Anderson/2013/Perennial Inconsistency

[AmericanHistoryX]

Well, if we have to put up with Sheens & perennial inconsitency then I want Daniel Anderson in the fold somewhere. God bless Steve Georgallis - but Daniel is our man. - get him on board as an assistant. We keep buying players but we remain inconsistent - the problem lies elsewhere dont you think. No of course it wont work - yes im with you - Tim Sheens is stubborn & bows down to no one - ok - forget about Anderson. With Sheens yes, he is good, but he is not an eighty minute a game revolutionary - he relies on magic. But once you know the tricks its not magic anymore. We have a coach who gets us up for the big games only. The irony being that we need to get in the 8 first. This post is born from the fact that we have over half the team with international honours and orgin experience, otherwise I'd have to say we had a great season to more than match the benchmark last night. What will be different in 2013? Anyone? Judging from our short history - our hopes each year for our team do not reflect reality. But in all fairness seens Sheens came he has given us hope. The Wests Tigers is a good brand name since Sheens, he revolutionized us and we have thus evolved - but that was yesterday. Yes. its safe with Sheens, but who's going to to talk to the dreamers in all of us. I havent seen Cinderella since 2005.

 

[alex]

Sheens has done his job here at the Wests Tigers. He was brought in to bring the club to the point where it is at today. We were a shambles on the field in those early years, and he's been instrumental in creating the brand of the Wests Tigers as we see it today. As I said, his job is done. Time for a change, please.

I saw yesterday that Daniel Anderson has been added to the NSW Coach mix for 2013\. Hopefully that means he's still got an urge to coach in the NRL rather than focus on his media commitments with the ABC. Fingers crossed, I would love to see him here.

 

[innsaneink]

I dont think anyone wants Sheens job, no one in their right mind would touch it with a barge pole.
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Just look at our board.

Look at our cliquey group.

Look at the in-laws.

Look at State cup mess.

Look at the grounds situation.

Baggage…we have it in spades.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well, if we have to put up with Sheens & perennial inconsitency then I want Daniel Anderson in the fold somewhere. God bless Steve Georgallis - but Daniel is our man. - get him on board as an assistant. We keep buying players but we remain inconsistent - the problem lies elsewhere dont you think. No of course it wont work - yes im with you - Tim Sheens is stubborn & bows down to no one - ok - forget about Anderson. With Sheens yes, he is good, but he is not an eighty minute a game revolutionary - he relies on magic. But once you know the tricks its not magic anymore. We have a coach who gets us up for the big games only. The irony being that we need to get in the 8 first. This post is born from the fact that we have over half the team with international honours and orgin experience, otherwise I'd have to say we had a great season to more than match the benchmark last night. What will be different in 2013? Anyone? Judging from our short history - our hopes each year for our team do not reflect reality. But in all fairness seens Sheens came he has given us hope. The Wests Tigers is a good brand name since Sheens, he revolutionized us and we have thus evolved - but that was yesterday. Yes. its safe with Sheens, but who's going to to talk to the dreamers in all of us. I havent seen Cinderella since 2005.

Cinderella used all of her fairy dust on Sheens and the Tigers in 2005

He could of bought some more fairy dust for this season , but instead bought Blair

 

[jas83]

I dont think anyone wants Sheens job, no one in their right mind would touch it with a barge pole.
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Just look at our board.

Look at our cliquey group.

Look at the in-laws.

Look at State cup mess.

Look at the grounds situation.

Baggage…we have it in spades.

No positives? I think most coaches would Love to coach us.

 

[angeman]

I dont think anyone wants Sheens job, no one in their right mind would touch it with a barge pole.
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Just look at our board.

Look at our cliquey group.

Look at the in-laws.

Look at State cup mess.

Look at the grounds situation.

Baggage…we have it in spades.

No positives? I think most coaches would Love to coach us.

A lot of issues true but coaches looking for a (re)start to their careers would - Taylor, folkes, etc
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[mtd]

im as frustrated as the rest.. but anderson? please… whats the saying same knit different smell?

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Anyone MTD - anyone - someone!!!
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[kh_canada]

Bulldogs get a new coach and some decent players (Inu) and look at then. However then there's the warriors and manly who have new coaches and have suffered this season.
So the dice could roll either way
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[Twodogs]

Nothing will change until Sheens goes, and he's not leaving of his own accord until he hits 65\. I'll just tune in when we're putting the effort in for spectacle's sake as it will never happen with any consistency.
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[Goose]

We will beat the roosters next week and make the Semies for the 3rd consecutive year, after running top4 in the previous 2, we are hardly a basket case and I think we are in a very good spot moving forward resigning some excellent young talent moving forward (Noffa, Koro, Tedesco and Sirro) hopefully we keep the likes of Lovett, Vela and Santi as well, and generation next is well and truely covered.

