Adam Doueihi #227

@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/
 
@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107804) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/



@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107804) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/

Maybe I was watching someone else - don't think so though.

Still would not have him in my team afraid - then again I don't have to, he is in yours.
 
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107805) said:
@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107804) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/



@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107804) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/

Maybe I was watching someone else - don't think so though.

Still would not have him in my team afraid - then again I don't have to, he is in yours.

And Maguire's funnily enough..

What would he know..
 
@Geo said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107806) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107805) said:
@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107804) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/



@Sart0ri said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107804) said:
@Russell said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107798) said:
I’d let Eisenhuth go - I don’t know about playing lock.
Look at all the stats you like - he is not a patch on ET imo.
Lopes to the line - gains 5-6 metres and then gets pushed back 3-4 metres.
Not worth a bean!

Yes, the stats show up people that make ridiculous claims.

In 2019 he averaged 9.7 hit-ups and 93.5 metres per game, which is 9.4 metres per run. He also made 699.6 post contact metres.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/teams/telstra-premiership/wests-tigers/matthew-eisenhuth/

Maybe I was watching someone else - don't think so though.

Still would not have him in my team afraid - then again I don't have to, he is in yours.

And Maguire's funnily enough..

What would he know..

Doesn't mean he is right, funnily enough.

Look at Jennings in 2019 - absolutely pathetic.
Change his position from winger to parasite.
 
ET gets penalised for not getting to his feet at marker. He's usually not interfering but it just looks like he is. Not fair, but stupid thing to do. Why he keeps doing it is beyond me. Too much NFL watching maybe. I prefer Eiso personally.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107782) said:
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107759) said:
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107666) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107662) said:
@tiga4eva said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107658) said:
Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.
 
@2041 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107796) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107780) said:
@2041 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107765) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107759) said:
Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.


We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

For our supporters, sponsors and attractiveness to potential signings we absolutely must make the 8 this year. To finish 9th again or drop down the table is unacceptable. This is especially so after the largesse we have to spend on players. Have we addressed the no 1 shortcoming in our roster.psce? In my view at this stage no. We will have to see the players signed from now.

Reforms to juniors and pathways can still be achieved while the NRL team makes the 8. The club has done well this year at juniortalenr recruitment.
 
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107823) said:
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@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107772) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107768) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107761) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107759) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107742) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107666) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107662) said:
@tiga4eva said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107658) said:
Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

Doohey must have a few relatives on here
500k lololololol
 
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107823) said:
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@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107761) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107759) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107742) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107666) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107662) said:
@tiga4eva said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107658) said:
Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

No go over the 100. Absolute pace gives you a tremendous advantage over your opponent. Who would you want on the wings, Nofa and Jennings or JAC and Korobeite?
 
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107666) said:
@weststigers said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107662) said:
@tiga4eva said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107658) said:
Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

No go over the 100. Absolute pace gives you a tremendous advantage over your opponent. Who would you want on the wings, Nofa and Jennings or JAC and Korobeite?

I'd take Richards and Tuiaki and neither had blistering pace. The quality of the player matters more.

Edit... from current players JAC is the pick but that's because is a good winger first and foremost, the pace makes him elite
 
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Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

No go over the 100. Absolute pace gives you a tremendous advantage over your opponent. Who would you want on the wings, Nofa and Jennings or JAC and Korobeite?

I'd take Richards and Tuiaki and neither had blistering pace. The quality of the player matters more.

Edit... from current players JAC is the pick but that's because is a good winger first and foremost, the pace makes him elite

His pace allows him to create opportunities that other wingers cannot because they do not have it. It also allows him to cover in defence not only on his opposing winger but also his centre.![alt text](image url)
 
Pace is one of many attributes a winger needs but it is not the only thing. Aerial defence, aerial attack, positional defence, 1-on-1 defence, evasiveness, acceleration, hit-ups early in the tackle count, backing up breaks, tackle busting ability.

A good team needs a mix of skills. Daniel Toupou has an advantage in the air so you make that part of your game plan, you don't replace him with fastest guy you can find.
 
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@2041 said in [Adam Doueihi](/post/1107765) said:
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Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.


We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

For our supporters, sponsors and attractiveness to potential signings we absolutely must make the 8 this year. To finish 9th again or drop down the table is unacceptable. This is especially so after the largesse we have to spend on players. Have we addressed the no 1 shortcoming in our roster.psce? In my view at this stage no. We will have to see the players signed from now.

Reforms to juniors and pathways can still be achieved while the NRL team makes the 8. The club has done well this year at juniortalenr recruitment.


We've survived since 2011 without making the eight - what's different about this year that makes it so vital? The Titans finished 8th in 2016 and immediately got knocked out of the finals by Brisbane. Did that suddenly make them a more appealing option for top players looking to build successful careers? Do you think their fans think that season makes what's come since worthwhile, or that it makes the Titans a more successful club than, well, anyone really?

All I want as a Tigers fan is to win a premiership. That's a long way off right not, but the path to achieving it is building a great roster from the ground up. It's certainly not wasting cap flexibility in support of a one-off push to scrape into the eight with a bunch of ok players on dumb contracts.

