Adam Doueihi #227

[Chunk]

You also cant unlearn entitlement and selfishness

Yes true but I really hope that he does learn something out of all of this because its our/my Wests Tigers that needs to reap the benefits of a firing AD

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I would be very happy if the club let AD move on and we buy volkman

 

[innsaneink]

Yes true but I really hope that he does learn something out of all of this because its our/my Wests Tigers that needs to reap the benefits of a firing AD

Well.if he swallowed some pride, got some humility he could be an asset and a real team.player but i dont see it.
He talks.the talk...thats all

 

[Tim Sheens]

We need a six or a seven that has a kicking game. Maden is about 20m short of a decent kicking game and lacks the variation in the type of kicks he uses. Although it is nice to have a seven that feeds his outside backs rather than crabs across the paddock. Great win today, but our team still needs plenty of reinforcements for next year to be competitive over the full season

Agreed, though I thought his kicking was no less effective than the repetetive longer bombs of the previous several games, with the stab kick for himself with Herbert to nail them deep in the corner as perfect for that period of the match. Halting their momentum and the kick of the match.

 

[achilles]

Pretty telling we now get a win

 

[supercoach]

Agreed, though I thought his kicking was no less effective than the repetetive longer bombs of the previous several games, with the stab kick for himself with Herbert to nail them deep in the corner as perfect for that period of the match. Halting their momentum and the kick of the match.

I guess with any kicking game it is as good as the kick chase. Yes I agree the old kick and pray tactics we have been using for the bulk of the season has failed big time. I just think with a quality kicking game with a good chase you can strangle a team out of the contest by continuing to win field position.

AD has a big boot, but he doesn’t seem to have a plan to kick for corners rather he just kicks and hopes

 

[NT_Tiger]

The thing with AD though is he has the skills and talent, more then any of our other halves

If he can learn to play more of a 'team' role then he could become very good.

You can learn that but you can't learn talent

Yes he has skills, but he is not a half. Desire is not enough, especially for WT. We need a half and he isnt it.

 

[hank37w]

"I'll play in the front row if Benji wanted me to"

Team first.

If it suits me at the time. 🤣

 

[hank37w]

Just don’t tell me Madden is our 7 going forward !

Agree, shit kicking game as well but I think Jock and the last 15 years are proof that Doueihi is not a half back and that one of the key elements that have been missing all this time is a half back.

 

[Jolls]

AD has a big boot, but he doesn’t seem to have a plan to kick for corners rather he just kicks and hopes

Spot on he has a big boot but absolutely no control or accuracy. Jock has produced much better general kicking games than yesterday in both depth and accuracy. With the way his goal kicking was affected as well I am left wondering if he is still hampered a bit by the nut injury.

 

[hank37w]

We need a six or a seven that has a kicking game. Maden is about 20m short of a decent kicking game and lacks the variation in the type of kicks he uses. Although it is nice to have a seven that feeds his outside backs rather than crabs across the paddock. Great win today, but our team still needs plenty of reinforcements for next year to be competitive over the full season

Agree, and early in the season when Jock was playing and we were winning some games, we were rolling forward and putting him in a position where he was kicking from much closer in and it looked like he had a good kicking game.

Doueihi was there to look after the longer kicks when required, unfortunately a good long kicking game is just one more thing that Jock does not possess.

 

[hank37w]

Fair enough, I get what you mean but this is just one of those differences of opinion, I've seen him throw quite a number of good balls. Consistency is needed of course.

I've seen him throw a few into row 5 as well, that is when he has actually decided to pass.

 

[jadtiger]

I've seen him throw a few into row 5 as well, that is when he has actually decided to pass.

He lacks precision in virtually everything he does,passing and general kicking (goal kicking being the exception).His best asset is his ungainly powerful running style but that has never been the main feature of a 7.

 

[tonza]

Spot on he has a big boot but absolutely no control or accuracy. Jock has produced much better general kicking games than yesterday in both depth and accuracy. With the way his goal kicking was affected as well I am left wondering if he is still hampered a bit by the nut injury.

I am sure it he was. He also straightens the attack and then passes to give his outside men a little room.

 

[tonza]

He lacks precision in virtually everything he does,passing and general kicking (goal kicking being the exception).His best asset is his ungainly powerful running style but that has never been the main feature of a 7.