BTW Anderson himself has said on many occasions the window for coaching NRL has passed him by, and the game has moved on, I cant see him putting his hand up anytime soon

 

[alex]

Souths and Bulldogs both finished outside the 8 last year. Both are now in the top 3 teams and one is all but guaranteed the minor premiership. What's the mutual factor? Both have new coaches. While the Bulldogs have some additions to their roster, Souths were pretty much unchanged, with the new faces all being brought up through the lower grades - Reynolds, Everingham, McQueen etc. Maguire made some smart choices by moving Inglis to fullback, and put faith in young players like Reynolds. New ideas. Fresh approach. What we need!

 

[851]

Bulldogs get a new coach and some decent players (Inu) and look at then. However then there's the warriors and manly who have new coaches and have suffered this season.
So the dice could roll either way
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Manly are the form team and premiership favourites and sit in the top 4,don't how they suffered.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I am not convinced that one can say: 'new coach' implies 'better results', as there are cases like NZW, Panthers, StSteelers, and even Newcastle.
Unfortunately, it is not that simple, as illustrated by the above examples. :slight_smile:

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Bulldogs get a new coach and some decent players (Inu) and look at then. However then there's the warriors and manly who have new coaches and have suffered this season.
So the dice could roll either way
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Manly are the form team and premiership favourites and sit in the top 4,don't how they suffered.

+1 Eagles are still the team to beat…

 

[magpiecol]

Well, if we have to put up with Sheens & perennial inconsitency then I want Daniel Anderson in the fold somewhere. God bless Steve Georgallis - but Daniel is our man. - get him on board as an assistant. We keep buying players but we remain inconsistent - the problem lies elsewhere dont you think. No of course it wont work - yes im with you - Tim Sheens is stubborn & bows down to no one - ok - forget about Anderson. With Sheens yes, he is good, but he is not an eighty minute a game revolutionary - he relies on magic. But once you know the tricks its not magic anymore. We have a coach who gets us up for the big games only. The irony being that we need to get in the 8 first. This post is born from the fact that we have over half the team with international honours and orgin experience, otherwise I'd have to say we had a great season to more than match the benchmark last night. What will be different in 2013? Anyone? Judging from our short history - our hopes each year for our team do not reflect reality. But in all fairness seens Sheens came he has given us hope. The Wests Tigers is a good brand name since Sheens, he revolutionized us and we have thus evolved - but that was yesterday. Yes. its safe with Sheens, but who's going to to talk to the dreamers in all of us. I havent seen Cinderella since 2005.

Cinderella used all of her fairy dust on Sheens and the Tigers in 2005

He could of bought some more fairy dust for this season , but instead bought Blair

Give it a rest.

 

[Tigersmurf]

I like Anderson, it just worries me that he has trouble keeping control long term. Each club he goes too has early success but then fall away. I could see him having massive disputes with Benji or Robbie.

We should never have lost Folkes. Hard work and discipline = long term success. We lack in both.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Unfortunately, all one can see here are just emotional, childish outbursts, 'I want this today, but I will want something else tomorrow' :frowning:

In the real business world, when a company wants to implement a change, clever companies perform a number of analysis/reviews and do not just jump and implement a change for the change sake (like Parra :slight_smile: ).
One example that comes to mind is 'gap analysis' eg. the gap between 'what we have now' and 'what we want'.
So in the case of Sheens, I prefer before jumping to a conclusion, to see a list or requirements for a coach that will take us to 'where we want to be' and than look for a coach that can satisfy the requirements.

For instance some of requirements can be:
- a coach that will build on capabilities of the current players;
- proven coach, with reputation to continue to attract/keep the best players;
- coach with demonstrated record:
improving players;
his teams played strong defence, every game;
strong enough to replace 'out of form players' with better alternatives, when faced with stakeholders pressure;

Go Tigers

 

[The_Tooth]

I'm content with Sheens. I can see some valid points in a change of coaches but for me its too big a gamble. We have been a whisker away from the last 2 grandfinals. I really cant see what Sheens could have done better or how a different coach would have made a difference.

One thing I really like about Sheens was on show in the post match interviews after the doggies game, where he didn't want to harp on a referees decision that can't be changed. Alot of other coaches would be pulling doors off hinges, throwing gatorade bottles or coping fines for critising the refs. That behaviour runs down through the players and I can't stand whingers. He also said we had our chances with Robbies field goal attempt which also emphasises that the players are more to blame in most cases then the coach.

 

[Go_Moltzen]

Throw the cheque book at Bellamy. Give him full support to kick out the deadwood & shake up the highly paid "stars" who have failed to handle pressure in the clutch do or die games, season after season. In Melbourne Bellamy is the boss, period…not Slater, not Cronk & not Smith. Bellamy is the man who calls the shots. The Tigers have three.

It's ancient history now but the Tigers have failed post Scott Prince who left years ago. Tigers should have made the GF in 2010 &/or 2011\. We are all frustrated, p***ed off. Humphreys over to you...