Aloiai

They haven't backed down or offered silly money to anyone since Lee took over. The club has acted ethically in all transactions. The principal of a law firm won't back down on a contract law matter. He'll negotiate a favourable settlement. The bloke loves the law.
 
@Elderslie_Tiger said in [Aloiai](/post/1265889) said:
If Aloiai wants out of WT'S and Schuster still wants out of Lottoland I could entertain the word SWAP

I would snap that swap up in one second.
 
@weststigerman said in [Aloiai](/post/1265960) said:
@Tiger-Tragic said in [Aloiai](/post/1265937) said:
@weststigerman said in [Aloiai](/post/1265724) said:
A lot of people seem to blaming the player or his agent. At what point do we consider why this is happening every year?

Other clubs seem to keep this stuff in house. Looks what's happened with JAC and even Dragons with Saab.

To make matters worse, our Chairman has gone on record.

How about you tell us why you think it's happening?

I don’t know, I don’t work at the club but there is obviously something not right with us being an embarrassment every year.
Why wasn’t fonua Blake a embarrassment a contract isn’t a contract anymore all players are doing it now regardless what team they play for
 
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Aloiai](/post/1265523) said:
@Telltails said in [Aloiai](/post/1265521) said:
@hammertime said in [Aloiai](/post/1265489) said:
We can point our figures at the players as much as we want. The fact is that we've had several over the last few years that thought airing their dirty laundry in the media was fine... at best, that is a severe lack of respect for the club. That's even coming from Chris Lawerence.

There is something in our management structure that means we're not earning that respect. I've had a few conversations with Pascoe and from some tidbits, I can see why.

To provide some insight into what I've seen - I actually called the club to try to add them to my will recently. Wanted to give $100k+ as part of the foundation. Justin was great and gave me a 1-on-1 call, walked me through the new COE video etc. but I still am yet to hear back from the club about which entity to put my money to (i.e. Foundation). This was 3-4 months ago.

Sure, it doesn't rank highly in terms of priorities, but it goes to the core of a real lack of urgency/professionalism that we're seeing here. I'm not going to donate now, and I can see why the players also feel this desire to pull away from the club.

Something in management needs to change. Is all this cost-cutting to remain profitable impacting our ability to respond quickly to important issues?

This reeks of manager manipulation. AFB released by Manly and Josh A a big contract deal - same manager. Players are like pawns. They don't do any of the negotiating and rely on feedback from managers who manipulate the situation to their own advantage. Leak sympathy stories on public forums to get the fans up in arms and then the big announcement he wants out.
Don't blame Josh for taking the deal but the club needs to stand firm on this.

what a grub the sympathy stories on social media early in the week and now the release
This is worse than Matterson
Josh A a very very low person

And I suspect he has a few mates on here trying to make out we are the bad guys.
 
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265949) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Aloiai](/post/1265677) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265667) said:
@Nelson said in [Aloiai](/post/1265644) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265628) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Aloiai](/post/1265622) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265610) said:
Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

**I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.**

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury. They expect security and flexibility. In Rugby League they are mutually exclusive if you're signing long term (3+ year,) contracts.

Thankyou as this was what I was kinda getting at.
Also hate that player managers and players take advantage of the club's position but at the same time was more suggesting that the club look at it's retention/recruitment policy.
This is not specifically a dig at our adminstration which I feel some forumer's have been misinterpreting, but that we examine this department more closely - as it's at the centre of our biggest issues.
I wasn't trying to provoke anyone either but rather looking at it from different perspective/angle. I believe the club has faced worse than this and the Matterson saga.
I just don't wait to see the club be brought to its hands and knees again or feeling any long-term residual effects. So the basis of my original comment was, how can we work toward getting better results in our biggest problem area(retention and recruitment).

Apologies Lauren, I must have misinterpreted what you originally said. I don't disagree with much of what you have said there.
 
