Adam Hartigan

[cochise]

Dt reporting another high profile WT administrator in the the firing line.

There’s only one other high profile administrator left!

Could be Pascoe, Lee or another board member.

Could be Sheens, they've finally worked out where the problem is.

I said that this morning lol, sacked before he even gets in the country lol

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Well interesting times in the off season, but I don’t want to hear about a rebuild again!!!
Hartigan did he Also nog fi the review on Madge with Pascoe and Madge kept his job.
At least I have an alternative now with the Dolphins in 2023 if the WT can’t perform.

 

[batboy]


Dennis is the most ridiculous, cartoon figure in a board that is having a lot of attention put on them due to the poor performance of the club in general.

The fact that Dennis looks like a ridiculous cartoon figure doesnt necessarily mean that he is the leaker.

I dont personally know what his performance is as a board member...at all. I have zero clue whether he is an asset or not. I do think he looks ridiculous but I also think people should be free to be themselves.

TLDR.....I'd rather cut board members on the basis of whether they are leaking information rather than how ridiculous they look.


Do you know Dennis’ story?


His brother, Col, was the original drummer for AC/DC. Before that Col was the drummer for Masters Aprentices who, at the time, were the biggest band in Aus. Denny took Glen Wheatley’s place in the Masters Apprentices when he left. He then went to the UK in the seventies and made a name for himself as a session muso, played on tracks for Rod Stewart and Gary Glitter. I don’t know how that prepares him for being an NRL club board member. Probably says it all, really.

Absolutely nothing - and that’s the point…
It’s embarrassing!!
These days he makes a living off overcharging young bands to play in a few venues he has his nose in here and there…
Reckon he’d be doing it rough the last little while…

 

[Tiger5150]


Dennis is the most ridiculous, cartoon figure in a board that is having a lot of attention put on them due to the poor performance of the club in general.

The fact that Dennis looks like a ridiculous cartoon figure doesnt necessarily mean that he is the leaker.

I dont personally know what his performance is as a board member...at all. I have zero clue whether he is an asset or not. I do think he looks ridiculous but I also think people should be free to be themselves.

TLDR.....I'd rather cut board members on the basis of whether they are leaking information rather than how ridiculous they look.

Who are you talking to? I haven't seen any one post he should be sacked because of his looks

In this thread, in the middle of a discussion of who the next administrator who should be punted is and who the leaker is/was, you posted Dennis's photo. I merely said that there is nothing indicating he is the leaker and no information on which he should be punted.

 

[watersider]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

 

[cochise]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

 

[hobbo1]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

Director!

 

[cochise]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

 

[watersider]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

Yeah, I think he had his problems. They never got Benji a halfback, couldn't really put a proper forward pack together consistently, but I just think the way Cleary busted our salary cap with dud signings was as bad as I've ever seen and much worse than what Sheens left us with.

I was mainly against the suggestion that they both left it as bad as each other, when I think there was a big difference in player quality and value between the two of them.

But I agree Sheens was not perfect and had problems. My opinion back then was that sheens should have got one more year.

 

[batboy]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

Yeah, I think he had his problems. They never got Benji a halfback, couldn't really put a proper forward pack together consistently, but I just think the way Cleary busted our salary cap with dud signings was as bad as I've ever seen and much worse than what Sheens left us with.

I was mainly against the suggestion that they both left it as bad as each other, when I think there was a big difference in player quality and value between the two of them.

But I agree Sheens was not perfect and had problems. My opinion back then was that sheens should have got one more year.

It's almost like he spent all out money on purpose - Just to jump ship and go into direct competition with us....
3 Western Sydney Clubs - TRake out the week one and take off to win the comp.

 

[cqtiger]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .


I’m always bewildered at the hate for Sheens. He won us a comp and nearly 3 and all you hear is” he ruined our cap”. Take a look at every premiership team since and all their ungrateful fans are saying the same. It kills me that St George fans still hate Bennett for the state he left the club in. He won the comp when thousands couldn’t! Sheens is famous for finding Noah Nadruka in Fiji, 25 yo Ken Nagas in Moree….he know’s what to do. We’re in good hands.

The first 3 or so years of our decade without success is on Sheens.


You’re kidding, right?

Sheens stuffed our cap on multiple occasions, he backloaded Robbie to the point we had to boot him out of the club.


