A Disgrace ?
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jirskyr
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These threads are just strange. Where is the perspective?
I clearly remember the crap old Balmain days of the 90s when we were happy with 50% win rate and occasionally knocking off a top team. No money, no marquee players… just a team of battlers who could grind out a win from time to time. Wet weather used to be our best friend! Nobody sponsors, flat crowds and dull football.
Maggies almost got cut in '83, had a flurry in the 90s (as Balmain did in the 80s) but at the back end of the 90s we were both dead in the water. Clubs with a proud 100 year tradition and on the brink of collapse. We merge because we both think we are going to be cut from the comp, such is our state.
Even then, flush with cash, early 2000s fading in the back half of seasons to miss the 8\. Hoppagate, Craigie, McGuinness/Field drug issues, money poured down the drain.
We might not have made the finals 2012, but this team is still in one of the best positions I've seen it in for my 30 years of support. As Kul noted, we can attract talent, have a strong roster, good crowds and were quite successful past 3 years as a whole.
This forum got the knives out for Sheens after a bad year, finally got its wish, and now people want to complain about the manner in which it has happened.
Take a look around, the NRL is rife with drama and mistakes. Canterbury almost won the comp and have come undone with biting and swearing at journos. Storm rorting the cap, Cronulla almost went under. Parra sign deadbeats, hoik their coach and CEO in the same year, as do the Roosters. Dragons win a comp and drop down the ladder like a lead weight. Knights have a financially troubled owner and a team that can’t perform on the field. Manly win the comp then sack their coach, coupled with constant board in-fighting. Warriors sack their new coach after one year and the new coach gets publically questioned by players. Broncos have hordes of juniors but can’t get their on-fields right. Gold Coast make some bad investments that almost bring them undone.
The system is cyclical; you have your ups and downs and as long as you get up off the canvas you will live to fight another day. EVERY club has issues.
I personally don’t feel the sacking was handled badly. All the attention it received was just a reflection of the club’s large following and a media frenzy during a time of low content. Open today’s paper and see how much league news there is; the papers will jump on anything at the moment. The club didn’t make an official statement early because of the money Sheens is owed and not having reached an agreement on how that will be handled.
If you were to believe the Telecrap at the time, he quit, then was marched, then was asked to step aside, also having promised to leave. They just stab in the dark, hoping to score a hit. It’s the same with the new coach, talking up Parish, then Walters had it, now Potter apparently has it. Don’t take it to heart, it’s just a trash rag like any Women’s Day or No Idea.
We also couldn’t hook Sheens at any other time. Mid-season and there would have been complaints that he didn’t get a chance to play the season out. He had his year and as soon as the sour ending was confirmed, he was marched.
Let us not forget that Humphreys is the CEO of the Wests Tigers, he is not responsible for the financial position of Balmain.
So we haven’t rushed into signing a coach. So what? So the club delayed a statement on Sheens. So what? Are we basing all our expectations on 2005? Having tasted caviar, will we not accept any other meal?
Take a look around the comp, think back to the past, and find some perspective!
I clearly remember the crap old Balmain days of the 90s when we were happy with 50% win rate and occasionally knocking off a top team. No money, no marquee players… just a team of battlers who could grind out a win from time to time. Wet weather used to be our best friend! Nobody sponsors, flat crowds and dull football.
Maggies almost got cut in '83, had a flurry in the 90s (as Balmain did in the 80s) but at the back end of the 90s we were both dead in the water. Clubs with a proud 100 year tradition and on the brink of collapse. We merge because we both think we are going to be cut from the comp, such is our state.
Even then, flush with cash, early 2000s fading in the back half of seasons to miss the 8\. Hoppagate, Craigie, McGuinness/Field drug issues, money poured down the drain.
We might not have made the finals 2012, but this team is still in one of the best positions I've seen it in for my 30 years of support. As Kul noted, we can attract talent, have a strong roster, good crowds and were quite successful past 3 years as a whole.
This forum got the knives out for Sheens after a bad year, finally got its wish, and now people want to complain about the manner in which it has happened.
