Are you prepared to admit this JV is a failure?

[Newtown]

The stirrers should be realistic, stop stirring and realise that there is never going to be a Balmain Tigers or Western Suburbs First Grade side AGAIN.

 

[happy_tiger]

Sorry Happy but who cares. You are looking at it as if this will never change. It is changing and there is Wests Tigers and that's it. As Geo has stated Wests Ashfield supports the Wests Tigers. Every Board no matter of what organisation has board members that have their own agendas. That does not stop the Board functioning as a unit in the best interest of the organisation. I see it everyday. Don't misunderstand in that I think everything is perfect, it's not. But to change direction again now would be very destructive indeed. The Board is evolving, dealing with crises as they occur. Changing tact and personell throughout the organisation. The review of the operations is a very good punctuation mark, this is where we are now. We need to be here, now how do we get there.

I'm not looking at it as if things can't change

But unless we change the constitution nothing will really change no matter spin or angle you put on it Mike

And how can we change the constitution if Balmain or Wests don't want to change the constitution

Legally would be a very costly affair , so the only other option is for one member to disappear

So are the NRL coming into this with an agenda as I have said all along ??

 

[hobbo]

I couldn't give a flying 'F' if we were re-branded the
Wests willy wagtails … I just want to support a team that doesn't air it's dirty laundry out in public and a team that rips in and has a friggin go week in week out .
Am I asking too much ????????

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[mike]

Sorry Happy but who cares. You are looking at it as if this will never change. It is changing and there is Wests Tigers and that's it. As Geo has stated Wests Ashfield supports the Wests Tigers. Every Board no matter of what organisation has board members that have their own agendas. That does not stop the Board functioning as a unit in the best interest of the organisation. I see it everyday. Don't misunderstand in that I think everything is perfect, it's not. But to change direction again now would be very destructive indeed. The Board is evolving, dealing with crises as they occur. Changing tact and personell throughout the organisation. The review of the operations is a very good punctuation mark, this is where we are now. We need to be here, now how do we get there.

I'm not looking at it as if things can't change

But unless we change the constitution nothing will really change no matter spin or angle you put on it Mike

And how can we change the constitution if Balmain or Wests don't want to change the constitution

Legally would be a very costly affair , so the only other option is for one member to disappear

So are the NRL coming into this with an agenda as I have said all along ??

No need to change the constitution Happy. No need for one member to disappear unless it becomes finically unviable for one of the partners to continue. We are not there just yet. The next two years will be interesting and telling in this regard. Wait and let it play out, trying to force change like this is pointless, it's not going to happen and you will disenfranchise half of the Board. Not a good idea.

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[mike]

Are the NRL coming into this with an Agenda? I would be astonished if any party on the Board didn't have an agenda. Doesn't make it dysfunctional.

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[happy_tiger]

I couldn't give a flying 'F' if we were re-branded the
Wests willy wagtails … I just want to support a team that doesn't air it's dirty laundry out in public and a team that rips in and has a friggin go week in week out .
Am I asking too much ????????

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Can you get the spelling right please

Its Wests Willy's Wagtails

At the moment we couldn't rip and tear wet newspaper without getting a season ending injury

 

[Geo]

Well Wests Ashfield has gone on record to say that if Balmain are unable to pay their debt ..that there is no way will they consider returning the Magpies …It is WESTS TIGERS all the way...i think that shows there only interest is Wests Tigers....in the NRL..

That's while the independent board is there Geo , what happens when the NRL hands 50% back to Balmain when they are finished ??

The only other thing the NRL could do is destroy one of the two JV partners through the independent board in the available time frame

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-ashfield-ceo-simon-cook-says-tigers-name-wont-be-replaced-by-magpies-20140319-hvkfo.html

This article may shed some more light on it for you Happy ….says nothing about the handing back of control....also squashes the relocation idea....You stated Wests only have Wests interest at Heart and Balmian only has Balmain's...I don't think that is the case as far as Wests are concerned...they Have Wests Tigers interest at heart...with or without an independent Board..

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm not questioning what will happen while the Independent board is in place

I'm questioning what will happen the minute Wests and Balmain are opposing each other again

What does Dr Phil say "Something about predicting future behaviours based on past behaviours "

Well if we do that , within 3 years whatever good the Independent board brings in , the next board will tear down

Why , because Balmain and Wests are more concerned protecting what they have on the outside of the WT's

 

[Geo]

Arghh… I spell it out then as far as Wests are concerned....

There will be no attempt by his organisation to change the Wests Tigers name to the Magpies,

and this

He also scotched speculation the NRL team would relocate to Perth.

and this

"The name and logo of the entity has formed part of our licensing agreement with the NRL," Cook said on Wednesday. "Therefore, any changes in shareholding will have no impact on the name, colour or logos of the organisation.

and finally this

"The NRL licence is between the NRL and the Wests Tigers and not the shareholders. The shareholders are not connected to the licence. From Wests Ashfield perspective it will have no impact on the Wests Tigers."

