Aloiai

[Russell]

I was in Sydney all day and didn't have access to the forum but I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the breathtaking hypocrisy of Benny Elias yesterday in attacking Aloiai for his petulance and demanding he honour his contract. I heard him on radio and couldn't believe the gall of the man given his passionate defence of his nephew when he was tanking on WT a couple of years ago. He real is a special human being.

He did the exact same thing when Matterson did it. He’s got a very selective memory.

Well, some people have selective memories.
Moses had his contract pulled before he asked to go to Parra. He was also told he most probably wouldn’t be in first grade... but was then chosen there.

Pulled after it sat untouched on the table for how many months while they tried to get every last dollar?

So what?
The point was he didn't have (and wasn't going to get) a contract for the next year and was told he may not be playing first grade.
Bit different to Aloiai and Matterson who had a year to run.

Doesn't matter - what matters is he tanked...inexcusable!

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I’ve realised is that they value a lot of other things over money.

I also deal with Pacific Islanders at my job, and some would sell their grandma for an extra $350k a year.

Racial stereotypes usually end well

Usually their after coin because the families are so large and a lot of mouths to feed. Way to simplify it , likes it some negative they’re out there grinding away .

 

[mikey]

I still don't believe that it's purely a $$ thing. Clearly Aloiai is unhappy with the club about something. Yeh it could be the money, but somewhere we are letting our players down. It could be the lack of success, frustration at changes, frustration at not getting TPAs, lack of assistance outside of footy anything. I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I've realised is that they value a lot of other things over money. It's definitely a generic statement but we really need to have a very deep look inside our structures.

I don't entirely disagree that something may be amiss on the good ship Tigers; however, if you are unhappy you don't have a chuck and dummy spit like a 2 year-old in the supermarket when Mummy won't buy you an ice-cream. You talk about it to try and resolve it and if you can't you move on.
Even if you have made a decision to move on, you inform them in a courteous manner not by throwing them under the bus. We seem to have had a few that think that's the way to go. I'm so happy the club has fired back in a sensible manner and hope they stick to their guns.

110% agree that Aloiai has handled it unprofessionally compared to us. The only blight would be Lee has come out all guns blazing whereas he should've gone behind the back and met with PVL. It should've all been done behind closed doors.

I'm talking more about the pattern. People seem to think that people are walking over us because they think we're weak. That might be part of it, but the main reason is players are unhappy here. They either come here for the money or to get a foot in the door for an easy spot at first grade. Yesterday it was MM/Teddy/Woods/Matterson, today it's JA and tomorrow it might be AD. Taking a stance like this is a great way to fight this situation but it's not a long term solution to player's unhappiness or displeasure with the WT.

Once again I agree with a lot of your thoughts - there is a pattern. But whether that is bad management or response/ way of dealing with things culture I'm not sure.
I worked in a place where people reacted negatively no matter whether they were kicked in the unmentionables or were being praised - before I got there they had at times been treated badly - but couldn't see a positive no matter how I tried to show support/ positivity/ explanation of why things were needed. The people just seemed to love swimming in their own self-pity and casting blame. They wouldn't leave even if another opportunity slapped them in the chops because "I love the people I work with'.

After 5 years, I walked away and swore I would never again work in a place where there was a balance towards negativity. Reasoning/ discussing is fine but the other is soul-destroying.

I'm wondering how entrenched that position may be at the Tigers at times given the spray some people think is OK to do.

 

[Masterton]

I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I’ve realised is that they value a lot of other things over money.

I also deal with Pacific Islanders at my job, and some would sell their grandma for an extra $350k a year.

Racial stereotypes usually end well

Wasn't having a go at anyone. I responded to a post with a generalisation about Pacific Islanders, and pointed out SOME were the opposite of that generalisation. I'm sure most love their grandma enormously.

 

[CarltonDry]

I'm gonna start pre season training today ...I reckon I'm a serious chance at a Top 30 spot ...pubs open in 70 minutes

I can't wait for your tik tok video with a bit of toe sucking in it 👏

 

[fibrodreaming]

That might be part of it, but the main reason is players are unhappy here.

Are all players unhappy here ? Perhaps most players ? Certainly, Josh was not unhappy a couple of months ago and he has been here, for what, 4 - 5 years. Something happened since the season ended to turn that around.

Wrt to other players, Eisenhuth and ET and McIntyre would have been happy to stay.

These generalisations that "players are unhappy" doesn't really explain anything in Josh's case.

I still don’t believe that it’s purely a $$ thing. Clearly Aloiai is unhappy with the club about something. Yeh it could be the money, but somewhere we are letting our players down.

Why do you need to invent additional reasons that probably fit an uncomplimentary narrative about the club, but which can't be substantiated ?