Take a look around, the NRL is rife with drama and mistakes. Canterbury almost won the comp and have come undone with biting and swearing at journos. Storm rorting the cap, Cronulla almost went under. Parra sign deadbeats, hoik their coach and CEO in the same year, as do the Roosters. Dragons win a comp and drop down the ladder like a lead weight. Knights have a financially troubled owner and a team that can’t perform on the field. Manly win the comp then sack their coach, coupled with constant board in-fighting. Warriors sack their new coach after one year and the new coach gets publically questioned by players. Broncos have hordes of juniors but can’t get their on-fields right. Gold Coast make some bad investments that almost bring them undone.
The system is cyclical; you have your ups and downs and as long as you get up off the canvas you will live to fight another day. EVERY club has issues.
I personally don’t feel the sacking was handled badly. All the attention it received was just a reflection of the club’s large following and a media frenzy during a time of low content. Open today’s paper and see how much league news there is; the papers will jump on anything at the moment. The club didn’t make an official statement early because of the money Sheens is owed and not having reached an agreement on how that will be handled.
If you were to believe the Telecrap at the time, he quit, then was marched, then was asked to step aside, also having promised to leave. They just stab in the dark, hoping to score a hit. It’s the same with the new coach, talking up Parish, then Walters had it, now Potter apparently has it. Don’t take it to heart, it’s just a trash rag like any Women’s Day or No Idea.
We also couldn’t hook Sheens at any other time. Mid-season and there would have been complaints that he didn’t get a chance to play the season out. He had his year and as soon as the sour ending was confirmed, he was marched.
Let us not forget that Humphreys is the CEO of the Wests Tigers, he is not responsible for the financial position of Balmain.
So we haven’t rushed into signing a coach. So what? So the club delayed a statement on Sheens. So what? Are we basing all our expectations on 2005? Having tasted caviar, will we not accept any other meal?
Take a look around the comp, think back to the past, and find some perspective!
Joel Helmes
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Nicely said Jirskyr
agreed.
There is always room for improvement and no one is saying that some things have gone wrong, but to say that we have gone backwards is wrong.
There is always room for improvement and no one is saying that some things have gone wrong, but to say that we have gone backwards is wrong.
Fade_To_Black
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@jirskyr said:
Really? Wow, I don't think it could of been handled any worse if they had tried. It was a balls-up from start to finish and painted the club in a really bad and amateur light IMO. Having to pay close to 1 million to a bloke that is not even going to be involved with WT next season is lunacy. Disgracefully handled that is for certain.
innsaneink
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Funny how some seem to see the WTs as a natural smooth progression from pre JV to post
I always see it as two distinct different items/eras
I didnt expect anything much then
I expect a lot now…we all do, we all should, before it wasnt professional, now its sposed to be
People look at balmain & Wests and use it as an argument FOR wts....their prerogative I suppose, I cant do that
I always see it as two distinct different items/eras
I didnt expect anything much then
I expect a lot now…we all do, we all should, before it wasnt professional, now its sposed to be
People look at balmain & Wests and use it as an argument FOR wts....their prerogative I suppose, I cant do that
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tits_magee
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The tile of this thread is misleading. I thought it was referring to the magpies
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weststigers4life
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@innsaneink said:
Great post,
I never expected to make the semis/win grand finals before the joint venture, were as now I believe with this squad we should at least make the semis & trying to take advantage of our squads window of opportunity to win another grand final. Very disappointing season but looking forward to how some of our poorer performers this season go under a new coach next year.
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foreveratiger
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Jirskyr very well put together , people forget the old days . Every club has there problems even the players of the Australian team :laughing: . Those Queenslanders are dead set rude and arrogant , there turn will come when it will swing in our favour.
I appreciate the opinion put forward Jirskyr, but the reality is that when you've had a taste for success it will change your perspective. Given our position in 2010/2011 and our squad coming into this year, there was no excuse to finish where we did.
