Apisai Koroisau #263

Joffa was treated extremely badly by our club with all of the 3 stooges partially responsible imho (Sheens Lee and Pascoe).Thank god they have gone
Maybe Joffa was treated badly...

But I am kinda over it. He got 600k instead of the 400 we were giving him. He left us, Spooners for Parramatta, Ante-wooden spooners.

Can we move on from Joffa yet? The forum loves him, heck I thought he was good. But he was a complete part of our downward spiral. ... Less love please.
 
Maybe Joffa was treated badly...

But I am kinda over it. He got 600k instead of the 400 we were giving him. He left us, Spooners for Parramatta, Ante-wooden spooners.

Can we move on from Joffa yet? The forum loves him, heck I thought he was good. But he was a complete part of our downward spiral. ... Less love please.
He was on the downward spiral when we let him go and I haven’t seen anything at Parra to show it was the wrong decision.
We’ve got a couple more like him still at the club, imo, ( Twal/ Klemmer) so hopefully we can recruit well so they can eventually head off as well.
 
At the moment, Samoa and Tonga are playing tier 1 Internationals.
I believe if Tonga gets done by PNG in the bowl final, next year Samoa will play Aus and NZ and PNG will tour England.

At the moment, Samoa and Tonga are playing tier 1 Internationals.
I believe if Tonga gets done by PNG in the bowl final, next year Samoa will play Aus and NZ and PNG will tour England.
Ohh right, didn’t realise that was a set program.
Guess there is a chance if Tonga/NZ win the playoff then NZ or Australia will go to England next year?
 
Ok without a doubt that 15 minute period Api had was GOAT.

However, I feel his service out of dummy half has become a bit loopy rather than the crisp passing he had before. The try Farnworth scored was directly due to Apis bad read in the middle to let Saifiti through.

Still a top 5 hooker, but I hope he improves that first pass to his playmaker. He is too used to having to run first and have forwards play off him, but in the red zone, he needs to think bullet pass to first receiver first.
 
Anyone who thought this guy was done after being burnt out last year needs to go & watch yesterday’s game… still a top 3 hooker in the comp !!!
No one thinks he is burnt out.
Its just that he was used incorrectly and considering that he is our number 1 target in the defensive line, his minutes needed to be managed. When Api got frustrated last year, his defence went to mud as did his discipline. He also became more ineffective with ball in hand.
So far this year he has averaged 57 minutes to Da Silvas 23. Id even that out a little more to bring TDS up to speed defensively and to keep Api more lively for attacking opportunities.
Together, they are undefeated this year so its working well in these initial stages.
 
He would no doubt feel less weight on his shoulders with Luai there, I think Jarome is a god send for him. Hopefully that cuts out the boneheaded plays he’s good for every now and then. Our spine is killing it.
 
Could someone who played hooker or knows about being a dummy half please help me understand why Api has taken to using an 'NFL QB-like' drop back from dummy half?

My guess is it's only done right at the line to stop the defence from swatting at the ball or his arms, but does this throw off say, a Royce Hunt's bulldozing run over for a try?

A couple of times this year it has looked (to me anyway) like he drops back and there's no one to pass to?

Appreciate the help, and also interested to read peoples' opinion on it.
 
Could someone who played hooker or knows about being a dummy half please help me understand why Api has taken to using an 'NFL QB-like' drop back from dummy half?

My guess is it's only done right at the line to stop the defence from swatting at the ball or his arms, but does this throw off say, a Royce Hunt's bulldozing run over for a try?

A couple of times this year it has looked (to me anyway) like he drops back and there's no one to pass to?

Appreciate the help, and also interested to read peoples' opinion on it.
You see a lot of dummy half’s doing it at the line. I thought for the same reason you mentioned to create space.
 
Could someone who played hooker or knows about being a dummy half please help me understand why Api has taken to using an 'NFL QB-like' drop back from dummy half?

My guess is it's only done right at the line to stop the defence from swatting at the ball or his arms, but does this throw off say, a Royce Hunt's bulldozing run over for a try?

A couple of times this year it has looked (to me anyway) like he drops back and there's no one to pass to?

Appreciate the help, and also interested to read peoples' opinion on it.
I’ve noticed that too, but don’t have a clue either. It’s interesting? maybe a precaution to avoid arm grabbers?
It must be coming from coach? Others are also doing it. Those couple of steps from the ruck may also provide time to see options? I’ve seen Api clear the ruck like that and then do a 180 and run through the D line. Is it a tactic to confuse the D? Is a player less likely to commit to the tackle if the ball carrier is looking less threatening by running away from your try line?
lol, I’ll be watching it more closely next game.
 
Could someone who played hooker or knows about being a dummy half please help me understand why Api has taken to using an 'NFL QB-like' drop back from dummy half?

