Are they playing for the coach?

[Goanna57]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

I don’t think any supporter including myself is happy with the performance of our team. It’s simply not good enough. I don’t think madge is faultless in this , but I think it’s a cop out to the players to say it’s all the coaches fault or that they aren’t playing for him.

He’s the only constant.

When I see madge dropping the ball cold, missin simple one on one tackles and constantly giving the opposition 7 tackle sets then I’d be happy to blame him. Id say the most influential constant has been Brooks.

Madge re-signed Brooks.

Ivan Cleary choose brooks over Moses. Madge re-signed him. 150 games in and the guy hasn’t got it. That’s on him not on the coach.

“Let me ask you, Luke Brooks played in is his 150th game today and this is his eighth season in the NRL,” Hooper asked Corey Parker.

“A couple of those last play kicks that are gifting the Chooks seven tackle sets. They are not the actions of a halfback that is steering his side around.”

Correct, and under Cleary he was Dally M halfback of the year. He’s regressed under Madge to be no longer NRL standard.

avocado I’m with you even the players that Maguire has brought to the club are regressing under him

Brooks has never played in a finals game under any coach and when we have needed him to step up in critical games it just doesn't happen. If Maguire goes down Brooks goes with him.

I’m with you on that

 

[twentyforty]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

I don’t think any supporter including myself is happy with the performance of our team. It’s simply not good enough. I don’t think madge is faultless in this , but I think it’s a cop out to the players to say it’s all the coaches fault or that they aren’t playing for him.

He’s the only constant.

When I see madge dropping the ball cold, missin simple one on one tackles and constantly giving the opposition 7 tackle sets then I’d be happy to blame him. Id say the most influential constant has been Brooks.

Madge re-signed Brooks.

Ivan Cleary choose brooks over Moses. Madge re-signed him. 150 games in and the guy hasn’t got it. That’s on him not on the coach.

“Let me ask you, Luke Brooks played in is his 150th game today and this is his eighth season in the NRL,” Hooper asked Corey Parker.

“A couple of those last play kicks that are gifting the Chooks seven tackle sets. They are not the actions of a halfback that is steering his side around.”

Correct, and under Cleary he was Dally M halfback of the year. He’s regressed under Madge to be no longer NRL standard.

avocado I’m with you even the players that Maguire has brought to the club are regressing under him

Brooks has never played in a finals game under any coach and when we have needed him to step up in critical games it just doesn't happen. If Maguire goes down Brooks goes with him.

I’m with you on that

What if the problem is much bigger? Is it possible to promote teamwork by asking the question “who is responsible?” Or is it more productive to focus on the “what or how?”

 

[avocadoontoast]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

I don’t think any supporter including myself is happy with the performance of our team. It’s simply not good enough. I don’t think madge is faultless in this , but I think it’s a cop out to the players to say it’s all the coaches fault or that they aren’t playing for him.

He’s the only constant.

When I see madge dropping the ball cold, missin simple one on one tackles and constantly giving the opposition 7 tackle sets then I’d be happy to blame him. Id say the most influential constant has been Brooks.

Madge re-signed Brooks.

Ivan Cleary choose brooks over Moses. Madge re-signed him. 150 games in and the guy hasn’t got it. That’s on him not on the coach.

“Let me ask you, Luke Brooks played in is his 150th game today and this is his eighth season in the NRL,” Hooper asked Corey Parker.

“A couple of those last play kicks that are gifting the Chooks seven tackle sets. They are not the actions of a halfback that is steering his side around.”

Correct, and under Cleary he was Dally M halfback of the year. He’s regressed under Madge to be no longer NRL standard.

So if the players play well the coach is the reason. And if the players play bad it’s the coaches fault. So there is no onus on the player to perform at all. Might try that in my job, blame my boss when I don’t perform and take no ownership for my own performance. Wonder how that will go?