The old days are special for me now, those times that Balmain knocked off a top team, they did it because they punched above their weight, we possess one of the strongest rosters in terms of talent, we shouldn't tolerate poor attitude.
The old days are special for me now, those times that Balmain knocked off a top team, they did it because they punched above their weight, we possess one of the strongest rosters in terms of talent, we shouldn't tolerate poor attitude.
happy_tiger
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@foreveratiger said:
What has Qld go to do with this ?? :crazy :roll
bigsiro
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Ahh, the old days; 'special' is not exactly how I would describe them…let's just say it was a better weekend if Mick Gillett put in (I think jirskyr's description of those days as "crap" is more apt). Anyway times have changed since the 90's and it's a far cry from when Wests and Balmain just made up the numbers. No-one makes up numbers now, it's a great comp and anyone can win really.
But I have to say, regardless of how much caviar we may have tasted we should always have high expectations and be disappointed if they are not met. We should not accept mediocrity and should hope to never have to punch above our weight, that is for other teams to do.
foreveratiger
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@happy tiger said:
Your right it's got nothing to do with it , thought i would add it as part of the title to the thread :laughing:
1974semifinal
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Grand Final Winners 2005..unexpected, but is this the start of something ???
2006 2007 2008 2009 nothing…..Sheens should have been booted then.
2010 2011 semis..
2012 A disaster.
So what has Humpty given us , a couple of semi final appearances. , the disruption with the Moltzen contract fiasco.
Ridding us of players to accomodate the worst signing I have ever seen. Now two more first grade players dumped , with more controversy with contracts. He signs Sheens to a massive deal on the back of two semi final appearances without looking at how the team has been managed since 2005.
According to reports the Wests Tigers finances are not in good shape..why ? Ask the CEO.
Did this man get this job because of his name ? Can someone provide his career path , I cannot access him on Linkedin. Who is he ?
2006 2007 2008 2009 nothing…..Sheens should have been booted then.
2010 2011 semis..
2012 A disaster.
So what has Humpty given us , a couple of semi final appearances. , the disruption with the Moltzen contract fiasco.
Ridding us of players to accomodate the worst signing I have ever seen. Now two more first grade players dumped , with more controversy with contracts. He signs Sheens to a massive deal on the back of two semi final appearances without looking at how the team has been managed since 2005.
According to reports the Wests Tigers finances are not in good shape..why ? Ask the CEO.
Did this man get this job because of his name ? Can someone provide his career path , I cannot access him on Linkedin. Who is he ?
iam very concerned about the current position the WT are in the magpies have cash with two leagues clubs and several other club interests golf clubs ect yet we have the other half of the marriage in dire straights its no good pointing the finger at anyone now that we are in deep trouble we have to stand together and vote at elections of board nominees to get the right people to run our interests the board has been top heavy with balmain people since day one and still is we need professionals with at least with equal interest of both clubs.
well said and let us have some equal numbers on the board instead of a top heavy number of balmain people after all at the moment the west magpies have all the dollars yet battle to even have the magpie logo on a footy Guernsey with out being to harsh wests have two leagues clubs and two golf clubs going fine where due to circumstances balmain have only five dock bowling club please dont get me wrong i am all for the franchise but a fair go would be good go tigers.
sheer64
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I am concerned with a club that seems to have too many chiefs and not enough indians! Turn the pyramid upside down and then cut the bottom off and we be better off. As for Sheens let him take us to court! Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. Potter will be twice the coach he was this season! We need direction from one spokesperson from the board and let the coach control the players. Humpty and Sheens should share the cab ride out!
@weststigers4life said:
I've heard the same thing. In fact I'm sure I read it was a regular thing until someone suggested it wasn't really in the spirit of the salary cap.
iofthetigers
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Who knows the club may know exactly what it is doing,the problem is the innuendo in the press. There doesn't appear to be any info leaks which is also good. Unfortunately being such a well supported club there is a lot of interest at what is happening & if the journos know nothing they will make it up.I much prefer the board to take their time(as frustrating as it is) & get the right coach rather than jump straight into it like the warriors.