He can do that from second row or lock.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Douehi has a place in the team in the centres. Having height in the backline also offers obvious advantages both in attack and defence. Douehi being able to kick long or offer those huge spiraling bombs cannot be ignored.

 

[Strider]

Agree with the kicking game, it isn't good enough, but the way Adam plays isn't worth it (at seven).

Adam wrecks our attack and leads to fewer attacking chances for those around him. He ends up scoring some tries through individual efforts etc and at the end we say 'oh he was one of the best in a losing side'. He is very much like Galvin.

Happy for Adam to play 6 or Andrews. I thought he had a decent kicking game in the 1 game he played.

 

[Jolls]

Douehi has a place in the team in the centres. Having height in the backline also offers obvious advantages both in attack and defence. Douehi being able to kick long or offer those huge spiraling bombs cannot be ignored.

We also can't ignore the fact that his lateral defence is shocking and as a centre has routinely been responsible for about 12 points a game for the oppostion. He is a liability at centre and lacks the skills required of a 7 (below average passing game and too one out).

A move to the middle means that the defensive decision making and lateral movement required in defence is significantly reduced. 13 plays to his strenghts, his running game and his ability to play as a link.

There are two inter-related things that stand in the way of AD transitioning to 13 and being a success.

• The first is his ego. While he talks up his leadership and his skill he has demonstrated, on many occasions, that he has significant deficiencies in both areas. Fading in and out of games, taking the hero option instead of sticking to defensive structure and him constantly talking about himself as a leader are three that come to mind off the top of my head. True leaders don't talk about their leadership - they do it and others talk about it.
• The second thing is his pea heart. Chosing to pick up his mouthguard over staying in the defensive line, the arm grabbing, walking out on his team mates, and leaking misinformation to the press just to name a few.

If he has a long hard look in the mirror, and I suggest that would only happen if Benji has and open and honest chat with him, and then, mindful of his weaknesses, knuckles down and puts effort into making the 13 his, he has a place at Wests Tigers. If not he should initiate a move elsewhere for the benefit of both parties.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We also can't ignore the fact that his lateral defence is shocking and as a centre has routinely been responsible for about 12 points a game for the oppostion. He is a liability at centre and lacks the skills required of a 7 (below average passing game and too one out).

A move to the middle means that the defensive decision making and lateral movement required in defence is significantly reduced. 13 plays to his strenghts, his running game and his ability to play as a link).

There are two inter-related things that stand in the way of AD transitioning to 13 and being a success.

• The first is his ego. While he talks up his leadership and his skill he has demonstrated, on many occasions that he has significant deficiencies in both areas. Fading in and out of games, taking the hero option instead of sticking to defensive structure and him constantly talking about himself as a leader. True leaders don't talk about their leadership - they do it and others talk about it.
• The second thing is his pea heart. Chosing to pick up his mouthguard over staying in the defensive line, the arm grabbing, walking out on his team mates, and leaking misinformation to the press just to name a few.

If he has a long hard look in the mirror, and I suggest that would only happen if Benji has and open and honest chat with him, and then, mindful of his weaknesses, knuckles down and puts effort into making the 13 his he has a place at Wests Tigers going forward. If not he should initiate a move elsewhere for the benefit of both parties.

You cannot force a player to leave if he does not want it. He'd be in our starting 13 now if fit, the only question is where. I'd suggest the centres instead of Saukuru.

 

[Jolls]

You cannot force a player to leave if he does not want it. He'd be in our starting 13 now if fit, the only question is where. I'd suggest the centres instead of Saukuru.

I'm not suggesting we force him to leave, he needs to make that decsion. I agree that right now, if he was fit, him at centre in place of Sakuru would be his best postion. Both of them have defensive weaknesses.

What I am saying is that he is a big part of our problem; despite being one of our best performing palyers in an underperforming team. A team that in my book is underperfroming as a result of his deficinces as a 7.

His "me first" attitude does not match his skill set and he needs to transition to where his skills are best suited to the team. I also believe that this will not occur unless he acknowledges his deficiencies and adresses them. This isn't going to happen unless someone he respects sits him down and has the hard, but morally right, conversations.

My point was that if he is not prepared to do what is best for the team he should find somewhere else to play for the benefit of both him and Wests Tigers.