Alex Seyfarth #232

Charred said:
Good response. 100% get where you are coming from. I think you and I both agree that Seyfarths penalties are his biggest flaw overall and a cause for concern. The main issue I have is that from the posts I have seen, you exclusively call out Seyfarth for his penalties and no one else, even though you claim to have issues with other players but I have not seen a single post of you demonstrating this at any stage during the season.

‘We’ has multiple definitions. From google I assumed you used it by the following definition “used condescendingly to refer to the person being addressed.”, except I don’t think you were condescending. My specific reasoning for thinking this, being you quoted my post. Anyway, not sure why this is being mentioned and no, I am not Alex Seyfarth. Agree with most of the rest of the points in your 2nd paragraph though except I think games is better than seasons as a rank of seniority. Seyfarth still only played 74 games (6th season), but I guess we are a fairly young and inexperienced team overall so he is probably considered a senior player. TDS is in his 3rd season but only played 15 games. I made sure to include games played of each player the first time they were mentioned so any statistics from a small data set would be obvious as demonstrated by the case of Latu.

Neither do I want the 24 penalties and I really hope it improves. It’s just not worth ignoring Sam Fainu is tracking at the same rate.
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Exactly right, the whole issue I have been trying to get across is that his discipline is a cause for concern and as a senior player who is playing big minutes, he needs to be better and hasn't done enough to address it.

I do have issues with other players, and I have called out Doueihi and To'a on multiple occasions for their awful defense. But I see all those three players the same. Decent players who definitely deserve to be in NRL top 30 squads, but probably shouldn't be in your starting 13 (based on current performances) if you want to challenge for a premiership.

Its unfortunate but the reality for guys like Seyfarth, Twal, Hetherington, Ray Stone's etc the worker type players don't get the same leeway as the star players and athletically gifted players (as they are rarer to come by) who can impact a game in many other ways. Rightly or wrongly, you can't afford to be seen as ill disciplined or a liability in any way (not saying this for Seyfarth but for any of those types of players). That is just the way the league is these days. That's why its the athletic freaks and instinctive players getting NRL contracts at 17 and going straight from Ball to First Grade, not the hard working-no frills kids. Those kids usually have to work their way up through every grade and won't get to the NRL until they're in their 20s.

You're looking way to deeply into the we thing. Its just to say 'we' as a fanbase, which includes me. I say he is a senior player as he was identified as one by Benji in the preseason, and yes hes one of the older players at the club and is one of the longest serving players. TDS, yes 3rd season but wasn't part of the full time squad in 2024 and only came in for a couple games at the end of the season. He's 19, 15 games you get the point.

Yeah agree on Sam Fainu, was also going to point that out but i'm not as worried about Sam because he's just generally down on form this season imo and again, he's a young guy. He's still learning, you're going to get ups and downs from the young guys. They havn't been in the league long enough to establish if its bad habits or just growing pains/learning to play first grade. If Sam is 4-5 years in and doing the same, then he definitely deserves the same criticism.
 
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U think it’s bad here with high tackles , try watching the Gallagher rugby in England , u touch there head no matter if it’s them hitting u it’s either a yellow or red card , they have killed the game over there
 
Penalties are one thing but sin binning is another and it is going to be interesting to see how consistent their interpretation is when it comes to what is deemed as, "direct and forceful contact to the head where there are no mitigating factors."

I don't see this as solving too much when we can see how inconsistent the NRL are in their interpretations with many areas of the game.

I can see player reputations coming into play with some of these decisions that we are about to witness.
 
hank37w said:
Penalties are one thing but sin binning is another and it is going to be interesting to see how consistent their interpretation is when it comes to what is deemed as, "direct and forceful contact to the head where there are no mitigating factors."

I don't see this as solving too much when we can see how inconsistent the NRL are in their interpretations with many areas of the game.

I can see player reputations coming into play with some of these decisions that we are about to witness.
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U are 100% correct, big name players will get off and no- names will cop the full punishment, good call
 
hank37w said:
Penalties are one thing but sin binning is another and it is going to be interesting to see how consistent their interpretation is when it comes to what is deemed as, "direct and forceful contact to the head where there are no mitigating factors."

I don't see this as solving too much when we can see how inconsistent the NRL are in their interpretations with many areas of the game.

I can see player reputations coming into play with some of these decisions that we are about to witness.
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Certain players and certain clubs will get the worst of it,the complete lack of consistently from Anusleys crew will be diabolical.I used to have a lot of respect for nearly all referees but since the failed politician runs the show it is very hard to have any with what is left since Cechin was hounded out of the ranks.
 