At about the time he needed to be booted.

He was on $950k because of a very poor deal someone but him on, same happened with Lawrance and who can forget us having to send Fulton to the UK for a year because we couldn't afford him. That is not mentioning Blair etc.


Like I said, the bloke won us our only premiership, came close another couple of times, probably robbed once, and you’re cranking on about a couple of contracts that didn’t work out. What about the contracts that did work out? Anything to say about those? Scott Prince? Paul Whatuira? Shane Elford?

I have a lot of respect for Tim Sheens and what he achieved, but he was sacked for a reason and it was the correct decision. I am very happy to have him back but I am not as happy he has full control. As I have said I will but my faith in him as he is our only opportunity now for success in the short term. Hopefully it works out as I really want a winning footy team.

Glad Sheens is back but he should not have the keys to the kingdom. He certainly needs someone to counterbalance and oversee the spending.

Pretty much where I am too mate, just have to hope it works out. I don't want a flash in the pan success like before, I want long term success.

I think we would have had longer success after 2005 if the Titans weren’t admitted. Scott Prince, Laffranchi and a few others signed on with the Titans before the start of 2006 and their hearts weren’t with the Tigers through 2006.

Scott Prince leaving was massive and we still haven’t recovered from losing that halfback.

 

[jadtiger]

Scott Prince leaving was massive and we still haven’t recovered from losing that halfback

Prince's wife wanted to go back to Qld,after that i doubt there was a possibility he would stay with us

 

[cqtiger]

Scott Prince leaving was massive and we still haven’t recovered from losing that halfback


Prince's wife wanted to go back to Qld,after that i doubt there was a possibility he would stay with us

Yep, I know that and a few years later it was revealed that the Titans ‘gave’ him a house on the strip.

 

[tigertuff]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .


I’m always bewildered at the hate for Sheens. He won us a comp and nearly 3 and all you hear is” he ruined our cap”. Take a look at every premiership team since and all their ungrateful fans are saying the same. It kills me that St George fans still hate Bennett for the state he left the club in. He won the comp when thousands couldn’t! Sheens is famous for finding Noah Nadruka in Fiji, 25 yo Ken Nagas in Moree….he know’s what to do. We’re in good hands.

The first 3 or so years of our decade without success is on Sheens.


You’re kidding, right?

Sheens stuffed our cap on multiple occasions, he backloaded Robbie to the point we had to boot him out of the club.


At about the time he needed to be booted.

He was on $950k because of a very poor deal someone but him on, same happened with Lawrance and who can forget us having to send Fulton to the UK for a year because we couldn't afford him. That is not mentioning Blair etc.


Like I said, the bloke won us our only premiership, came close another couple of times, probably robbed once, and you’re cranking on about a couple of contracts that didn’t work out. What about the contracts that did work out? Anything to say about those? Scott Prince? Paul Whatuira? Shane Elford?

I have a lot of respect for Tim Sheens and what he achieved, but he was sacked for a reason and it was the correct decision. I am very happy to have him back but I am not as happy he has full control. As I have said I will but my faith in him as he is our only opportunity now for success in the short term. Hopefully it works out as I really want a winning footy team.

Glad Sheens is back but he should not have the keys to the kingdom. He certainly needs someone to counterbalance and oversee the spending.

Pretty much where I am too mate, just have to hope it works out. I don't want a flash in the pan success like before, I want long term success.

I think we would have had longer success after 2005 if the Titans weren’t admitted. Scott Prince, Laffranchi and a few others signed on with the Titans before the start of 2006 and their hearts weren’t with the Tigers through 2006.

Scott Prince leaving was massive and we still haven’t recovered from losing that halfback.

Another big one was Simon Dwyer. He was going to be our next Gareth Ellis. He would be potentially still playing now. He was a big loss.

 

[needsanewusername]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .


I’m always bewildered at the hate for Sheens. He won us a comp and nearly 3 and all you hear is” he ruined our cap”. Take a look at every premiership team since and all their ungrateful fans are saying the same. It kills me that St George fans still hate Bennett for the state he left the club in. He won the comp when thousands couldn’t! Sheens is famous for finding Noah Nadruka in Fiji, 25 yo Ken Nagas in Moree….he know’s what to do. We’re in good hands.

