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@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1273425) said:
@twentyforty said in [Aloiai](/post/1273422) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273303) said:
No 'Weakness' shown by releasing JA. WE released him because it suited US to do so.

We recruited a subsidised player who plays in the same position (Some would say a better player who offers more versatility).

Therefore, no detriment to us in releasing him.

Club moves forward no worse off (Potentially better off) - yet people wanna bag the club.

Were the roosters weak when they let Latrell walk without any financial consideration?


And further to that, were Rabbitohs weak when they let Suaalii go to chooks? The kid was on a $60k contract, Roosters generously offered $50k. Somehow it’s only the Tigers who wear the criticism regardless of the choices they make.

Yes but you won't see the Rorters or Souff's release the figure officially for the Suuali transfer ...it is this paper xyz understands..

But somehow Wests Tigers bad..


True Geo. They point blank refused the $50k, preferring to let the kid sit around and collect his $60k. Then 3 days later miraculously accepted the offer. ?
 
The size of the fee is important because it demonstrates the competency of our management and their capacity to deliver results for the club and it's members.
If we capitulated and released him for a minimal amount then Pascoe should go. It's not the first time this has happened to us.and we can't be a doormat. If we rolled over we need me management who won't roll over.
Joe is a completely separate situation.
Of course if we did receive a big sum then will done to the management and they should be applauded.
It's why transparency is so important, though confidentiality may prevent this from happening
 
Kemp is a player he’ll always take the players side. Pretty easy for Josh to lie and exaggerate to make the club look bad, look at Matterson saying he was treated terrible and a list of what he didn’t like came out and he was made to look like a big baby 😂

With joshs comments to the media along with his Instagram memes about the situation, he showed his character and maturity levels to the world. Whatever issues might’ve been there would’ve been created by Josh and his manager, who has a history of doing the same thing with other players

There are too many things pointing towards Josh and his manager creating the drama for me. He will not stand out at manly, he will he forgotten in 8 years time I’m sure.
 
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273364) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.

What if it was Manly that didn't want it disclosed?

It may very well have been Manly that didn't want it disclosed, but we have the legal eagle chairman who came out in the media all guns blazing and saying how we were going to get compensation for releasing Josh from his contract.

He's the one that should have taken a position of strength and written up a deal that made Manly admit that they were providing compensation to us and some sort of an indication that it wasn't just a small token amount.

We needed to really draw a line in the sand to show we aren't push overs.

Don't get me wrong, I think we have overall come out in front with this deal but we have been rolled in the past and we needed to take a really tough stance on this occasion so that it doesn't happen in the future and at the same time send a strong message to the NRL that changes need to be made and soon.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Aloiai](/post/1273432) said:
The size of the fee is important because it demonstrates the competency of our management and their capacity to deliver results for the club and it's members.
If we capitulated and released him for a minimal amount then Pascoe should go. It's not the first time this has happened to us.and we can't be a doormat. If we rolled over we need me management who won't roll over.
Joe is a completely separate situation.
Of course if we did receive a big sum then will done to the management and they should be applauded.
It's why transparency is so important, though confidentiality may prevent this from happening

You are right. But its a business i am sure the stakeholders know. Thats all that matters. The are just rubber neckers so to speak. I think we got what we wanted and thats all that matters. And i hope in 2021 its proven a correct decision. Time will tell. But on paper for me. I happy and also believe it to a correct decision. I wouldn’t want an employee like that working for me.An NRL career is short. Good luck to Josh. Best outcome has been achieved!
 
@Cairnstigers said in [Aloiai](/post/1273420) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [Aloiai](/post/1273419) said:
Off the Bus and on the Ferry

Hope you can swim Josh
![20201129_155818.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1606629649965-20201129_155818.jpg)

is it wrong of me to hope he can't?
 
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273446) said:
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273364) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.

What if it was Manly that didn't want it disclosed?

