America - Gun Control

[Munk]

Actually, i wrote a long reply to Nelsons post both agreeing with it and adding some more information. It was deleted for some reason.

It wasn't deleted. Any posts that are moderated appear to the mod team still. There have been no deleted posts by either users or the mod team since Nelson's post.

Maybe you didn't post it properly? I've done that a handful of times myself. My favourite trick is to hit the Preview button instead of submit and then skip onto another topic.

Oh ok, yes that is a possibility.
Essentially I agreed with a lot of what Nelson posted likening the strategy to the war against cigarette smokers. It is the right track to take as it does not talk down to gun owners, treats them with the respect most of them deserve whilst achieving desired outcomes. It should only be part 1 of the overall strategy as it does not tackle contributing factors to the violence but it was well written.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Nobody in the Church was armed. Only the bad guy. The one who was banned by law from owning guns, but didn't pay attention to gun control laws and shot people anyway.

He was banned from owning a gun, but what about his wife and others that he lived in. He might have not been able to legally own a gun, but he had access to one

He did purchase the weapon, there was a SNAFU with the Air Force and his bad conduct discharge and the grounds for it (domestic violence,) being relayed to the FBI to go on their criminal background system. He snuck through the system and was still able to purchase the weapons "legally" despite having convictions that should have disqualified him.

If the due diligence was done by the USAF, a gun control law would have prevented him from purchasing the rifles he used to murder people. I do concede however it wouldn't have been hard for him to circumvent the law and source an illegal firearm or thieve a gun from a family member etc and still commit the murders.

One of the problems the 'stop the guns' crowd has is statistics. Countries like Israel, Switzerland, Czech Republic, have similar policies on buying weapons (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic)
However, number of homicides, and shooting incidents in the above countries, is below countries like Australia where we have stringent gun control.
While it is true that USA has one of the highest number of gun homicides, this is in 90%+ due to their biggest cities, where the Dems are in power and where they already have very stringent gun control.
Please explain?

It's not a Dems v GOP issue or left v right issue.

A lot of Dems are gun owners and are just as likely to resist changes to the laws.

I can't recall every post in this thread so I can't speak for anyone else but I am certain I haven't mentioned it being a Democratic or Republican owned problem at all as it isn't as simple as that. I'm pretty sure Obama had both houses at one point so he could have pushed gun reform laws through if he wanted to, obviously the party didn't feel the same way he did.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Actually, i wrote a long reply to Nelsons post both agreeing with it and adding some more information. It was deleted for some reason.

It wasn't deleted. Any posts that are moderated appear to the mod team still. There have been no deleted posts by either users or the mod team since Nelson's post.

Maybe you didn't post it properly? I've done that a handful of times myself. My favourite trick is to hit the Preview button instead of submit and then skip onto another topic.

Oh ok, yes that is a possibility.
Essentially I agreed with a lot of what Nelson posted likening the strategy to the war against cigarette smokers. It is the right track to take as it does not talk down to gun owners, treats them with the respect most of them deserve whilst achieving desired outcomes. It should only be part 1 of the overall strategy as it does not tackle contributing factors to the violence but it was well written.

Or just do what our government does and tax the bejesus out them.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Excellent idea to tax guns to recover all the expense caused by gun use i.e.,investigating murders, law courts, prisons, capital punishment, pain and sorrow to victims and relos etc..

Make it use pays like all libertarians and economic rationalists subscribe to.

 

[Tigerdon]

Excellent idea to tax guns to recover all the expense caused by gun use i.e.,investigating murders, law courts, prisons, capital punishment, pain and sorrow to victims and relos etc..

Make it use pays like all libertarians and economic rationalists subscribe to.

yep. also use the taxes for hospitals and victims funerals

 

[earl]

Funny how no one in our country who was banned from having a gun has managed to kill 30 people.

Funny? I'd say fortunate.

Really ????
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I think we all know GNR is using the word "funny" as Ironic..not the '"haHa" meaning.

I know the context he used the word.

Its not ironic this hasn't happened in Australia.

We have just been lucky so far, that's all. There is literally nothing to stop this happening tomorrow anywhere in this country.

So it has nothing to do with less guns being available.

 

[Munk]

Excellent idea to tax guns to recover all the expense caused by gun use i.e.,investigating murders, law courts, prisons, capital punishment, pain and sorrow to victims and relos etc..

Make it use pays like all libertarians and economic rationalists subscribe to.

Yep that may stop people like you shooting at squatters and their children.

 

[jadtiger]

Brain dead president Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon actually said words to the effect today "that they where lucky to have their gun laws as they are or the perpetrator would have killed hundreds more but was only stopped by a hero with another gun".
That logic is so full of flaws it defies analysis.No wonder the russians wanted him for president

 

[Tigerdon]

Excellent idea to tax guns to recover all the expense caused by gun use i.e.,investigating murders, law courts, prisons, capital punishment, pain and sorrow to victims and relos etc..

Make it use pays like all libertarians and economic rationalists subscribe to.