You and I both know the Tigers aren't going to have a roster in 2020 that has a plausible chance of winning the comp - that's why you're already fixated on scraping into the eight. It would be different if you were saying "we're so close to winning the comp, I don't care if this signing hurts us down the track because I believe it could get us over the line in 2020". But you're not - you're saying the value of being in the finals (once, and not for long) is so great that it's worth sacrificing decent cap management to achieve. I just can't buy that
 
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Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

350k for this year is less than Jennings - say no more.

At $350k, I don't think anyone has an issue with the signing, but it's not $350k per year...it's much more than that after year 1
 
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Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He's not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He's got work to do before he's worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don't want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don't agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It's well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn't overpaid imo, but I guess that's debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I've said is that at $500k, he's overpaid....You've illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he's on $500k or $550k, he's being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as "way overpaid".

If you're suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I'd point you to his attacking stats...2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?

1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It's hard for us because we always pay overs because we're an unattractive club. It's fine to say we won't pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you're after then we're no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it's not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That's not big money.

I'm all for JAC...he's a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer...if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don't mind if it's for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I'm sorry, but I just can't cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama's contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

What's your beef with Nofoaluma? Do you believe he's overpaid?

As far as CT goes, I'm the first one to say that he plays well above his pay packet, but he was offered a contract and he signed it, so he must be ok with it. Again, great work by the club for getting a guy like Corey for $200k.

The more I read posts in this thread, it seems it's only you and Russell who believe Doueihi is worth the $500k+ he's asking. On top of that, you can't point to anything to justify the price tag other than he is young, has potential and can play multiple positions. If that qualifies you for half a mill, then I'll eat my hat.

I repeat...30 games, 2 tries, 3 try assists. Many of those matches he played in the halves, so it makes the stats look even worse.

His Canturbury Cup stats aren't much better...

Trust the Coach. We can get better for the money, and even you and Russell will be happy. This won't be the one that got away.

No go over the 100. Absolute pace gives you a tremendous advantage over your opponent. Who would you want on the wings, Nofa and Jennings or JAC and Korobeite?

For the record...JAC is a yes from me. Korobeite isn't even available so not sure what to say on that one.

Nofoaluma isn't that slow mate...he also gets us off to a big start coming out of our end...makes plenty of metres. There's 2 types of winger...speedy like JAC and strong metre eaters like Noffa...they are 2 different types of player. Not sure how the wing spot relates to my argument on Doueihi though...

Back on Doueihi after that segway...
 
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Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs


So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn't really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.


We absolutely don't "need" to make the top eight this year, and we especially don't need to do so if the price to be paid for squeaking into 7th-8th position is mortgaging what the club is building. What we do "need" to do is keep showing discipline on the contracts we give out and investing in the foundations that will build sustainable success in future (basically: young players, youth development and facilities).

I personally don't have a particularly strong take on Doueihi. What I've seen of him didn't massively impress, but that's not much and I know some better informed people than I rate him fairly highly. He is, however, on a pretty big contract for a largely unproven player and if Maguire isn't convinced he's worth going big for that's good enough for me.

Absolutely the last thing we ought to be doing is giving out big, long-term contracts to players on the basis that they may be slightly better than what we have now, only to then find that we can't sign or re-sign actually good players a year or two down the track because we've got most of our cap tied up in mediocrities.

For our supporters, sponsors and attractiveness to potential signings we absolutely must make the 8 this year. To finish 9th again or drop down the table is unacceptable. This is especially so after the largesse we have to spend on players. Have we addressed the no 1 shortcoming in our roster.psce? In my view at this stage no. We will have to see the players signed from now.

Reforms to juniors and pathways can still be achieved while the NRL team makes the 8. The club has done well this year at juniortalenr recruitment.


We've survived since 2011 without making the eight - what's different about this year that makes it so vital? The Titans finished 8th in 2016 and immediately got knocked out of the finals by Brisbane. Did that suddenly make them a more appealing option for top players looking to build successful careers? Do you think their fans think that season makes what's come since worthwhile, or that it makes the Titans a more successful club than, well, anyone really?

All I want as a Tigers fan is to win a premiership. That's a long way off right not, but the path to achieving it is building a great roster from the ground up. It's certainly not wasting cap flexibility in support of a one-off push to scrape into the eight with a bunch of ok players on dumb contracts.

You and I both know the Tigers aren't going to have a roster in 2020 that has a plausible chance of winning the comp - that's why you're already fixated on scraping into the eight. It would be different if you were saying "we're so close to winning the comp, I don't care if this signing hurts us down the track because I believe it could get us over the line in 2020". But you're not - you're saying the value of being in the finals (once, and not for long) is so great that it's worth sacrificing decent cap management to achieve. I just can't buy that

I just don't like making a habit of not making the 8. Make the 8 and anything can happen (as occurred in 2005), plus the exposure the club, its sponsors and most importantly players will receive is beneficial.. We have some really good young players coming through but we need more. I have my fingers crossed that JAC will be back with Wts.
 
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