Andrew Fifita

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Actually, I think we might be attacking this question from a slightly wrong angle.

Nobody questions whether or not Galloway is a good prop- he obviously is, and would be highly valued on the open market by most NRL teams.

The way I look at it though is for 'value'. And by that, I don't mean minutes played vs impact- I mean salary cap value compared to impact. Galloway is on around $300k from memory- maybe higher? Can't quite remember.

Either way- he's one of the 'elite' players of the squad, financially, and as a result, should be required to excel in order to justify his salary. The argument about Galloway is used in comparison in some parts to Fifita, and others with Gibbs. Neither of these guys, at this stage, are 'elite' players for the squad, or looked upon as the type of player that will transform/change the Tigers pack from one that competes to one that dominates. Adam Blair, on the other hand, has to be considered 'elite'- particularly if his contract value is even somewhere close to the reported $500k. So the loss of Fifita, Gibbs & Payten & possibly a Fulton, for example, when compared to an 'elite' player like Blair- is quite acceptable- after all, Blair 'should' have a greater impact on the play of the Tigers forwards than any of the previously mentioned players.

Here's the kicker though- this is the 'salary cap' era, as well as the 'top 25 player squad' era. So roster management is not just about getting 'elite' players- but balancing the 'elite' players/salaries with the 'grunts'- guys that do a good job at a value rate- guys like Gibbs, Fulton- etc. As I see it- Galloway, Farah, Marshall, Lote, Lawrence & Heighington would probably be the 'elite' guys as far as contract value goes. Adding Blair to that means we then have to fill the roles of Gibbs, Fulton (possibly), Ryan (possibly), McKinnon, Payten,Fifita, the Shirnaks (possibly), Flanagan & Mitch Brown (possibly) with players of 'lesser' contract value (as Blair's inclusion takes up a large chunk of the money saved by losing these players) but still retain the same level of productivity from these lesser contract players.

Essentially, the 'real value/risk/reward' to signing Blair will only partly be seen by the play of Blair- he'll obviously be required to upgrade his level of play & have some positive impact on the play of the Tigers to justify his value (we should expect much closer to dominant forward displays by the pack- in other words). But the value/impact of the cheaper contract guys replacing the players released to accomodate Blair- Payten's replacement, Gibbs' replacement, Brown's replacement, Ryan's replacement- etc, must also be of an equal standard to the guys released to fit Blair under the Cap. If the 'grunts' brought in to fill these roles are not up to the standard required- it's quite possible that the Tigers, while strengthening 1 player/position, have essentially weakened the 'team'- and this is simply not going to be acceptable, is it?

So- back to Galloway vs Fifita..or even Gibbs for argument's sake- would replacing 1 'elite' player (Galloway) to bring in Blair be better value than using Woods/Groat or as many other untested players will be required to fill the gaps left by the departing players? At this stage- hard to say. On paper, it'll look great having Blair & Galloway paired up- but if Johnny No-Name from the reggies can't fill that back-up wing role when Lote/Utai get hurt as well as Mitch Brown does- are we ahead? Or behind? That'll be the test.

That'll be where we see if we got value- or if we sacrificed the 'team' for 1 upgraded position.
 
Galloway is only 26 in September Demps, he's hardly over the hill. He's also by and far our most consistent front rower.

His only issue is that he's made of tissue and spit and gets hurt way too easily. If you wanted to look at it from a value for money angle you'd say Fifita.
 
Fifita reminds me of Willie Manu. When he does something good it tends to be amazing, but the majority of what he does is average.

Sure Fifita has some awesome highlights, there was the 40m try run against Raiders or that fend on Jeremy Latimore (amongst others). But most of his hitups are not hugely effective and we don't go forward on his back, we use him to attack when close.

We also use Dwyer in close and even Fulton has bagged a few tries at the line.

The point was made above that Fifita's new contract is approx the same value as Galloway's. I don't think there is much argument at the moment that we don't get that value from Fifita; Galloway is a proven performer. Sharkies can afford to punt on his potential because they have lots of spare cap and nobody else to run on. We have kids lining up to fill the prop spots and I think the right decision has been made.
 
Fifita's attitude sucks, that's why he off to shark park next year.
I'd take Galloway anyday, a proven performer above a reputation that outways the reality.
 
i think fifita could be anything, but it is difficult to put a price on potential. I think Galloway is a more proven performer
 
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

we should keep all our players, and they should all play for minimum wage becoz they love the club

:dead :bash :brick:
 
Both players for mind have their pros and cons;

Fifita - I would have to agree with prattenpark, the word around is that his attitude at training is poor and while he is big, young and capable of producing an aggressive run he primarily runs more in the fashion of a crab and doesn't have a high defensive work rate.