@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1266000) said:
It's sort of funny how we are screaming for Aloiai to honour his 2021 contract and rightly so with the right hand while secretly fist pumping the air should Laurie be able to obtain a release and join us for 2021 with the left..

Big difference, one is a starting player, the other a kid who might play a handful of games as a backup...
 
@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1266000) said:
It's sort of funny how we are screaming for Aloiai to honour his 2021 contract and rightly so with the right hand while secretly fist pumping the air should Laurie be able to obtain a release and join us for 2021 with the left..

If Laurie isn't released well it's because Penrith want the contract to be enforced and they are entitled to do it. If it works for both parties that's fine. Same as if the club were happy to let Josh walk now that's their prerogative.

Same as JAC. Yeah I was bummed he didn't get a release but Melbourne were within their right to hold him to it, and to be quite honest I admire them for digging in.
 
I’m really disappointed in Josh and I’ve been one of his biggest fans. I honestly didn’t he’d be the type to pull a stunt like this. He’s always come across as a well mannered and respectful person.

I understand he has a young family. I understand you only have a short period in rugby league, but sooner or later the club and the NRL have to draw a line in the sand with contracts.

An early release is fine if it works for both parties. Same goes for moving players on. If it doesn’t work for both parties, then tough luck. At the end of the day that contract was penned by a club and player. They both knew what that contract entailed at the time and you live with those decisions as a rugby league player or club.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Aloiai](/post/1266031) said:
@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1266000) said:
It's sort of funny how we are screaming for Aloiai to honour his 2021 contract and rightly so with the right hand while secretly fist pumping the air should Laurie be able to obtain a release and join us for 2021 with the left..

Big difference, one is a starting player, the other a kid who might play a handful of games as a backup...

I dunno man . Daine Laurie was very very good the last 2 years in lower grades . He looks to have the IT factor for mine . I can easily see him beating out everyone for the 1 jersey come round 1 .
And the Panfers have an embarrassment of riches there . I’m not too sure this isn’t one of those Papenhuyzen type steals , people write articles about in 2 years .
 
@Tiger-Tragic said in [Aloiai](/post/1265955) said:
Where is @tiga4eva when you need him (or her)? I'd like an authoritative update on what led Josh to (allegedly) make his comments today? Perhaps just summarise his/her last 6 or so chats with him today will be sufficient. No need for grandstanding now.

I don’t believe a word he says. My opinion is he is working hand in glove with his mate to get sympathy on here.
 
Clubs can tell a player to look for an opportunity, if he finds an opportunity to make more money, grow his brand or extend his career he can take it. If not the club has to honour his contract (Reynolds, Packer).

Players now seem to think that they can shop themselves around regardless of their contract and if they find a better opportunity, simply of out of their deal.

Time to rebalance the scales, add guarentees to the contract. I will sign you for 4 years at 800k per season, but after year one you can be cut at any time and receive 300k year 2, 180k year 3 and 50k year 4.

Self entitled players are destroying the NRL.
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Aloiai](/post/1266030) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265949) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Aloiai](/post/1265677) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265667) said:
@Nelson said in [Aloiai](/post/1265644) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265628) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Aloiai](/post/1265622) said:
@Lauren said in [Aloiai](/post/1265610) said:
Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

So you would what, have the club pay well more than they were prepared to just for the sake of keeping him for the optics of how it would play out in the media? That would just replace a perceived poor recruitment and retention strategy with an actual poor recruitment and retention policy...

No.
I think I've been pretty clear in stating I only care about our retention and recruitment reputation and image, and building the team to a stronger position. IDC about media perception but more what prospective targets think.

