Aloiai

[earl]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

 

[earl]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

But how do you know we weren’t compensated, they don’t have to tell us?

The Pom came on here and stated exactly what I've stated. We are just getting Aloiai off our books. The same thing happened with Matterson.

I could be wrong but there is no evidence at all that we are being compensated. The evidence that we have even though it's poor evidence states that we get no compensation.

I don't like it. I reckon it's bad. In stating that I understand the club just wants to get a team together who wants to win and we don't need players there who aren't committed.

Yep the dummy spitters always just get their own way with us in the end.

Dummy spitters (Moses, Matterson, Aloiai) - whaa, whaa I don’t like it here, I want to go play over there, I’m not gonna talk to anyone unless I get my way, I want a bigger ice cream!

WT management (rhetoric) - you are a very naughty boy, you won’t get your own way, you are contracted to us and you will see out your contract, either by playing with us or sitting on the sidelines for a season, we will not be used as a doormat for disgruntled little boys anymore!

WT management (reality) - it’s ok little guy, daddy doesn’t mind, here’s a nice ice cream, now go over there and play with your new friends, as long as you are happy.

Yeah sets a terrible example for younger players if he is free to leave. Cap space could be helpful but it'd be better to swing a trade for Aloiai imo. Manly really have no negotiating room atm and seem dependent on us letting Aloiai go. Let them give us Cust or a promising junior. Or let them take on Packer's deal, partly subsidised if it is cap space we're after. If Aloiai wants to carry on like a porkchop, let him. He doesn't have a leg to stand on.

What would we do if Manly said, “we’ve got him for 2022, you keep him for next year”?

We keep him for next year , stick him with the CC team and they have a huge hole in thier engine room .

We just have to show that that is a real possibility and not empty threats

Won’t we have a hole as well if he stays?

Play him in first grade. I'd overplay him and burn him out.

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

 

[cochise]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

 

[JC99]

The only thing we might get for Aloiai is a little bit of money. Better than nothing but not ideal either, unfortunately it’s a tough spot for the club.

Would’ve loved to see them let him rot in reserve grade to make sure it never happens to us again but players know they can still get away with it at WT now.

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

 

[JC99]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

We definitely could have both, the club just doesn’t want to. Joe isn’t compensation for Aloiai, just a replacement. Like I said our only hope is a little money off Manly which doesn’t do much for us

 

[old_man_tiger]

Will Joe O sit in our cap at full freight even if the Broncos pay him part of his salary?

 

[tonza]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

My take on, Josh for $$$, is essentially we get to use his $350k salary cap elsewhere. We can do that when we fine him for not showing up. Will get sorted real quick then.

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

We definitely could have both, the club just doesn’t want to. Joe isn’t compensation for Aloiai, just a replacement. Like I said our only hope is a little money off Manly which doesn’t do much for us

I still want to see WT not release Aloiai for 2021. It absolutely definitely encourages our other players to do the same in the future. If Josh A wants to continue to be unprofessional, shame him, fine him, make an example of him. It is worth it, as selfish brats like him will continue to push us around in the future otherwise and we will find it harder to ever get anywhere.

 

[earl]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

 

[JC99]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

We definitely could have both, the club just doesn’t want to. Joe isn’t compensation for Aloiai, just a replacement. Like I said our only hope is a little money off Manly which doesn’t do much for us

I still want to see WT not release Aloiai for 2021. It absolutely definitely encourages our other players to do the same in the future. If Josh A wants to continue to be unprofessional, shame him, fine him, make an example of him. It is worth it, as selfish brats like him will continue to push us around in the future otherwise and we will find it harder to ever get anywhere.

I agree. We’ve proved nothing to any player who might pull the same and the NRL probably won’t do anything about it either

 

[earl]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

My take on, Josh for $$$, is essentially we get to use his $350k salary cap elsewhere. We can do that when we fine him for not showing up. Will get sorted real quick then.

Exactly right. We get nothing at all from Manly. It just means we can sign another player with his current salary.

I'm okay with it in that there is no reason to have a tantrum about it but it's happened over the last couple of years with two of our best players who have had career best seasons. Is it going to keep happening ?

 

[TigerWest]

Will Joe O sit in our cap at full freight even if the Broncos pay him part of his salary?

My understanding of this is NO, Bronc's will have what ever they are covering on their cap and we will have what ever we are covering on ours?

 

[earl]

Will Joe O sit in our cap at full freight even if the Broncos pay him part of his salary?

No. Brisbane have to pay dollars and that isn't in our cap. I get how that helps us. In this situation though it really doesn't because we are losing Aloiai. If you think Joe O is better than Aloiai then it's a good deal for us. If you don't think that it's a bad deal. The statistics state it's a bad deal for us.

I don't want to be too critical because I think these situations need to be managed better via the NRL. I think the system is screwed up.

 

[coivtny]

The only thing we might get for Aloiai is a little bit of money. Better than nothing but not ideal either, unfortunately it’s a tough spot for the club.

Would’ve loved to see them let him rot in reserve grade to make sure it never happens to us again but players know they can still get away with it at WT now.

They know they can get away with it because we let them. We can't add Aloiai to Moses and Matterson because it makes us look incredibly weak and next year it will be someone else we'd rather not lose. It's line in the sand time. Let's take a leaf out of Melbourne's book with JAC.

 

[TigerWest]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

My take on, Josh for $$$, is essentially we get to use his $350k salary cap elsewhere. We can do that when we fine him for not showing up. Will get sorted real quick then.


Exactly right. We get nothing at all from Manly. It just means we can sign another player with his current salary.

I'm okay with it in that there is no reason to have a tantrum about it but it's happened over the last couple of years with two of our best players who have had career best seasons. Is it going to keep happening ?

Sorry to keep repeating this, but it will happen to any club IF they allow it. The club holds the contract, *if they are happy to release the player then they will, if not they wont.* There are benefits to letting disaffected players go as well.
Many have mentioned we have the longest record of not making the top 8, the players being released were part of that record as well.

 

[Lauren]

Melbourne have been ruthless with the whole handling of it.
Panthers are being smart with Laurie really but Parra were totally smug with Stefano - thought the debut they gave him was terrible from them.
Therefore, I don't know how to describe WT in this situation. But the fact it's not the first time doesn't exactly paint us in a good light either.

 

[earl]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

My take on, Josh for $$$, is essentially we get to use his $350k salary cap elsewhere. We can do that when we fine him for not showing up. Will get sorted real quick then.


Exactly right. We get nothing at all from Manly. It just means we can sign another player with his current salary.

I'm okay with it in that there is no reason to have a tantrum about it but it's happened over the last couple of years with two of our best players who have had career best seasons. Is it going to keep happening ?

Sorry to keep repeating this, but it will happen to any club IF they allow it. The club holds the contract, *if they are happy to release the player then they will, if not they wont.* There are benefits to letting disaffected players go as well.
Many have mentioned we have the longest record of not making the top 8, the players being released were part of that record as well.

We have the ability to stop it. I completely understand though that there are advantages to just letting them go. I think we have compensated for the players we've lost pretty well. It would have been better to keep those players and gain other players but we've done pretty well just letting them go.