Additional reasons are not required. It's the money. It fits the facts as we know them. We don't need to invent any other reasons to explain Aloiai's behaviour.

 

[Snake]

This took a very ugly & unexpected turn very quickly. Haven’t spoken to a single person yet who isn’t completely shocked at Aloiai & his managements actions.
The 1 day deadline also taken extremely out of proportion, once revised deal was presented it was mentioned they would like to know by the next day.
Was never said “you have 1 day or its gone”.
Manly really agitating the release behind closed doors.

Who are Manly proposing as a player trade?

Until Manly or his manager are required to provide a player of quality to WTs' satisfaction this will continue. The player manager should be forced by the NRL to donate his commission on all transactions associated with this behaviour to a charity.

we can have Schuster for Josh A massive upgrade for us

It doesn't work that way.

well we would like a player in compensation if we release Josh A, can we not specify who we would like? as storm did to us nominating nofo or talau ?

Yes, but said player has to want to come. They aren’t pawns.

True remember Schuster was threatening to leave manly when they signed Foran and he said if he was going to play 6 then Schuster would look at leaving Manly.
We came close to getting him last year I believe, worth asking at least

Now this is the swap deal we won’t!

 

[Harvey]


I think that it was being forced to model the ugly sweater that caused him to lose it.

 

[Telltails]

I still don't believe that it's purely a $$ thing. Clearly Aloiai is unhappy with the club about something. Yeh it could be the money, but somewhere we are letting our players down. It could be the lack of success, frustration at changes, frustration at not getting TPAs, lack of assistance outside of footy anything. I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I've realised is that they value a lot of other things over money. It's definitely a generic statement but we really need to have a very deep look inside our structures.

I don't entirely disagree that something may be amiss on the good ship Tigers; however, if you are unhappy you don't have a chuck and dummy spit like a 2 year-old in the supermarket when Mummy won't buy you an ice-cream. You talk about it to try and resolve it and if you can't you move on.
Even if you have made a decision to move on, you inform them in a courteous manner not by throwing them under the bus. We seem to have had a few that think that's the way to go. I'm so happy the club has fired back in a sensible manner and hope they stick to their guns.

110% agree that Aloiai has handled it unprofessionally compared to us. The only blight would be Lee has come out all guns blazing whereas he should've gone behind the back and met with PVL. It should've all been done behind closed doors.

I'm talking more about the pattern. People seem to think that people are walking over us because they think we're weak. That might be part of it, but the main reason is players are unhappy here. They either come here for the money or to get a foot in the door for an easy spot at first grade. Yesterday it was MM/Teddy/Woods/Matterson, today it's JA and tomorrow it might be AD. Taking a stance like this is a great way to fight this situation but it's not a long term solution to player's unhappiness or displeasure with the WT.

Funny how only weeks ago Josh never wanted to play anywhere else. You are fooling yourself if you don't think this about money.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I still don't believe that it's purely a $$ thing. Clearly Aloiai is unhappy with the club about something. Yeh it could be the money, but somewhere we are letting our players down. It could be the lack of success, frustration at changes, frustration at not getting TPAs, lack of assistance outside of footy anything. I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I've realised is that they value a lot of other things over money. It's definitely a generic statement but we really need to have a very deep look inside our structures.

Are they on $350k a year? Or being offered double again?

If he's AOG they'd be pushing him to take the attractive Manly offer so they can glean tens of thousands more off him.

 

[gato]

I still don't believe that it's purely a $$ thing. Clearly Aloiai is unhappy with the club about something. Yeh it could be the money, but somewhere we are letting our players down. It could be the lack of success, frustration at changes, frustration at not getting TPAs, lack of assistance outside of footy anything. I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I've realised is that they value a lot of other things over money. It's definitely a generic statement but we really need to have a very deep look inside our structures.

I don't entirely disagree that something may be amiss on the good ship Tigers; however, if you are unhappy you don't have a chuck and dummy spit like a 2 year-old in the supermarket when Mummy won't buy you an ice-cream. You talk about it to try and resolve it and if you can't you move on.
Even if you have made a decision to move on, you inform them in a courteous manner not by throwing them under the bus. We seem to have had a few that think that's the way to go. I'm so happy the club has fired back in a sensible manner and hope they stick to their guns.

110% agree that Aloiai has handled it unprofessionally compared to us. The only blight would be Lee has come out all guns blazing whereas he should've gone behind the back and met with PVL. It should've all been done behind closed doors.

I'm talking more about the pattern. People seem to think that people are walking over us because they think we're weak. That might be part of it, but the main reason is players are unhappy here. They either come here for the money or to get a foot in the door for an easy spot at first grade. Yesterday it was MM/Teddy/Woods/Matterson, today it's JA and tomorrow it might be AD. Taking a stance like this is a great way to fight this situation but it's not a long term solution to player's unhappiness or displeasure with the WT.

