Adam Doueihi #227

[The-moP]

There is a post this morning from the third who seems well informed suggesting South's need forwards not more backs so it is unlikely they have JAC as a target...

That statement means the opposite .. it means they are absolutely after JAC .. they said the same about LM and still got him .. ;-)

 

[bptiger]

I know a lot will disagree but the club should have got Robbie to play for us for 5 months, till Liddell is ready to play again. What we have is not going to cut the mustard and will cost us games, just like goal kicking killed us last year, and will do the same again this year.

 

[simonthetiger]

Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

There is a post this morning from the third who seems well informed suggesting South's need forwards not more backs so it is unlikely they have JAC as a target...

That statement means the opposite .. it means they are absolutely after JAC .. they said the same about LM and still got him .. ;-)

The post was from one of our forum.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

Pretty much sums up his career to this point “can’t be that far off”

 

[Sart0ri]

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

 

[happy_tiger]

You need at least one person defending in that middle third with some mobility as well as some defensive capabilities / completion rates

 

[pawsandclaws1]

You need at least one person defending in that middle third with some mobility as well as some defensive capabilities / completion rates

We have a younger player whom may be better than both these two

 

[tigerballs]

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

ET would be 180cm max and about 95kg. He also gives away more penalties than any other player. His time is up, I'm afraid.

 

[Geo]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

Really..what does Corey Thompson think.?...as he re-signed recently for less than he was offered by Penrith..

 

[Russell]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

And that is why, usually we don't get these guys with talent.

Oh well! lets go for a 30 yo for 700k. Sheesh!!!!!

Where have the Tigers offered a 30 year old $700k under Madge?

We've been really good in the player market under Madge and Hartigan in my opinion. Yes, things have moved slowly, but our signings are well thought out and bring value for money.

We've still got fairly big dollars in the bank compared to other clubs and when June 30 rolls around, Madge knows we are the only club in the market with money to spend. I for one hope he holds onto the cash, because when the time comes, we'll be in the box seat to sign them by default.

We can only hold onto 500k - the rest we have to spend of Turdburg will fine us.

It maybe enough for JAC, it may not and he may rather join his indigenous brothers at Souffs.

 

[Russell]

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

350k for this year is less than Jennings - say no more.

 

[supercoach]

Re hooker Jacob Liddle starting running today.....surely he cant be that far off. 7 weeks till they start.

You would like to think so, but I doubt you will see him ready for FG till mid June. With his history they will take no chances

 

[2041]

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.

We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

 

[Russell]

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

I'd let Eisenhuth go - I don't know about playing lock.

Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.

Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.

Not worth a bean!

 

[Spartan117]

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

100% - Look how the last decade has worked out for us.

Packer, Mats, Rrey, Mbye, McQueen alone were all longer and higher than they should have been.

I see real potential in AD and want him here, just not at any cost

 

[Nelson]

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

Tackle efficiency doesn't tell the whole story. ET sets the line speed and initiates a lot of contact, which is going to result in more missed tackles. He is also a dominant wrestler whereas Eisenhuth is not. In my view ET is clearly the superior defender, although he has either lost his timing or the referees have lost patience with him in terms of holding down - he's getting penalised too much.

 

[Russell]

Even with Joey Brooks will need to win the Dally M player of the year for the WTs to see the finals

The other issue is no matter who plays 9 from our current fit roster Elijah Taylor has to play 13 to cover for the defensive deficiency we will have

Eisenhuth would seem to be the better defensive Lock based on 2019 stats, he also offers more in attack

ET
Games 15
Height 190cm
Weight 101kg
Tackles Made 515
Tackle Efficiency 91.1
Av running Metres 66.4
Offloads 0
Tackle Breaks 6

Eisenhuth
Games 21
Height 197cm
Weight 110kg
Tackles Made 733
Tackle Efficiency 92.5
Av running Metres 93.5
Offloads 9
Tackle Breaks 12

Tackle efficiency doesn't tell the whole story. ET sets the line speed and initiates a lot of contact, which is going to result in more missed tackles. He is also a dominant wrestler whereas Eisenhuth is not. In my view ET is clearly the superior defender, although he has either lost his timing or the referees have lost patience with him in terms of holding down - he's getting penalised too much.

Agree but we have no one else that has been capable of holding down and slowing down the ptb. Think the refs are too hard on him as opposed to others. Especially if you time the holding down. ET is hard done by.