Yeah those stats are poor. I'm a really big critic of seyfarth but I actually think he's been doing well. I don't know that he's really there for hit ups. It's not like we struggle with go forward, and that's definitely not his strength, so I think he does his part in the team, which is to defend well and play either a linking role or a decoy run in attack.

My criticism of seyfarth has always been that I feel he is really weak in the tackle and always getting pushed back. But lately he's been tackling well around the upper body and even getting some dominant tackles in. Playing 80 mins and holding up an edge is a decent job. People go on about blore, but that's the exact role he does for Melbourne and with similar effectiveness. I'd replace seyfarth if we had someone better, but after a poor first match I think he's been good.

Tonight his line speed and tackling was mostly good. I don't really feel the criticism is warranted.
 
watersider said:
Yeah those stats are poor. I'm a really big critic of seyfarth but I actually think he's been doing well. I don't know that he's really there for hit ups. It's not like we struggle with go forward, and that's definitely not his strength, so I think he does his part in the team, which is to defend well and play either a linking role or a decoy run in attack.

My criticism of seyfarth has always been that I feel he is really weak in the tackle and always getting pushed back. But lately he's been tackling well around the upper body and even getting some dominant tackles in. Playing 80 mins and holding up an edge is a decent job. People go on about blore, but that's the exact role he does for Melbourne and with similar effectiveness. I'd replace seyfarth if we had someone better, but after a poor first match I think he's been good.

Tonight his line speed and tackling was mostly good. I don't really feel the criticism is warranted.
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In a game where we lacked leaders & experience he could’ve stepped up & put his hand up… instead he decided to be a complete passenger. Again he’s not the reason we lost but I just thought it was very ooor.
 
WesternSuburbsBoy said:
In a game where we lacked leaders & experience he could’ve stepped up & put his hand up… instead he decided to be a complete passenger. Again he’s not the reason we lost but I just thought it was very ooor.
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Yeah but consider our attack was pretty much 2 or 3 one out hit ups up the middle, then look to play out the back which generally saw him be used as a decoy runner.
May is getting all the wraps and yes he is doing a lot of good things for us, but 50% of his hit ups are ineffective and his contact in defence drops off when he starts getting fatigued, no idea why he has to play so many minutes when we have fresh players ready to go.
Crazy why you would not play Royce Hunt at all in the 1st half.
Seyfarth was also often the first impact when defending Haas and done a reasonably good job of it.
 
Lacks the physical attributes to be any more than a solid first grader, but he does a lot of the little things right and brings a very competitive attitude despite his athletic shortcomings.

He won't win us a title but title winning teams have players like him. Not everyone is gonna be a world beater and with his relatively cheap wage, he's definitely worth having in our 13/17.
 
Aussielion said:
Seyfarth is not a world beater but give me him over the two highly paid second row starters who were in our team last year. It is a position where we'll need a buy a player or two....but he has a dig.
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Ipap is already being found out at Penrith. Their team isn’t carrying him like he thought they would
 
All I know is the coaches have all backed him when plenty of fans don't seem to get it. He obviously works hard and has an attitude that accounts for what he lacks in ability. When you see some of the lack of effort and impact from some of the highest paid forwards in the game I reckon he goes alright.
 
With tail between my legs, I'd officially like to join the Alex seyfarth fan club.

I always thought of him as an error riddled weak defender with poor decision making. But this year he's been rock solid out wide and does all the little things that allow the rest of the team to play well.

He steps in to offer a crisp pass out of dummy half, gets back in the defensive line first after a break, makes the right choice when to pass and when to run in attack, tackles well with good line speed and plays a consistent 80 mins. I love having a solid 80 minute player like that. Bateman's erratic play last year and papalii's ability to only get through 30 minutes before getting puffed out means he's a big upgrade on what we had last year.

Big tribute to seyfarth for getting good. He'd be the sort of player to win players' player were it not for the efforts of May. He won't win any stat wars, but he plays his team role well.
 
watersider said:
With tail between my legs, I'd officially like to join the Alex seyfarth fan club.

I always thought of him as an error riddled weak defender with poor decision making. But this year he's been rock solid out wide and does all the little things that allow the rest of the team to play well.

He steps in to offer a crisp pass out of dummy half, gets back in the defensive line first after a break, makes the right choice when to pass and when to run in attack, tackles well with good line speed and plays a consistent 80 mins. I love having a solid 80 minute player like that. Bateman's erratic play last year and papalii's ability to only get through 30 minutes before getting puffed out means he's a big upgrade on what we had last year.

Big tribute to seyfarth for getting good. He'd be the sort of player to win players' player were it not for the efforts of May. He won't win any stat wars, but he plays his team role well.
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He’s a good footy player man . People see him get folded on that run out of yardage and just formulate bias’ against him . He’s a huge reason that edge looks rock solid all year .
 
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