If you performed poorly along with all of your colleagues and then their replacements also performed poorly I think your manager might have some explaining to do

 

[The_Patriot]

Playing for the coach is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Almost as stupid as this thread. Once you put a jersey on and your doing this as a full time job (earning huge amount of money) you go out there with your pride and integrity and give it 110%. You put your body on the line and keep going even when things don’t go your way or you have no energy left. This isn’t on the coach it’s on each and every individual to deliver.


And here are the ruffled feathers. Such a stupid thread, yet 2 players over the last 2 years have walked out on him. How terrible that questions might be asked. As usual, playing the man, not the ball. Boring.

Latrell Mitchell walked out on Robinson. Cooper Cronk walked out on Bellamy. A whole 2 players walked out on him. Matterson was in the state of origin squad with us , hows he going now. Alioa is the other one. Did you want us to pay $650k for him?? Because If you did , you’d be the only one in the world who would.

FACTS!

 

[The_Patriot]

There really are some worrying signs about the playing group and the coach.

We are not responding well to mistakes, its been a problem at this club for years but the coach set out to improve this yet when we make mistakes or a call goes against us we turn to water. We are showing no signs of strength or growth in this area.

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.

Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

I could go on but i think most people are seeing this now.

Something is seriously wrong behind closed doors.

The coach is always in the firing line when a club gets to this level of dysfunction.

Im a big Maguire fan, i think his general manger and recruiting and retention has been outstanding. But that means absolutely nothing if they players arent responding to the day to day and game day coaching!

 

[Telltails]

No one is happy when you are losing - they were all extremely upbeat and animated at the trial against Manly. A false reality unfortunately

 

[Russell]

I just don't think the coach is the issue. Our team is not strong. I know the pre-season allows you to imagine how good it could be, but the reality is that we don't have good players.

The really good thing about the recruitment and what must be madge's approach is that we're signing promising players on reasonable contracts and building a team. That is our approach, and it makes sense because we can't get the superstar players, and even if we could I don't know that we have a good enough squad to make that be worthwhile anyway.

So, everyone's having a go, but what else can be done? The players he has bought have mostly shown promise, and those who aren't that good aren't on big or long term contracts. Again, that seems smart.

Today wasn't coaching, we have a weak squad going up against one of the heavyweights in the comp who are in brilliant form. Obviously they could have played better and they haven't started well but you all have to stop being so reactionary.

If I could get Bennett or Bellamy or Robinson I'd sack Madge, otherwise there's a bunch of good enough coaches out there who wouldn't make a bit of difference to this team.

Well Mate, I usually do not agree with most of your posts..... (I'm going to be dumped on from a great height - that's ok if it makes you posters feel better)

However apart from your last paragraph (don't think those three coaches you mentioned would make much difference, when you have some of the players they have had, it is easy to look like a superstar, don't think they would look like superstars with rosters and cap problems), you are pretty spot on.

Most of the posters on here (after round two after playing 2 of the best teams in the comp) have, or want to hit the panic button.

Most for various reasons, permanent negative Nellies, agenda driven, Madge haters, impatience, etc. etc. I think one of the biggest problems is starting a thread like this to begin with, ridiculous! If that is not on your wave length GNR - Tough.

If the Club follows most of the thoughts on this thread - it is no wonder they don't make the eight.

I have followed this club for 70 years - win lose or draw. No one ever said over all those years some of the comments that arise on here. You accept mediocrity, they gave up, the coach has lost the players ...yadda, yadda, yadda.

The majority always do the best they can, (But they are not always good enough) under the circumstances as far as I am concerned (with the exception of that little slimy scumbag that is) - If you can't see that it will take time....

 

[rustycage]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-sigGreat ned by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

Great leader on the field - makes a big difference.

But didn’t we sign Tamou for that ?

From memory, and I could be wrong, but Tamou didn't immediately steer the ship around upon his taking over of the Captaincy at the Panthers. They were still losing for a while after that, but gradually, things turned, and the momentum grew. (Not excusing our teams performance yesterday though. That was seriously disappointing)

 

[Speed2burn]

There really are some worrying signs about the playing group and the coach.

We are not responding well to mistakes, its been a problem at this club for years but the coach set out to improve this yet when we make mistakes or a call goes against us we turn to water. We are showing no signs of strength or growth in this area.

