Are we getting too enthusiastic?

@rustycage said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185841) said:
A dozen years or more of losing games that we should have won

Tigers have a significant win record when favourites and I will continue to debunk this myth.

Favourites are installed for a reason, otherwise the bookies wouldn't be making any money.
 
@jirskyr said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185938) said:
@rustycage said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185841) said:
A dozen years or more of losing games that we should have won

Tigers have a significant win record when favourites and I will continue to debunk this myth.

Favourites are installed for a reason, otherwise the bookies wouldn't be making any money.

I do suspect that when we start as favourites, we win less of those games than other teams who start as favourites.

If the figures don't back that up, I further suspect that this impression is heavily based off the various "must-win" games in the final weeks of the season over the last ten years where we needed to win to make the finals and we lost. Couple that with he times we have lost to teams at the bottom of the ladder, which has been far too often over the years.

Although we weren't always favourites to win in those games I mentioned above, I feel it adds to the perception of WT losing games they are expected/hoping to win.
 
@rustycage said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185841) said:
@Geo said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185651) said:
@bythebeardofzeus said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185436) said:
The way I see it, what we can take from the Brisbane game is: before the game we were expected to win it

happy tiger selected the Broncos..

A dozen years or more of losing games that we should have won suggests it was always gonna be a 50/50 chance. I tipped them too.

Yes but happy was enthusiastic in tipping them..
 
@Hangonaminute said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185803) said:
I don't know if I've completely lost my marbles but I'm starting to think we can make the 8 and actually be a threat.

I'm sure we are all daring to think that way....but winning against the hapless Broncos last weekend is going to be slightly different this weekend - against the Eels.
I hope the team haven't become too complacent about that win, and we generally can't sting two wins together:crying_cat_face:
 
@Geo said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1186030) said:
@rustycage said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185841) said:
@Geo said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185651) said:
@bythebeardofzeus said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185436) said:
The way I see it, what we can take from the Brisbane game is: before the game we were expected to win it

happy tiger selected the Broncos..

A dozen years or more of losing games that we should have won suggests it was always gonna be a 50/50 chance. I tipped them too.

Yes but happy was enthusiastic in tipping them..

u get banned from forum for 1 day if u tip against the tigers and then lose your tip
 
@JD-Tiger said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1186015) said:
I do suspect that when we start as favourites, we win less of those games than other teams who start as favourites.

Not really. In the 10-year period to 2018 we were about 10th of all teams for winning when favourites.

You also have to give it perspective about what a "favourite" is; I didn't measure the grade of favouritism, i.e. borderline favourites or massive favourites. But it stands to reason that clubs with good periods, like Storm and Roosters, will be best at winning "when favourites" because in that period they won a lot and were accordingly favourites a lot. Tigers were favourites less often, but still won ~2/3 of the games where they were favourites (vs ~48% win rate for all games).

What you are recalling is, yes, the handful of games where we had to win to make the finals, or lost to the bottom side. But bearing in mind the bottom teams normally win 5-6 matches per year, plenty of teams do lose to the last-placed side year-on-year.

Probably the only thing you could say about Tigers wrt "must win" is that we are often on the cusp of Top 8 without making it, so fans will clearly remember certain matches which COULD have been won and those matches may have made a difference to the finals charge. Again, that is one-sided thinking because all losses contribute to not playing finals footy, not just the close ones, and in fact a counter-argument can be made that more close losses is a better season than the equivalent number of beltings.

IIRC there have been 3 occasions where winning the last-round match would have guaranteed Tigers played finals, losing all 3 - Knights 2007, Raiders 2016, Sharks 2019.
 
@Spud_Murphy said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185595) said:
@momo_amp_medo said in [Are we getting too enthusiastic?](/post/1185454) said:
It’s a test for us against what’s expected to be full strength team on their home ground ..... which by the way ..... they rarely lose on.
And they’ll be pumped after a loss to Manly .... so it’s a loss they had to have. The refs probably going to give them all 50:50 calls and the restarts as we are the black hat guys. They have us on paper all over the field.
So we are definitely the underdogs and it’s a tough ask ...... but you just never know.
Again it will be up to our forwards to lay the foundations and if that happens we are in with a slim chance.
Will be interesting ...... may be the guide for rest of our season ..... as we are locked in a battle for the 6-8 spot on the ladder with a increasing bunch of teams.
**I just hope we don’t get dusted .**..... a close result (hopefully a win) will do me.

Yeah that would be a disaster and it would completely undo all the hard work of our 48-0 against the Broncos.

Have some faith its nit over till the fat lady sings
 
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