Adam Doueihi #227

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol

Seems that way hobbo

 

[Russell]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol

Seems that way hobbo

What is wrong with you two?

According to you there are two of us that think AD is worth the asking price or that we are his relatives.

We are not allowed to express our thoughts and opinions - only you and Hobbo are allowed that luxury. Maybe we are only allowed to have a say if it is the same as yours.

Well it isn't - and on an open Forum we are allowed our say - hopefully without being ridiculed in the future.

 

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol

Seems that way hobbo

What is wrong with you two?

According to you there are two of us that think AD is worth the asking price or that we are his relatives.

We are not allowed to express our thoughts and opinions - only you and Hobbo are allowed that luxury. Maybe we are only allowed to have a say if it is the same as yours.

Well it isn't - and on an open Forum we are allowed our say - hopefully without being ridiculed in the future.

Sorry Captain Sensitive :joy:

 

[Russell]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol

Seems that way hobbo

What is wrong with you two?

According to you there are two of us that think AD is worth the asking price or that we are his relatives.

We are not allowed to express our thoughts and opinions - only you and Hobbo are allowed that luxury. Maybe we are only allowed to have a say if it is the same as yours.

Well it isn't - and on an open Forum we are allowed our say - hopefully without being ridiculed in the future.

Sorry Captain Sensitive :joy:

I would have expected that response and I got it. Thanks for the apology.

 

[2041]

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.


We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

For our supporters, sponsors and attractiveness to potential signings we absolutely must make the 8 this year. To finish 9th again or drop down the table is unacceptable. This is especially so after the largesse we have to spend on players. Have we addressed the no 1 shortcoming in our roster.psce? In my view at this stage no. We will have to see the players signed from now.

Reforms to juniors and pathways can still be achieved while the NRL team makes the 8. The club has done well this year at juniortalenr recruitment.


We've survived since 2011 without making the eight - what's different about this year that makes it so vital? The Titans finished 8th in 2016 and immediately got knocked out of the finals by Brisbane. Did that suddenly make them a more appealing option for top players looking to build successful careers? Do you think their fans think that season makes what's come since worthwhile, or that it makes the Titans a more successful club than, well, anyone really?

All I want as a Tigers fan is to win a premiership. That's a long way off right not, but the path to achieving it is building a great roster from the ground up. It's certainly not wasting cap flexibility in support of a one-off push to scrape into the eight with a bunch of ok players on dumb contracts.

You and I both know the Tigers aren't going to have a roster in 2020 that has a plausible chance of winning the comp - that's why you're already fixated on scraping into the eight. It would be different if you were saying "we're so close to winning the comp, I don't care if this signing hurts us down the track because I believe it could get us over the line in 2020". But you're not - you're saying the value of being in the finals (once, and not for long) is so great that it's worth sacrificing decent cap management to achieve. I just can't buy that

I just don't like making a habit of not making the 8. Make the 8 and anything can happen (as occurred in 2005), plus the exposure the club, its sponsors and most importantly players will receive is beneficial.. We have some really good young players coming through but we need more. I have my fingers crossed that JAC will be back with Wts.

I 100% feel your frustration, don't get me wrong. But I honestly think the club is starting to do things right for the long term - junior recruitment, the COE, being disciplined around free agency. So I'm prepared to suck up one more mediocre season on the park if it helps us be competitive, with a genuine chance of winning the comp, from 2021 onwards. What I'm terrified of is that we come 12th this year then panic and do either or both of sacking Maguire or making another bunch of dumb moves in free agency.

Leilua shows that decent players become available, for reasonable salaries, if you're prepared to be patient. If our coach doesn't think Doueihi is worth 500-600k a year for four seasons I'm fine to wait until someone comes up who is worth it. Remember how we missed out on DWZ last season because we couldn't make the cap work? Well I'd rather be ready for the next opportunity like that than go overboard now to sign a guy just because he happens to be best available at this moment.

 

[The-moP]

Rumours he has signed with the Rorters now.

If he has it means the rumour about Teddy is true .. !!

 

[The_Patriot]

Is anybody at the club looking at him as this years 5/8. On the money he wants it would seem a pretty good use of the salary cap.

Benji god love him wont be here forever. Why not play Doueihi at 5/8 and use Benji at hooker? Players like this dont grow on trees.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Talau may well be our 5/8 next year

 

[Guest]

Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

 

[851]

Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

I think Liddle will get over taken by Simpkin, and will be in CC until his contract runs out

 

[851]

Is anybody at the club looking at him as this years 5/8. On the money he wants it would seem a pretty good use of the salary cap.

Benji god love him wont be here forever. Why not play Doueihi at 5/8 and use Benji at hooker? Players like this dont grow on trees.

I could live with that, 5/8th is his position

 

[Guest]

Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

He's still months away, second half of the season prospect.

I think Liddle will get over taken by Simpkin, and will be in CC until his contract runs out

A lot will depend on how Simpkin settles into the NRL. He's got a good build on him and the physical attributes are there.

 

[jirskyr]

ET would be 180cm max and about 95kg. He also gives away more penalties than any other player. His time is up, I’m afraid.