The first 3 or so years of our decade without success is on Sheens.


You’re kidding, right?

Sheens stuffed our cap on multiple occasions, he backloaded Robbie to the point we had to boot him out of the club.


At about the time he needed to be booted.

He was on $950k because of a very poor deal someone but him on, same happened with Lawrance and who can forget us having to send Fulton to the UK for a year because we couldn't afford him. That is not mentioning Blair etc.


Like I said, the bloke won us our only premiership, came close another couple of times, probably robbed once, and you’re cranking on about a couple of contracts that didn’t work out. What about the contracts that did work out? Anything to say about those? Scott Prince? Paul Whatuira? Shane Elford?

I have a lot of respect for Tim Sheens and what he achieved, but he was sacked for a reason and it was the correct decision. I am very happy to have him back but I am not as happy he has full control. As I have said I will but my faith in him as he is our only opportunity now for success in the short term. Hopefully it works out as I really want a winning footy team.

Glad Sheens is back but he should not have the keys to the kingdom. He certainly needs someone to counterbalance and oversee the spending.

Scott Prince leaving was massive and we still haven’t recovered from losing that halfback.

His leaving was a surprise and shock but our brains trust were far too slow to try and replace him. Took them 5 years to put someone competent in the 7 jersey and it got us back deep into the finals for both years he was there.
He himself has still to be replaced, with the same results….no finals.

 

[Russell]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

Yeah, I think he had his problems. They never got Benji a halfback, couldn't really put a proper forward pack together consistently, but I just think the way Cleary busted our salary cap with dud signings was as bad as I've ever seen and much worse than what Sheens left us with.

I was mainly against the suggestion that they both left it as bad as each other, when I think there was a big difference in player quality and value between the two of them.

But I agree Sheens was not perfect and had problems. My opinion back then was that sheens should have got one more year.

It's almost like he spent all out money on purpose - Just to jump ship and go into direct competition with us....
3 Western Sydney Clubs - TRake out the week one and take off to win the comp.

Would not surprise me.

 

[jirskyr]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .


I’m always bewildered at the hate for Sheens. He won us a comp and nearly 3 and all you hear is” he ruined our cap”. Take a look at every premiership team since and all their ungrateful fans are saying the same. It kills me that St George fans still hate Bennett for the state he left the club in. He won the comp when thousands couldn’t! Sheens is famous for finding Noah Nadruka in Fiji, 25 yo Ken Nagas in Moree….he know’s what to do. We’re in good hands.

The first 3 or so years of our decade without success is on Sheens.


You’re kidding, right?

Sheens stuffed our cap on multiple occasions, he backloaded Robbie to the point we had to boot him out of the club.


At about the time he needed to be booted.

He was on $950k because of a very poor deal someone but him on, same happened with Lawrance and who can forget us having to send Fulton to the UK for a year because we couldn't afford him. That is not mentioning Blair etc.


Like I said, the bloke won us our only premiership, came close another couple of times, probably robbed once, and you’re cranking on about a couple of contracts that didn’t work out. What about the contracts that did work out? Anything to say about those? Scott Prince? Paul Whatuira? Shane Elford?

I have a lot of respect for Tim Sheens and what he achieved, but he was sacked for a reason and it was the correct decision. I am very happy to have him back but I am not as happy he has full control. As I have said I will but my faith in him as he is our only opportunity now for success in the short term. Hopefully it works out as I really want a winning footy team.

Glad Sheens is back but he should not have the keys to the kingdom. He certainly needs someone to counterbalance and oversee the spending.

Pretty much where I am too mate, just have to hope it works out. I don't want a flash in the pan success like before, I want long term success.

I think we would have had longer success after 2005 if the Titans weren’t admitted. Scott Prince, Laffranchi and a few others signed on with the Titans before the start of 2006 and their hearts weren’t with the Tigers through 2006.

Scott Prince leaving was massive and we still haven’t recovered from losing that halfback.

Breaking up a GF-winning halves pairing usually doesn't end well.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

Yeah, I think he had his problems. They never got Benji a halfback, couldn't really put a proper forward pack together consistently, but I just think the way Cleary busted our salary cap with dud signings was as bad as I've ever seen and much worse than what Sheens left us with.