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.

Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

I could go on but i think most people are seeing this now.

Something is seriously wrong behind closed doors.

The coach is always in the firing line when a club gets to this level of dysfunction.

Im a big Maguire fan, i think his general manger and recruiting and retention has been outstanding. But that means absolutely nothing if they players arent responding to the day to day and game day coaching!

I said the same thing as I walked away, nobody really looks happy out there. Like they are there because they are required to and that’s it. Daine Laurie the exception

They are either all introverts or they just simply don’t care, is the body language I gathered.

The talk amongst the players between the roosters v us was alarming for a 1st grade football team

 

[rustycage]

There really are some worrying signs about the playing group and the coach.

We are not responding well to mistakes, its been a problem at this club for years but the coach set out to improve this yet when we make mistakes or a call goes against us we turn to water. We are showing no signs of strength or growth in this area.

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.

Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

I could go on but i think most people are seeing this now.

Something is seriously wrong behind closed doors.

The coach is always in the firing line when a club gets to this level of dysfunction.

Im a big Maguire fan, i think his general manger and recruiting and retention has been outstanding. But that means absolutely nothing if they players arent responding to the day to day and game day coaching!

Maybe we should pick up the phone to Seibold. He'll at least give the players something to be unhappy about.

 

[jirskyr]

The pack got owned and the backs were completely out classed. It may be that the coach has no idea - but at least he has coached a premiership winning side - or the players are just not at the same level of the opposition. To be fair man for man there is not many I would keep from our team if we we could swap them with the Roosters squad today.

Quite a sad indictment when you consider just how many regular first graders the Roosters were missing up front. That was practically their reserve grade pack that outplayed us today - what hope have we got?

It only goes to tell you how good a reserve grade side the Roosters have.

Anyway I made this point elsewhere - Roosters only need to have a pack good enough to match the opposition. They don't need to trample them, they aren't a team that powers through the middle. Tigers matched Roosters in the forwards for long periods, but when we got down the business end we murdered our sets. When Roosters got down our end they cruised in for tries. Your forwards can't match the opposition for 80 minutes if you spend the entire match coming out of your own end and squandering possession when you get some ascendancy. Your forwards will only tire out when they go hard in the tackle, only to watch the backs leak like a sieve.

 

[jirskyr]

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.
Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

Looked very happy against Manly.

 

[mike]

There really are some worrying signs about the playing group and the coach.

We are not responding well to mistakes, its been a problem at this club for years but the coach set out to improve this yet when we make mistakes or a call goes against us we turn to water. We are showing no signs of strength or growth in this area.

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.

Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

I could go on but i think most people are seeing this now.

Something is seriously wrong behind closed doors.

The coach is always in the firing line when a club gets to this level of dysfunction.

Im a big Maguire fan, i think his general manger and recruiting and retention has been outstanding. But that means absolutely nothing if they players arent responding to the day to day and game day coaching!


Maybe we should pick up the phone to Seibold. He'll at least give the players something to be unhappy about.

Too funny ?????

 

[The_Patriot]

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.
Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

Looked very happy against Manly.

So you see something different do you?

What do you see that suggests we have a strong team spirit, they are playing for each other or are up for the challenge when things go against them.

 

[jirskyr]

Playing for the coach is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Almost as stupid as this thread. Once you put a jersey on and your doing this as a full time job (earning huge amount of money) you go out there with your pride and integrity and give it 110%. You put your body on the line and keep going even when things don’t go your way or you have no energy left. This isn’t on the coach it’s on each and every individual to deliver.


And here are the ruffled feathers. Such a stupid thread, yet 2 players over the last 2 years have walked out on him. How terrible that questions might be asked. As usual, playing the man, not the ball. Boring.

Latrell Mitchell walked out on Robinson. Cooper Cronk walked out on Bellamy. A whole 2 players walked out on him. Matterson was in the state of origin squad with us , hows he going now. Alioa is the other one. Did you want us to pay $650k for him?? Because If you did , you’d be the only one in the world who would.