It may very well have been Manly that didn't want it disclosed, but we have the legal eagle chairman who came out in the media all guns blazing and saying how we were going to get compensation for releasing Josh from his contract.

He's the one that should have taken a position of strength and written up a deal that made Manly admit that they were providing compensation to us and some sort of an indication that it wasn't just a small token amount.

We needed to really draw a line in the sand to show we aren't push overs.

Don't get me wrong, I think we have overall come out in front with this deal but we have been rolled in the past and we needed to take a really tough stance on this occasion so that it doesn't happen in the future and at the same time send a strong message to the NRL that changes need to be made and soon.

What a ridiculous post, the amount was never going to be revealed. You are dead set making stuff up to fuel your agenda.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273406) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.


And what about what Manly want? Are they OK with how much they paid another club to steal their player known?


The whole point is that a number of clubs have let players go, they seem to have been reasonably happy for them to go. They didn't play it out in the media and make public statements about what a hard stand they were making and how it wasn't going to happen unless they got compensation.
 
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273476) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273406) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.


And what about what Manly want? Are they OK with how much they paid another club to steal their player known?


The whole point is that a number of clubs have let players go, they seem to have been reasonably happy for them to go. They didn't play it out in the media and make public statements about what a hard stand they were making and how it wasn't going to happen unless they got compensation.

And we got compensation
 
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273478) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273476) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273406) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.


And what about what Manly want? Are they OK with how much they paid another club to steal their player known?


The whole point is that a number of clubs have let players go, they seem to have been reasonably happy for them to go. They didn't play it out in the media and make public statements about what a hard stand they were making and how it wasn't going to happen unless they got compensation.

And we got compensation

Probably a pie and a can of coke.
we supply the sauce.
 
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273476) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273406) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.


And what about what Manly want? Are they OK with how much they paid another club to steal their player known?


The whole point is that a number of clubs have let players go, they seem to have been reasonably happy for them to go. They didn't play it out in the media and make public statements about what a hard stand they were making and how it wasn't going to happen unless they got compensation.

Mate the deal was done a couple of hours ago, nothing is going to change to appease you, move on.
 
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273481) said:
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273478) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273476) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273406) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273356) said:
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273344) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273336) said:
@JC99 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273248) said:
“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.


And what about what Manly want? Are they OK with how much they paid another club to steal their player known?


The whole point is that a number of clubs have let players go, they seem to have been reasonably happy for them to go. They didn't play it out in the media and make public statements about what a hard stand they were making and how it wasn't going to happen unless they got compensation.

And we got compensation

Probably a pie and a can of coke.
we supply the sauce.

I think it was $2m




Well it is more likely than the rubbish you are making up.
 
Understand why the club needs to keep it confidential, but I do worry about the next player that has a break out year. Seems pretty easy to get more money when they over perform but impossible to pay them less money when they over perform.
 
@weststigerman said in [Aloiai](/post/1273488) said:
Understand why the club needs to keep it confidential, but I do worry about the next player that has a break out year. Seems pretty easy to get more money when they over perform but impossible to pay them less money when they over perform.

Do you understand WE RELEASED HIM coz it suited us to do so.

The next sook may need to play out his contract if it doesn't suit us to release him
 
@cochise said in [Aloiai](/post/1273486) said:
@hank37w said in [Aloiai](/post/1273484) said:
well if it was $2m or Geo's $12m, then I would be happy.

Honestly I would have been happy with the pie and coke, he needed to go

depends what sort of pie.....
 
@Auburnon80 said in [Aloiai](/post/1273495) said:
@weststigerman said in [Aloiai](/post/1273488) said:
Understand why the club needs to keep it confidential, but I do worry about the next player that has a break out year. Seems pretty easy to get more money when they over perform but impossible to pay them less money when they over perform.

Do you understand WE RELEASED HIM coz it suited us to do so.

The next sook may need to play out his contract if it doesn't suit us to release him

This
 
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