Sauce - On his day, he is a quality front rower capable of being damaging in attack and defense and his influence on the field is without question for mind (as seen in the difference between the go forward when he is on the paddock to when he is off it). Injuries or not he is the best front rower we have got. I just wish he would work out just how big of a unit he is (unfortunately on the brief occasions in each game that he does, Sheensy takes him off).

As a club we have, in my opinion, developed a culture over the years of producing props with high work rates that largely don't bend the line enough in attack, thus we often lack the go forward needed for our halves and Robbie to produce. While Fifita showed this potential we have a couple of other young blokes in the mix ie Woods, Groat and Begovich who from what I have seen have the potential to provide the team with said much needed go forward. Sauce should have this pointed out to him and start showing the way!
 
@prattenpark said:
Fifita's attitude sucks, that's why he off to shark park next year.
I'd take Galloway anyday, a proven performer above a reputation that outways the reality.

Agreed, I'll have Sauce, an experienced front rower who keeps his head down and gets on with his business and he's not a media personality. Would like to see him become more of an aggressive leader from the front in the pack.
 
Galloway has had a fair crack at proving himself and IMO has failed, rarely cracks 100m per game and IMO doesnt take enough hit ups. Fifita while raw would of been the better option long term to keep galloway has no mongrel in him which is sad really for a guy his size
 
We have to look at value for money and IMO, Galloway has been a dud buy for us so far in this area.

He does play a strong game but we only get half the minutes per game out of him, he seems to get injured every other month and doesnt have the fire in the belly that I love.

That being said, his impact is bigger than Fifita's so I guess I'd choose him while I'm waiting for Woodsey and co to fully develop.
 
fifita doesnt fit into sheens game plan, he is too unrealiable…. his sideways runs, pushing blokes off him kills all go-forward our pack makes, esp now markers dont need to stand square and wrestling in the ruck can go on till the bloke with the ball gives up.
sauce is one that goes forward, he has a quick play the ball and drags in 3 to 4 players each hit up.... if he played in a pack where everyone of them done this he would be playing for australia. He is safe, never been suspended and dont think he has ever had a season ending injury... so injury prone ???

club made the right decision. esp with woods, BMM, groat and begevich coming through
 
Galloway would be my choice.

Yes fifita has got good potential but he doesnt do what is needed from him.

Fifita went missing tonight all the time when going was tough during our hitups (especially when we were in our half).

He is happy to be involved in defense or when we are on their line, but apart from that he lurks wide of the ruck and doesnt want to do the hard work.

Galloway puts his' hand up all the time to eat up the metres like is required 1st and 2nd tackles, by the props.

Until Fafita starts getting involved 1st hitup & taking the line on, running direct lines instead of crabbing cross field killing the forward momentum, I would take Galloway.

Time for Fifita to man up!
 
Its not like Fifita doesnt have the ability to be a great prop.

He just needs to buckle down and do the hard offensive work.

it seems like he exerts all of his' energy in defense, than doesnt get involved in attack early in the sets?

That is like the main reason you have props isnt it?

Would love to see him pull his' finger out and do the basic hard stuff.
 
I'd be keeping Galloway. I'm a fan of Fifita's, I'd have him in the 17 each week, but Galloway dents the line and runs straight each time, he's one of the few players the Tigers have who help get a roll on up the middle of the field. Fifita can come up with some excellent play on occasions and is damaging when he gets one on one against players, but when he's running straight at 2 or 3 players, he gets stopped pretty quickly, and this is where he and Woods differ, Woods tends to roll through the line a bit like Galloway.

I think the Tigers got it right as they have managed to retain Woods, Groat, BMM and Begovich who are all big units and can dent the line.
 
@willow said:
I'd be keeping Galloway. I'm a fan of Fifita's, I'd have him in the 17 each week, but Galloway dents the line and runs straight each time, he's one of the few players the Tigers have who help get a roll on up the middle of the field. Fifita can come up with some excellent play on occasions and is damaging when he gets one on one against players, but when he's running straight at 2 or 3 players, he gets stopped pretty quickly, and this is where he and Woods differ, Woods tends to roll through the line a bit like Galloway.

I think the Tigers got it right as they have managed to retain Woods, Groat, BMM and Begovich who are all big units and can dent the line.

100 % they got it right. Give me Big Red in front of Fifita every day of the week.
 

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