I was mainly against the suggestion that they both left it as bad as each other, when I think there was a big difference in player quality and value between the two of them.

But I agree Sheens was not perfect and had problems. My opinion back then was that sheens should have got one more year.

It's almost like he spent all out money on purpose - Just to jump ship and go into direct competition with us....
3 Western Sydney Clubs - TRake out the week one and take off to win the comp.

Ive always felt this way but I don’t want to give him that much credit.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Our recruitment of senior players to supplement the club until the juniors who look strong are ready has been horrible. The GM of Football has been sacked and the coach is on thin ice with new assistants being hired.

I think one thing is clear that they are taking action. Sheens major strength is getting out pathways in order however, his connections around the league will pay dividends with player signings. Paying overs for shorter term deals for experience is probably a necessity at the moment.

I just hopw Sheens remembers what he did signing Adam Blair, he ripped the heart and soul out of the team for zero return.

Yep terrible decision. Blair at the time was a beast. Proved to be a major blunder. I don’t think it was the only reason.

Fifita was a lot of drama behind the scenes from memory . And from memory Gibbs lead the boys club , and many were calling for his head because he had had a few lean years . Lote was 35 , and benji and Beau had major issues because of the footy show .
All in all , the first team was a hot bed of personalities , media darlings and egotistical juniors coming through .
Sheens made some bad choices in Blair and that front rower who played a couple of games got smashed, because he wasn’t ready , and never got over it .
It happens , we just never had the infrastructure to absorb those misses . Mainly because our management lacked vision , and ability , and were more concerned with wearing blazers, and fighting over who gets first billing out of Balmain and Wests , than actually doing thier job .
Sheens knows how to navigate the politics here . Ad has always had elite juniors in his clubs wherever he has gone .
That’s not an accident .

He has also been terrible at managing the salary cap

Yea true . I’m not saying he’s some messiah , just he has always focused on juniors and developing them . Hopefully with all the back room improvement , we can put someone with an analytical brain to better do that .

I was hoping Hartigan would be that balance which is what has raised my concern over the increasing role of Sheens.

I understand what you are saying with this, and I have say I agree with you.....but.....

It seems to me that other than Melbourne (and potentially Roosters) all clubs have to roll the dice with salary cap. I'd put it to you that Cleary screwed our cap harder than Sheens did. Penrith just won the comp and if the media is to be believed, they are already needing to push players out.

Our salary cap is nice and neatly sorted right now. Nice and neat and safe and tidy and we dont look like threatening success on the field at all. Fortune favours the bold and all that.

I think (calculated) risks need to be taken. I am very nervous about McDonnell being brought back but heartened that the club seems to be making changes.

Sheens messed it as bad as Cleary, just have to trust he doesn't again.

I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as Cleary. Matulino, Packer, Mbye, Reynolds on big long term deals are THE WORST set of players this club, or perhaps any NRL team, has ever purchased. We paid rep level money for these players and not one proved to be an above average first grader. Packer, Mbye and Reynolds were so bad we couldn't move them. We got lucky with Matulino. Sheens left us with a decent side that had backloaded deals. That was bad, but a different situation.

Sheens did the same thing multiple times. Though I'm over bagging the guy who is our best ever coach and who brought me a premiership I never thought I'd see. I'm a Sheens fan, just don't see his appointment as the holy grail ans wish he didn't have full control.

Yeah, I think he had his problems. They never got Benji a halfback, couldn't really put a proper forward pack together consistently, but I just think the way Cleary busted our salary cap with dud signings was as bad as I've ever seen and much worse than what Sheens left us with.

I was mainly against the suggestion that they both left it as bad as each other, when I think there was a big difference in player quality and value between the two of them.

But I agree Sheens was not perfect and had problems. My opinion back then was that sheens should have got one more year.

It's almost like he spent all out money on purpose - Just to jump ship and go into direct competition with us....
3 Western Sydney Clubs - TRake out the week one and take off to win the comp.

Well they did , the guy they chose decided he liked clipping his missus more than playing for the tigers .
Mad Monday too , after a successful year .
Quietly was a catalyst in what happened next .

 

[hammertime]

Ok. So... question. Who hired Hartigan?

Is the same bloke who has no influence on football operations whatsoever? Seems like this bad hire was a pretty big influence.