Gosh so lazy, it would take you 2 minutes to do the proper research - 190 cm and 101 kg. ET is far bigger than you might think, that means he's almost 6'3".

 

[jirskyr]

ET gets penalised for not getting to his feet at marker. He's usually not interfering but it just looks like he is. Not fair, but stupid thing to do. Why he keeps doing it is beyond me. Too much NFL watching maybe. I prefer Eiso personally.

I want to make a point that ET gets penalised half the time because he's one of the few forwards continually working at the wrestle and the ruck.

He's much maligned, but someone has to try and stop the opposition's momentum, which has often been a struggle for Tigers, to arrest the periodic dominance of the opposition.

Obviously ET gets it wrong at times as well, but I would put it too you that if the Tigers weren't getting bent back through the middle so often in games, ET would not need to work the ruck over so often, sometimes excessively.

It's like Bryce Gibbs - so many fans considered him a boofhead who often gave away penalties, but if you watched him closely, you'd see he gave away penalties instead of allowing line breaks, or when he felt we were being bent back and needed to reset the defence. Old Bryce was ahead of his time for intentional penalties.

 

[Aesopian]

ET would be 180cm max and about 95kg. He also gives away more penalties than any other player. His time is up, I’m afraid.

Gosh so lazy, it would take you 2 minutes to do the proper research - 190 cm and 101 kg. ET is far bigger than you might think, that means he's almost 6'3".

If ET was wearing 4 inch heels he'd be close to 6'3.

That's a typo on the Tigers website

 

[innsaneink]

ET gets penalised for not getting to his feet at marker. He's usually not interfering but it just looks like he is. Not fair, but stupid thing to do. Why he keeps doing it is beyond me. Too much NFL watching maybe. I prefer Eiso personally.

I want to make a point that ET gets penalised half the time because he's one of the few forwards continually working at the wrestle and the ruck.

He's much maligned, but someone has to try and stop the opposition's momentum, which has often been a struggle for Tigers, to arrest the periodic dominance of the opposition.

Obviously ET gets it wrong at times as well, but I would put it too you that if the Tigers weren't getting bent back through the middle so often in games, ET would not need to work the ruck over so often, sometimes excessively.

It's like Bryce Gibbs - so many fans considered him a boofhead who often gave away penalties, but if you watched him closely, you'd see he gave away penalties instead of allowing line breaks, or when he felt we were being bent back and needed to reset the defence. Old Bryce was ahead of his time for intentional penalties.

Good post... I call them breather penalties... "boys need a bit of a breather"

 

[weststigers]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol

Seems that way hobbo

What is wrong with you two?

According to you there are two of us that think AD is worth the asking price or that we are his relatives.

We are not allowed to express our thoughts and opinions - only you and Hobbo are allowed that luxury. Maybe we are only allowed to have a say if it is the same as yours.

Well it isn't - and on an open Forum we are allowed our say - hopefully without being ridiculed in the future.

Sorry Captain Sensitive :joy:

I would have expected that response and I got it. Thanks for the apology.

No one ridiculed you...until you played the victim card. I disagree with you and you disagree with me...Have your say as much as you want, but being an open forum, I can disagree with you as well.

My issue is that you haven't justified why Doueihi is worth the price tag. You haven't made your argument.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Jock Madden could be our 5/8 who knows

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

exactly jock madden tommy talau who knows who our 5/ 8 will be
i do suspect our hookers might be later in the year walters and simpkin poor old liddle might be in reggies and looking for a new club

 

[twentyforty]

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.


We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

For our supporters, sponsors and attractiveness to potential signings we absolutely must make the 8 this year. To finish 9th again or drop down the table is unacceptable. This is especially so after the largesse we have to spend on players. Have we addressed the no 1 shortcoming in our roster.psce? In my view at this stage no. We will have to see the players signed from now.

Reforms to juniors and pathways can still be achieved while the NRL team makes the 8. The club has done well this year at juniortalenr recruitment.


We've survived since 2011 without making the eight - what's different about this year that makes it so vital? The Titans finished 8th in 2016 and immediately got knocked out of the finals by Brisbane. Did that suddenly make them a more appealing option for top players looking to build successful careers? Do you think their fans think that season makes what's come since worthwhile, or that it makes the Titans a more successful club than, well, anyone really?

All I want as a Tigers fan is to win a premiership. That's a long way off right not, but the path to achieving it is building a great roster from the ground up. It's certainly not wasting cap flexibility in support of a one-off push to scrape into the eight with a bunch of ok players on dumb contracts.

You and I both know the Tigers aren't going to have a roster in 2020 that has a plausible chance of winning the comp - that's why you're already fixated on scraping into the eight. It would be different if you were saying "we're so close to winning the comp, I don't care if this signing hurts us down the track because I believe it could get us over the line in 2020". But you're not - you're saying the value of being in the finals (once, and not for long) is so great that it's worth sacrificing decent cap management to achieve. I just can't buy that

I’m sorry 2041, you may be one ahead of me but I disagree. We definitely need to make the 8. Preferably top 4 but I’ll be happy with a top 6 spot. You can’t win a GF from 9th spot, we’ve tried that. I think this team is good enough.