Aloiai

[TigerWest]

Hey Josh,

We are happy to grant your request for an early release on compassionate grounds, as long as we recieve a suitable replacement.

Below is a list of such players

Tapau
Paseka
Schuster
Crighton

We look forward to manly or the roosters advising which player we will recieve.

If a suitable replacement can not be found, we look forward to seeing you on 1st day of pre-season training, ready for a big year. As per the terms of your existing contract.

Hasn’t preseason already started?

 

[rah53]

I'm a big fan of the NFL, watch my Carolina Panthers every Monday morning, and in the NFL, a team or an agent can not negotiate with another team within a contract of player. If found out to be guilty of doing so, a player and/or his agent can be suspended league wide for a period of time & an organisation will lose draft picks plus fined. It's a way of keeping the integrity of the league with binding contracts. If a player asks for a release of his contract, they lose their signing bonus plus the remainder of their contract, some signing bonuses are quite large if they are an elite player.

The NRL might learn a bit about contractual obligations from the NFL.


NFLplayers are contracted directly with the NFL and they have a draft. Very different and I cant see the Players Association agreeing to either of those changes.

Yes, they have a draft, but they are not contracted directly through the NFL. They are contracted through the organisation, but represent the league. All contracts must be registered with the NFL, like in the NRL.

Some NRL personalities have mentioned that we go to a draft, but I'm not sold on that idea yet.

But I said the NRL could "learn" something about contractual obligations, not adopt the whole structure.

 

[isaaktigers]

I had to sign up because personally this effected me more than anything.

but after a scroll through Instagram and facebook and looking at how other Wests Tigers players are responding speaks words of whats happening in the club at the moment.

It seems like all of them are in school still, acting like brothers and protecting eachother over the fake news and the supporters, like myself that are so so so annoyed and angry about the club over the last few years venting their frustrations.. WITH Them replying to people..

Personally, I believe that a few people will leave the Tigers after their contract, this mainly being Thomas Mikaele (whom I feel will leave with a early release and go to Broncos) and Nofa, whom will be sick of the club and other people leaving.. who else really? My reasoning for this is that the two people listed are high influenced on commenting on angry fans on social media...

End of the day, I believe tigers wont be anywhere in 2021, but 2022 we will have the warchest like Bulldogs have at the moment, just hope this time we spend wisely... once the Tigers get into 8 and into the top 4.. watch the supporter base grow to the BIGGEST NRL team with fan numbers.. just need a good run.. and people who reply to me and say it wont ever happen... why do you think there is a Wests Tigers post on social media or from news outlets everyday? BECAUSE we have the biggest following.. OR that we just love bait articles more than anyone else lol..

eitherway.. I think close down the forums for 1 month to have a break and update and start the forum fresh with 0 posts on everything and go from there.

 

[supercoach]

Going to have plenty of big names running around in reggies this year. Probably have half of our NRL cap running around in black and white

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The bloke has stuck with us through injuries, drama, multiple coaches and has put up with a lot.

We don't know for sure that he even said that or exactly what has happened. We can only speculate.

What we do know is that we have a bonehead Chair that seems to be quoting the 1985 edition of Negotiating for Dummies.

The irony is you draw conclusions about our Board/ CEO and chair and yet you have no evidence either. A tad hypocritical methinks.

Yea this comment doesn’t make sense , when you factoring in , that we signed him mid season from Parramatta . But anyways , his job is to get hurt and hurt people and get injured etc . It’s like a rigger saying “but I had to go great heights and risk my life in a harness “ yep , that’s the job buddy . That’s what you get paid for ..

 

[JD Tiger]

My memory isn't always what it used to be, but wasn't Matterson arguably our best forward in 2019, then he agitated for a release. Now our best forward from 2020 wants a release?

Fingers crossed MBye has a break out year next year. Though he's probably on too much to ever want out.

 

[hobbo1]

Come on hobbo everyone loved BIG keithy

Big Sheila

 

[hobbo1]

Going to have plenty of big names running around in reggies this year. Probably have half of our NRL cap running around in black and white

They still won’t win the comp

 

[hugggarz]

Hugely disappointed in how things have unfolded.

I don't know how bringing Matterson into the discussion while choosing to ignore the fact we are undergoing yet another retention blunder helps. I couldn't care less about player reputations once they leave our club but rather more how we can change ours re: our retention/recruitment.

I'm also pretty certain Twal is actually his best mate, so does that mean we'll lose him? Who cares if players wish to follow suit of other former players. The concern should be more focused on our most problematic issues. Prospects won't care about the reasons either however will more likely question our treatment of players.

No retention blunder from listening to Lee H on radio we made offers back and forth and then Josh A has said i am leaving as he has a bigger offer from club x
This is just like Matterson and listening to Lee H we will not be releasing players anymore
Josh you are out of luck

Look I get all that but it's not how it's gonna play out in the media. We all have a loyalty to the club and personal bias but this doesn't help the perception of the club's retention and recruitment one bit. Which is my whole point.