**I'm sick of seeing the club get shafted. Stand firm on Aloiai and the jelly-spine tossers will give us a wide berth in future. Win-win.**

Melbourne hung onto JAC because it didn't work for them for whatever reason to let him go. They had a contract and they enforced it. Granted they have the on field success to make it more palatable for JAC but there's no reason why on-field success should factor into a legally binding contract being enforced, it goes back to my previous comment that if you don't want to find yourself in this situation, then chance the risk and play year on year. They won't do that though because you're only ever one tackle away from a career ending injury. They expect security and flexibility. In Rugby League they are mutually exclusive if you're signing long term (3+ year,) contracts.

Thankyou as this was what I was kinda getting at.
Also hate that player managers and players take advantage of the club's position but at the same time was more suggesting that the club look at it's retention/recruitment policy.
This is not specifically a dig at our adminstration which I feel some forumer's have been misinterpreting, but that we examine this department more closely - as it's at the centre of our biggest issues.
I wasn't trying to provoke anyone either but rather looking at it from different perspective/angle. I believe the club has faced worse than this and the Matterson saga.
I just don't wait to see the club be brought to its hands and knees again or feeling any long-term residual effects. So the basis of my original comment was, how can we work toward getting better results in our biggest problem area(retention and recruitment).

Apologies Lauren, I must have misinterpreted what you originally said. I don't disagree with much of what you have said there.

Please don't apologise, as your post also made me realise that the club can only do so much in dealing with managers in negotiations and that we have been trying to do our best in that regard.
Only just read the shared article, showing Lee's comments, so I'm less upset with it all now too lol. While we obviously don't know what the final outcome will be, it shows us the club is fighting it tooth and claw.
 
@Strongee said in [Aloiai](/post/1266038) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Aloiai](/post/1266031) said:
@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1266000) said:
It's sort of funny how we are screaming for Aloiai to honour his 2021 contract and rightly so with the right hand while secretly fist pumping the air should Laurie be able to obtain a release and join us for 2021 with the left..

Big difference, one is a starting player, the other a kid who might play a handful of games as a backup...

I dunno man . Daine Laurie was very very good the last 2 years in lower grades . He looks to have the IT factor for mine . I can easily see him beating out everyone for the 1 jersey come round 1 .
And the Panfers have an embarrassment of riches there . I’m not too sure this isn’t one of those Papenhuyzen type steals , people write articles about in 2 years .

I think he meant back up at Panthers, as they have what 3 fullbacks right now if I’m not mistaken.

But your right I’ve been watching highlights, dude hits the motor and goes 0-100 real quick, smashes the holes and has the ability to be everywhere. But he is going to take time to get there in first grade, hopefully we will get him, lord knows we need a long term fullback
 
@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1266000) said:
It's sort of funny how we are screaming for Aloiai to honour his 2021 contract and rightly so with the right hand while secretly fist pumping the air should Laurie be able to obtain a release and join us for 2021 with the left..

If Laurie said I'm never wearing the jersey again unless you release me, Panthers fans would have a right to be filthy. But if two clubs work together respectfully with all parties on board, that's totally different.
 
@Gazlord95 said in [Aloiai](/post/1266046) said:
@Strongee said in [Aloiai](/post/1266038) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Aloiai](/post/1266031) said:
@Geo said in [Aloiai](/post/1266000) said:
It's sort of funny how we are screaming for Aloiai to honour his 2021 contract and rightly so with the right hand while secretly fist pumping the air should Laurie be able to obtain a release and join us for 2021 with the left..

Big difference, one is a starting player, the other a kid who might play a handful of games as a backup...

I dunno man . Daine Laurie was very very good the last 2 years in lower grades . He looks to have the IT factor for mine . I can easily see him beating out everyone for the 1 jersey come round 1 .
And the Panfers have an embarrassment of riches there . I’m not too sure this isn’t one of those Papenhuyzen type steals , people write articles about in 2 years .

I think he meant back up at Panthers, as they have what 3 fullbacks right now if I’m not mistaken.

Oh ok . I see now . If status is an issue , which is what we’re talking about really when you mention someone being established or a reserve grader , well that’s really an ego thing at that point .
 
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