My guess is it's only done right at the line to stop the defence from swatting at the ball or his arms, but does this throw off say, a Royce Hunt's bulldozing run over for a try?

A couple of times this year it has looked (to me anyway) like he drops back and there's no one to pass to?

Appreciate the help, and also interested to read peoples' opinion on it.
I’ve noticed that too, but don’t have a clue either. It’s interesting? maybe a precaution to avoid arm grabbers?
It must be coming from coach? Others are also doing it. Those couple of steps from the ruck may also provide time to see options? I’ve seen Api clear the ruck like that and then do a 180 and run through the D line. Is it a tactic to confuse the D? Is a player less likely to commit to the tackle if the ball carrier is looking less threatening by running away from your try line?
lol, I’ll be watching it more closely next game.

Great questions. This is a not so subtle, but increasingly common tactic in the NRL, especially when attacking at close range.

When teams are attacking very close to the try line (e.g., from about 1-metre out), taking a step or two away from the line opens up options that aren't available using the old pass off the deck technique used for the last hundred years; with the only real variation being to burrow over. Teams are quite effective at countering the drive from dummy half by staying in place until after the ball leaves the hands.

The simple reason for the trend is to combat defensive pressure and avoid contact in the ruck area. However, the more crafty hookers (Api/Grant etc) have taken it a step further and by creating time and space (as you guys have already identified) and in doing so it allows for a greater number of options close to the line. It keeps the immediate defence focused on the ball carrier (dummy half), which provides opportunity to shape the play or for deception.

It is the first step in "shaping the defence". By stepping back the immediate defenders at the ruck remain engaged and planted. If they don't they are susceptible to the turn and burrow. It also forces the markers to make a decision and that takes time and creates opportunity. In addition, it improves passing angles for the crash play or long shift (look long pass short and vice versa)

Stepping back can allow for flatter and/or wider passes to players hitting holes (especially good for a Hunt style unders line off the first receiver back into the planted defenders). It also improves the chance of hitting the lead runner at pace and on target.

Api, in particular, uses it to create angles for his look long pass short crash play. TDS also uses it; but it is more for time and space for him. The deception in his use of it has yet to come; but he is learning from a master. I can see, with his speed off the mark, the turn and burrow being an effective weapon.

For the NFL fans out there, think of it like a quarterback taking a couple of steps back after the snap; it gives better vision, more time, and improves passing options.
 
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Great questions. This is a not so subtle, but increasingly common tactic in the NRL, especially when attacking at close range.

When teams are attacking very close to the try line (e.g., from about 1-metre out), taking a step or two away from the line opens up options that aren't available using the old pass off the deck technique used for the last hundred years; with the only real variation being to burrow over. Teams are quite effective at countering the drive from dummy half by staying in place until after the ball leaves the hands of the dummy half.

The simple reason for the trend is to combat defensive pressure and avoid contact in the ruck area. However, the more crafty hookers (Api/Grant etc) have taken it a step further and by creating time and space (as you guys have already identified) it allows for a greater number of options close to the line as it keeps the immediate defence focused on the ball carrier (dummy half) which provides opportunity to shape the play or for deception.

It is the first step in "shaping the defence"; by stepping back the immediate defenders at the ruck engaged remain engaged and planted. If they don't they are susceptible to the turn and burrow. It also forces the markers to make a decision and that takes time and creates opportunity. In addition, it improves passing angles for the crash play or long shift (look long pass short and vice versa)

Stepping back can allow for flatter and/or wider passes to players hitting holes (especially good for a Hunt style unders line off the first receiver back into the planted defenders). It also improves the chance of hitting the lead runner at pace and on target. and finally

Api, in particular, uses it to create angles and his look long pass short crash play. TDS also uses it; but it is more for time and space for him. The deception in his use of it has yet to come; but he is learning from a master. I can see, with his speed off the mark, the turn and burrow being an effective weapon.

For the NFL fans out there, think of it like a quarterback taking a couple of steps back after the snap; it gives better vision, more time, and improves passing options.
I've noticed Galvin doing it 40 or 50 mts out.
 
I've noticed Galvin doing it 40 or 50 mts out.
I'll have to watch harder, can't say I have picked it up. It makes no sense that far out as you want to be heading towards the ad line with ball in hand. A dummy half with the ball in two hands has the immediate attention of both markers and the A defender as he has so many options. The only real options stepping back that far out is for a short ball for a mid field crash or to get a long pass away. As soon as you back away form the Ad line mid field the markers are no longer that interested in you as a threat they will already be looking to put inside pressure ont he play or nail the short ball runner. It may be something in his passing game that needs to be worked on. Thanks for the tip - I'll be watching it closely this weekend.
 

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