You do have a point. Aloiai is showing himself to be a scummy player, with no loyalty to the club being showed. But, if we were run more professionally as a club, there would be less opportunity for players to do this.

Look at Storm, JAC said he wanted out, Storm said wait a year then we'll talk. JAC waited a whole year, then agitated again. Storm thought about it, and in the end topped him a little for his final year and said no you can stay with us another year. JAC never publicly bad-mouthed Storm. Even though he wanted out/ wanted more money/whatever.

Like you said, I also worry what this will do to our reputation in attracting other players. It certainly won't help.

Consider Stefano's situation. He had a bigger contract here waiting for him and would have got a heap more top grade experience to develop his game but Parra was happy to leave him out or give him some token seconds off the bench.
Never once did he tantrum or agitate, he just got on with it, trying to make the best of what he had. That's the type of bloke I can get behind and who I want playing for us.

 

[CarltonDry]

I'm a big fan of the NFL, watch my Carolina Panthers every Monday morning, and in the NFL, a team or an agent can not negotiate with another team within a contract of player. If found out to be guilty of doing so, a player and/or his agent can be suspended league wide for a period of time & an organisation will lose draft picks plus fined. It's a way of keeping the integrity of the league with binding contracts. If a player asks for a release of his contract, they lose their signing bonus plus the remainder of their contract, some signing bonuses are quite large if they are an elite player.

The NRL might learn a bit about contractual obligations from the NFL.

Draft and trade system makes it happen with a. Seperate college league as the feeder system. Contracts have value as they are traded for players and picks. Best young talent goes to the worst team. This happens in the NFL see Antinion Brown, Leveon Bell but over there they cop penalties and sacrifice contracts. Over here they cry and get a release.

There's nothing wrong with crying, I cry everytime the Washington Generals lose ?

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

If Aloiai wants out of WT'S and Schuster still wants out of Lottoland I could entertain the word SWAP

 

[Papacito]

The bloke has stuck with us through injuries, drama, multiple coaches and has put up with a lot.

We don't know for sure that he even said that or exactly what has happened. We can only speculate.

What we do know is that we have a bonehead Chair that seems to be quoting the 1985 edition of Negotiating for Dummies.

The irony is you draw conclusions about our Board/ CEO and chair and yet you have no evidence either. A tad hypocritical methinks.

The Chair's the only one playing this out in public.

 

[Russell]

They can have Garner and Aloiai for Schuster and Sironen, wouldn't mind that

Sironen wouldn't come back here for a bet..having yourself on.

 

[Tim Sheens]

SAYFARTH will grow into a monster and be our next Big Keithy

He will need a lot of practice in finding his front and getting a decent play the ball away first.

 

[rah53]

I'm a big fan of the NFL, watch my Carolina Panthers every Monday morning, and in the NFL, a team or an agent can not negotiate with another team within a contract of player. If found out to be guilty of doing so, a player and/or his agent can be suspended league wide for a period of time & an organisation will lose draft picks plus fined. It's a way of keeping the integrity of the league with binding contracts. If a player asks for a release of his contract, they lose their signing bonus plus the remainder of their contract, some signing bonuses are quite large if they are an elite player.

The NRL might learn a bit about contractual obligations from the NFL.

Draft and trade system makes it happen with a. Seperate college league as the feeder system. Contracts have value as they are traded for players and picks. Best young talent goes to the worst team. This happens in the NFL see Antinion Brown, Leveon Bell but over there they cop penalties and sacrifice contracts. Over here they cry and get a release.

You've missed my point. I'm talking about breaking contracts/contractual obligations. Me saying the organisation lose draft picks is something of high value in the NFL. A fine is peanuts. But in the NRL, a hefty fine is a big deal especially with the majority of clubs strapped for cash. But even the wealthier club wouldn't want to pay a fine to break a player from their contract.

 

[isaaktigers]

Also, I do believe people are right about Pascoe.. needs a haircut.. looks like a drunken hobo..

as well as Hartigan, he couldn't even iron his shirt..

LMAO!

 

[diedpretty]

Lee on SEN now saying he will be pushing the NRL to ensure that players requesting releases on compassionate grounds cannot profit from the release and that their remuneration should remain the same for the remaining period on the defaulted contract.

I agree with him. Should generate support from all clubs.

If this constant defaulting on contracts stops it should arrest the rapid rate of increasing player salaries.

This would stop players leaving for any financial incentive (as far as anyone can see legally at least), but if a player simply wants out to play for another club then this instead will benefit the club they're heading to (and open up more options for the player, since every club only needs to pay this set amount). So it's a step in the right direction, but only half the puzzle.

Yea it doesn't really take away the incentive to move. Clubs would just reaarange their cap by front loading someone else for the following year and upping the moved players contract the following year . i.e..1.8mill over 3 years equates to 600k each year but if they can only pay him 400k year 1 they frontload someone else 200k for that year and pay the remainder of the contract over the following 2 years.