Jesus, that’s some serious straw clutching. Mitchell didn’t walk out on Robinson, Robinson punted him. As for Cronk, yeah, he really left cos he didn’t rate CRAIG BELLAMY lol. You say this is a stupid thread, yet in nearly 7 pages, most agree with me lol lol lol

Straw clutching lol. Latrell had a $650k contract from the roosters. Aloia had a $450k contract from the tigers. Both left for more money elsewhere. Why did Tino leave Melbourne to join the Titans?? There would be a hundred examples of players leaving for all sorts of reasons in the nrl in the last 2 years.

I'm with TP here. 1 or 2 players leaving isn't automatically a reflection on the coach.

Almost always about money above anything else.

 

[Madge]

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.
Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

Looked very happy against Manly.


So you see something different do you?

What do you see that suggests we have a strong team spirit, they are playing for each other or are up for the challenge when things go against them.

Losing isn't going to have a positive effect on a team I guess?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.
Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

Looked very happy against Manly.


So you see something different do you?

What do you see that suggests we have a strong team spirit, they are playing for each other or are up for the challenge when things go against them.

Losing isn't going to have a positive effect on a team I guess?

Brooks and Liddle seemed pretty happy to have a laugh with Teddy after the game. Didn't seem to affect them too badly.

 

[Speed2burn]

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.
Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

Looked very happy against Manly.


So you see something different do you?

What do you see that suggests we have a strong team spirit, they are playing for each other or are up for the challenge when things go against them.

Losing isn't going to have a positive effect on a team I guess?

Even during the warm ups they looked sluggish

 

[jirskyr]

Secondly we look an unhappy team. Im seeing no one other maybe Daine Laurie smile and show signs they are enjoying their footy. They really look a miserable lot.Miserable.
Lacking passion, heart, look disjointed. They dont look like they enjoy each others company, their is no team spirit and playing for each, high fiving each other, encouraging each other.

Looked very happy against Manly.


So you see something different do you?

What do you see that suggests we have a strong team spirit, they are playing for each other or are up for the challenge when things go against them.

Well do you see a sad team because they got flogged, or did they get flogged because they were already a sad team?

It is my opinion that the 6-again rule is putting a wider gap between the good and bad sides. I think the comp has fallen into 3 very distinct camps of the (a) legitimate contenders, (b) the teams that can beat low sides but not match the Top 6, (c) the rest.

Considering we murdered Manly in the trials, then got ourselves murdered by 2 of the Top 4 sides going around. The new rules are showing up the sides who can't put together a complete 80 minutes, because the tide of possession just stacks up and it becomes run-away.

Des Hasler was totally wrong to suggest the trial form didn't matter, when he brought the rest of his best players back into the side. Because his best players aren't playing well and he has very little depth. Manly will not compete with the majority of teams in 2021, not unless there's some amazing turn-around in their individual performances. Even their better players like Jake Turbo and DCE just aren't cutting it.

Tigers weren't even that bad the first 40, still went in 18-6 down. Commentators saying Tigers were still in the fight at that time. Fine, same with Raiders. But 40 mins of fight isn't enough any more, you need 80 minutes of fight.

I think Tigers have always been a side that falls in and out of matches. Even under Sheens we'd score 28 and let in 32 as the game ebbed and flowed. Cleary got us to be a gritty hard-fought side for about 12 weeks before it came undone. I think teams like Tigers, that fall in and out of matches, are getting killed with the 2021 rules that encourage ball-in-play, because they don't have the capacity to turn the tide through their own actions, they are always waiting for some ref's involvement, lucky bounce, opponent error.

So I don't think you are going to see happiness and unity in a team that can't compete with the legitimate heavyweights for 80 mins. We never will compete if our backs can't defend, our halves can't develop pressure and we spend our time working it out of our own area.

 

[Telltails]

The trouble with losing is you get use to it and It doesn't hurt so bad. I know I have - there was a time I couldnt sleep after a loss - not anymore. This is what concerns me most about Brooks- seems to have accepted his lot which is no good for us or him.