Yep that may stop people like you shooting at squatters and their children.

rrrrrRRRROOOOWWWWwwwwww. That's a bit catty

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Have to admit Byron has lost all credibility since admitting to shooting at people who posed no threat to him.

 

[Geo]

Have to admit Byron has lost all credibility since admitting to shooting at people who posed no threat to him.

No..it was way way way before that…

 

[Munk]

Brain dead president Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon actually said words to the effect today "that they where lucky to have their gun laws as they are or the perpetrator would have killed hundreds more but was only stopped by a hero with another gun".
That logic is so full of flaws it defies analysis.No wonder the russians wanted him for president

The brain dead multi billionaire president ? If only we were all so dumb.

 

[Munk]

Excellent idea to tax guns to recover all the expense caused by gun use i.e.,investigating murders, law courts, prisons, capital punishment, pain and sorrow to victims and relos etc..

Make it use pays like all libertarians and economic rationalists subscribe to.

Yep that may stop people like you shooting at squatters and their children.

rrrrrRRRROOOOWWWWwwwwww. That's a bit catty

…and yours is very effeminate. Do you talk like that normally or did your 12 year old daughter get a hold of the ipad?

 

[jadtiger]

Brain dead president Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon actually said words to the effect today "that they where lucky to have their gun laws as they are or the perpetrator would have killed hundreds more but was only stopped by a hero with another gun".
That logic is so full of flaws it defies analysis.No wonder the russians wanted him for president

The brain dead multi billionaire president ? If only we were all so dumb.

I have seen things floating in toilet bowls with more intelligence than him

 

[Munk]

Brain dead president Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon actually said words to the effect today "that they where lucky to have their gun laws as they are or the perpetrator would have killed hundreds more but was only stopped by a hero with another gun".
That logic is so full of flaws it defies analysis.No wonder the russians wanted him for president

The brain dead multi billionaire president ? If only we were all so dumb.

I have seen things floating in toilet bowls with more intelligence than him

How did you measure that?

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Have to admit Byron has lost all credibility since admitting to shooting at people who posed no threat to him.

No..it was way way way before that…

Gee you guys like having it both ways, I spin yarns that no one believes then you all want to hang me over. Now should I wind the fishing line in a bit or let it run a bit more?

Did I tell you the one about stealing the prize water melon from the show and the grower unknowingly joins us in eating it outside under a tree?

 

[Yossarian]

Nah I love the anecdotes! You just need to warn us if one of them is actually true!

 

[MG1962]

One of the problems the 'stop the guns' crowd has is statistics. Countries like Israel, Switzerland, Czech Republic, have similar policies on buying weapons (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic)
However, number of homicides, and shooting incidents in the above countries, is below countries like Australia where we have stringent gun control.
While it is true that USA has one of the highest number of gun homicides, this is in 90%+ due to their biggest cities, where the Dems are in power and where they already have very stringent gun control.
Please explain?

Your argument collapses when the following information is added to the mix

Per head of population:

Switzerland has a 1/4 the amount of guns the US has

Czeh Republic has 1/8th the amount of guns the US has

Israel has 1/10th the amount of guns the US has.

 

[Munk]

One of the problems the 'stop the guns' crowd has is statistics. Countries like Israel, Switzerland, Czech Republic, have similar policies on buying weapons (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic)
However, number of homicides, and shooting incidents in the above countries, is below countries like Australia where we have stringent gun control.
While it is true that USA has one of the highest number of gun homicides, this is in 90%+ due to their biggest cities, where the Dems are in power and where they already have very stringent gun control.
Please explain?

Your argument collapses when the following information is added to the mix

Per head of population:

Switzerland has a 1/4 the amount of guns the US has

Czeh Republic has 1/8th the amount of guns the US has

Israel has 1/10th the amount of guns the US has.

Where did those figures come from MG?
From what i have read, as of last year, the Swiss are 3rd highest per capita worldwide with 45.7 guns per 100 people as opposed to Americas 88.8 guns per 100 people. Closer to a 1/2 than a 1/4 wouldnt you say?

 

[MG1962]

One of the problems the 'stop the guns' crowd has is statistics. Countries like Israel, Switzerland, Czech Republic, have similar policies on buying weapons (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic)
However, number of homicides, and shooting incidents in the above countries, is below countries like Australia where we have stringent gun control.
While it is true that USA has one of the highest number of gun homicides, this is in 90%+ due to their biggest cities, where the Dems are in power and where they already have very stringent gun control.
Please explain?

Your argument collapses when the following information is added to the mix

Per head of population:

Switzerland has a 1/4 the amount of guns the US has

Czeh Republic has 1/8th the amount of guns the US has

Israel has 1/10th the amount of guns the US has.

Where did those figures come from MG?
From what i have read, as of last year, the Swiss are 3rd highest per capita worldwide with 45.7 guns per 100 people as opposed to Americas 88.8 guns per 100 people. Closer to a 1/2 than a 1/4 wouldnt you say?

Same place the poster I responded to got his

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country