Funny how only weeks ago Josh never wanted to play anywhere else. You are fooling yourself if you don't think this about money.

I agree it is most likely about the money. I personally have no issue with him trying to get a big $ contract my issue is with the way he has gone about trying to get the early release and the tactics he and his manager are using including using his mate on this forum to try and sell us all a sob story. It is also very suspect that he and AFB have the same agent it makes me wonder if this was presented to manly when they released AFB in the first place

 

[Newtown]

Are Wests Tigers asking Manly for an equal replacement for Aloia?

 

[tiger_one]

I still don't believe that it's purely a $$ thing. Clearly Aloiai is unhappy with the club about something. Yeh it could be the money, but somewhere we are letting our players down. It could be the lack of success, frustration at changes, frustration at not getting TPAs, lack of assistance outside of footy anything. I do deal with Pacific Islanders at my job and one thing I've realised is that they value a lot of other things over money. It's definitely a generic statement but we really need to have a very deep look inside our structures.

I don't entirely disagree that something may be amiss on the good ship Tigers; however, if you are unhappy you don't have a chuck and dummy spit like a 2 year-old in the supermarket when Mummy won't buy you an ice-cream. You talk about it to try and resolve it and if you can't you move on.
Even if you have made a decision to move on, you inform them in a courteous manner not by throwing them under the bus. We seem to have had a few that think that's the way to go. I'm so happy the club has fired back in a sensible manner and hope they stick to their guns.

110% agree that Aloiai has handled it unprofessionally compared to us. The only blight would be Lee has come out all guns blazing whereas he should've gone behind the back and met with PVL. It should've all been done behind closed doors.

I'm talking more about the pattern. People seem to think that people are walking over us because they think we're weak. That might be part of it, but the main reason is players are unhappy here. They either come here for the money or to get a foot in the door for an easy spot at first grade. Yesterday it was MM/Teddy/Woods/Matterson, today it's JA and tomorrow it might be AD. Taking a stance like this is a great way to fight this situation but it's not a long term solution to player's unhappiness or displeasure with the WT.

Funny how only weeks ago Josh never wanted to play anywhere else. You are fooling yourself if you don't think this about money.

All questions need to be referred to his player/manager:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrag8ll85w

 

[bathursttiger1]

I just had a look at the Silvertail's forum, one of the most disgusting post that I have ever seen on a footy forum, it makes the Kennel look like heaven.
I wouldn't put it on here as it's too groose.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I just had a look at the Silvertail's forum, one of the most disgusting post that I have ever seen on a footy forum, it makes the Kennel look like heaven.
I wouldn't put it on here as it's too groose.

Usually they're moderate and some have expressed concern about the manner this has come about.

 

[Guest]

This took a very ugly & unexpected turn very quickly. Haven’t spoken to a single person yet who isn’t completely shocked at Aloiai & his managements actions.
The 1 day deadline also taken extremely out of proportion, once revised deal was presented it was mentioned they would like to know by the next day.
Was never said “you have 1 day or its gone”.
Manly really agitating the release behind closed doors.

Who are Manly proposing as a player trade?

Until Manly or his manager are required to provide a player of quality to WTs' satisfaction this will continue. The player manager should be forced by the NRL to donate his commission on all transactions associated with this behaviour to a charity.

we can have Schuster for Josh A massive upgrade for us

It doesn't work that way.

well we would like a player in compensation if we release Josh A, can we not specify who we would like? as storm did to us nominating nofo or talau ?

Yes, but said player has to want to come. They aren’t pawns.

Precisely.

 

[tigerap]

If we get Siro and $$$ or a promising Jnr in a swap deal! cyal8ter JA! and don't let the door hit ya on the way out

 

[tbones10]

First things first, I don't want Josh to leave, I honestly believe he is our future club captain. But in saying that, if he has to go, we should get Schuster or Cust, they are the only ones we need and the only two that have a decent future in the game. At a stretch young Hopaote, but that brings it's own luggage that we don't need.
But manly won't let those two go, so we shouldn't let Josh go, it's a moot point.
I also hear a lot of bring Sirro back, that is rubbish. Firstly the paying the son for the deeds of the father is a recipe for disaster and don't forget how the dad carried on when the young bloke went to manly and how disloyal and disrespectful we were. Besides young Sirro never played a decent game for us (yes I'm generalizing) only started playing consistent outside DCE and his career was on the line.

 

[Vince Farrar]

Has the green keeper actually signed a contract with Manly yet? If not what if they get cold feet and decide they don’t want him then that puts us in an awkward position.