This was the Leichhardt Council one down in Balmain. I heard massive arguments against the development. The arguments seemed to make sense, indicating our supposed club savior Ian wright and his company has rushed the development through. Without proper work being done and consideration on how the "whole" of the nearby community feels about the proposal. I respect many of the opinions given in the forum and I know how hard we want things to work out. At the meeting last night I saw Tiger fans speak out both about the development and the administration of the club. This shouldn't be happening. How come our club is causing so much problems with its neighbours and friends. Come on Ian lets sort things out. Give us all back our dignity.

 

[system]

Rushed the development through???

What a joke. This proposal has existed in on form or another for years and has been shot down by the same narrow minded, self absorbed fools regardless of how sizeable or moderate the proposed development has been.

Rozelle immediatley west of Victoria Road is of zero architectural significance, is an utter eyesore littered with run down or failed businesses that have been left to waste by the community that is held up as a vision by this projects detractors. This is the same community that saw a slew of letters complaining about the traffic and noise eminating from what was the Mobil service station just down the road from the Rozelle club site. A community that in fact only has any semblance of community when even the slightest change or development is put forward.

For me this argument is less about the club, which by the way was the one major community asset west of Victoria Road that was ignored by the so called community of Rozelle, and more about town planning and moving forward as a modern city and surrounds and doing what is right for a population that continues to grow at a rate higher than even Sydneys vast urban sprawl can accomodate.

The largest amount of community activity I have seen in the area west of Victoria Road in recent times was two guys urinating on the wall of an empty shop last Wednesday evening

 

[Yossarian]

The largest amount of community activity I have seen in the area west of Victoria Road in recent times was two guys urinating on the wall of an empty shop last Wednesday evening

That was probably an art installation mate…

 

[Yossarian]

Rushed the development through???

What a joke. This proposal has existed in on form or another for years and has been shot down by the same narrow minded, self absorbed fools regardless of how sizeable or moderate the proposed development has been.

Rozelle immediatley west of Victoria Road is of zero architectural significance, is an utter eyesore littered with run down or failed businesses that have been left to waste by the community that is held up as a vision by this projects detractors. This is the same community that saw a slew of letters complaining about the traffic and noise eminating from what was the Mobil service station just down the road from the Rozelle club site. A community that in fact only has any semblance of community when even the slightest change or development is put forward.

For me this argument is less about the club, which by the way was the one major community asset west of Victoria Road that was ignored by the so called community of Rozelle, and more about town planning and moving forward as a modern city and surrounds and doing what is right for a population that continues to grow at a rate higher than even Sydneys vast urban sprawl can accomodate.

The largest amount of community activity I have seen in the area west of Victoria Road in recent times was two guys urinating on the wall of an empty shop last Wednesday evening

Very good post. The irony (if I can slightly misuse that word) is that the Balmain/Rozelle of today is nothing like it was 30 or 40 years ago. The yuppie influx changed the area considerably - long established businesses closed and new trendier ones popped up. And now they are complaining that the character of the area will change when they changed it in the first place?!

Victoria Road in that area is horrible eyesore - petrol stations, dodgy furniture importers, car yards, concrete. Even though development has to be sensible and strike a balance, no area can opt out of living in a major international city. People need to live somewhere - this site is about 5km from the city on a major transport route. It is a thoroughly sensible place for higher density living.

Really this is all about property prices and a complete resistance to change.