The bbetter option as someone pointed out on here earlier is that they pay the 600k as per contract but also have to carry the amount of the contract remaining at the other club on their salary cap . So as per the example they would pay the player 600k but have to carry amil on the cap. Salary cap penalties are a much bigger disencentive for clubs to poach.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I had to sign up because personally this effected me more than anything.

but after a scroll through Instagram and facebook and looking at how other Wests Tigers players are responding speaks words of whats happening in the club at the moment.

It seems like all of them are in school still, acting like brothers and protecting eachother over the fake news and the supporters, like myself that are so so so annoyed and angry about the club over the last few years venting their frustrations.. WITH Them replying to people..

Personally, I believe that a few people will leave the Tigers after their contract, this mainly being Thomas Mikaele (whom I feel will leave with a early release and go to Broncos) and Nofa, whom will be sick of the club and other people leaving.. who else really? My reasoning for this is that the two people listed are high influenced on commenting on angry fans on social media...

End of the day, I believe tigers wont be anywhere in 2021, but 2022 we will have the warchest like Bulldogs have at the moment, just hope this time we spend wisely... once the Tigers get into 8 and into the top 4.. watch the supporter base grow to the BIGGEST NRL team with fan numbers.. just need a good run.. and people who reply to me and say it wont ever happen... why do you think there is a Wests Tigers post on social media or from news outlets everyday? BECAUSE we have the biggest following.. OR that we just love bait articles more than anyone else lol..

eitherway.. I think close down the forums for 1 month to have a break and update and start the forum fresh with 0 posts on everything and go from there.

Why? Go read a Philadelphia sports teams forum . Or thier social media . You want to see ruthless read that stuff . Or Boston for that matter . Or at George to keep it close to home . Or Collingwood for ruthless . These guys are getting paid to win football games , basically by the people commenting here and there . Because that’s where the money comes from. People paying for Foxtel, buying mercy , season tickets, corporate boxes ... and they want us to win . And we arnt at the moment . I’m loyal to the guys who show loyalty , but to imply the club is wrong for giving short demands and not matching outlandish money is just plain wrong .
For reference guys go listen to the “ringer NBA podcast . The episode released today or yesterday . Former NBA player Raja Bell describes how the Utah Jazz , the team he was playing for , did exactly what we did to Josh . Didn’t offer him heaps , took their time negotiating , and the Suns , came in and offered him heaps . He left for the money . He doesnt bag the Jazz . He’s like well if you don’t want to match it , later . It’s business .
Some of these dudes are so immature . Even by sports players standards

 

[Russell]

We can point our figures at the players as much as we want. The fact is that we've had several over the last few years that thought airing their dirty laundry in the media was fine... at best, that is a severe lack of respect for the club. That's even including Chris Lawerence.

There is something in our management structure that means we're not earning that respect. I've had a few conversations with Pascoe and from some tidbits, I can see why.

To provide some insight into what I've seen - I actually called the club to try to add them to my will recently. Wanted to give $100k+ as part of the foundation. Justin was great and gave me a 1-on-1 call, walked me through the new COE video etc. but I still am yet to hear back from the club about which entity to put my money to (i.e. Foundation). This was 3-4 months ago.

Sure, it doesn't rank highly in terms of priorities, but it goes to the core of a real lack of urgency/professionalism that we're seeing here. I'm not going to donate now, and I can see why the players also feel this desire to pull away from the club.

Something in management needs to change. Is all this cost-cutting to remain profitable impacting our ability to respond quickly to important issues?

Aloiai, McIntyre, Lawrence... Respect goes both ways.

Don't think I read or heard any respect coming from the club before they jumped up and down.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Lee on SEN now saying he will be pushing the NRL to ensure that players requesting releases on compassionate grounds cannot profit from the release and that their remuneration should remain the same for the remaining period on the defaulted contract.

I agree with him. Should generate support from all clubs.

If this constant defaulting on contracts stops it should arrest the rapid rate of increasing player salaries.

This would stop players leaving for any financial incentive (as far as anyone can see legally at least), but if a player simply wants out to play for another club then this instead will benefit the club they're heading to (and open up more options for the player, since every club only needs to pay this set amount). So it's a step in the right direction, but only half the puzzle.

Yea it doesn't really take away the incentive to move. Clubs would just reaarange their cap by front loading someone else for the following year and upping the moved players contract the following year . i.e..1.8mill over 3 years equates to 600k each year but if they can only pay him 400k year 1 they frontload someone else 200k for that year and pay the remainder of the contract over the following 2 years.

The bbetter option as someone pointed out on here earlier is that they pay the 600k as per contract but also have to carry the amount of the contract remaining at the other club on their salary cap . So as per the example they would pay the player 600k but have to carry amil on the cap. Salary cap penalties are a much bigger disencentive for clubs to poach.

Just simply honour the contracts , and have a trade season and deadline . There’s no getting out of contracts , but you can force a trade during trade season . The AFL does it , and every other major sports organisation not named FIFA.