Do you still think Wests do not have Wests Tigers interest at heart?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Arghh… I spell it out then as far as Wests are concerned....

There will be no attempt by his organisation to change the Wests Tigers name to the Magpies,

and this

He also scotched speculation the NRL team would relocate to Perth.

and this

"The name and logo of the entity has formed part of our licensing agreement with the NRL," Cook said on Wednesday. "Therefore, any changes in shareholding will have no impact on the name, colour or logos of the organisation.

and finally this

"The NRL licence is between the NRL and the Wests Tigers and not the shareholders. The shareholders are not connected to the licence. From Wests Ashfield perspective it will have no impact on the Wests Tigers."

Do you still think Wests do not have Wests Tigers interest at heart?

The only thing thats preventing people believing this is paranoia.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think Wests solely have the best interests of the WT's at heart

I think Balmain solely have the best interests of the WT's at heart

When the get in the boardroom ,things become clouded imo because either party trusts the others motives and that's when the issues start

Potters signing is the perfect example

If what I heard is remotely true proves a point

One faction wanted Potter ,one faction wanted Walters and another faction wanted Parish

I reckon the board probably disagrees on the colour of the sky at times because of all the factions

These factions will recontinue the minute the board is handed back to the WT's imo

I'm sure Wests aren't concerned at the moment , they are in the position of power at the moment

Geo we could argue about this until we die

But I reckon that things will go back to the bad old days once the board is handed back to solely Wests and Balmain unless they change the JV constitution or one side of the venture dies

Time will tell ultimately

 

[Geo]

Well if you want to base your opinion on hearsay that's your prerogative… me I'd rather facts

 

[Guest]

Way too much hypothesising going here in this thread. We suck. The end.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well if you want to base your opinion on hearsay that's your prerogative… me I'd rather facts

Well again I will look at what we have seen happened in the present and past

Every time the board wants an agenda out there at the moment what happens It got out there via the media via a leak We know that as fact

What happened every second day when the process of the new WT's coach was being followed

Three names kept coming out via the media

Parish ,Walters and Potter

True ??

Probably not just coincidence I'd say

Based on speculation you say possibly

But it seems to fit like a glove based on past and present behaviour ,don't you think ??

 

[happy_tiger]

Way too much hypothesising going here in this thread. We suck. The end.

Yes we do Willow

But if we can't change it we will continue being a bottom four side and relocation / execution bait in the future

Every problem has a solution

Hopefully we can stumble across something that makes sense and by some miracle the board can implement it

Never gave up on the field and will never give up off field either

 

[tig_prmz]

Titans have made finals once in 7 years.
Parra have how many spoons in the last 5 years?
Don't think warriors or cowboys have won a gf despite being one town teams.
Cronulla- no need to get started on them.

Compared to many other teams, we've done ok.

Where we truly have failed is a lack of identity. Our supporter bases are all over the place and technically that could mean we have a large supporter base but instead it has turned out that we are split into fractions.

Sheens, benji and farah gave us an identity of a flamboyant team but it wasn't getting the results.

Manly has a really crap supporter base where they don't travel and are generally A grade pricks, their board is pretty disoriented as well. Apparently, not all players are on the same page but yet they are a success because somehow they keep winning.

We just need to build an identity somehow. Not the negative ones like one man team or split supporter bases or dysfunctional board ones. This could come through a specific style of play, squad or money.

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[Tiger_Watto]

Without seeing the clubs financials year to year, it is very hard to gauge if the operation is a successful one, or a failure…

From all the stories I have heard, they all tend to point towards a fractured relationship between the owners and if each owner is simply focused on there themselves, the idea of the new identity being successful is a long bow to play...

Success on the football field should not be a gauge to the success of the company. If the company is operating at a profit, and showing a ROI to its owners, it is a suitable and viable operation.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

 

[happy_tiger]

Without seeing the clubs financials year to year, it is very hard to gauge if the operation is a successful one, or a failure…

From all the stories I have heard, they all tend to point towards a fractured relationship between the owners and if each owner is simply focused on there themselves, the idea of the new identity being successful is a long bow to play...

Success on the football field should not be a gauge to the success of the company. If the company is operating at a profit, and showing a ROI to its owners, it is a suitable and viable operation.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Well that's not happening is it :unamused: :laughing:

 

[Telltails]

No one is forced to support this club. There are plenty of other options.

Posts like this annoy the s*** out of me. Who said anyone is forced to support the club? Everyone who spends time posting on a forum like this one is obviously a fan of the club, they are just rightfully disgruntled that we have been a failure for 13 out of 15 years.

The word failure annoys the s#*% out of me and is not even close to feeling "disgruntled". Failure for 13 out 15 years - how so? Grandfinal winners after 5 years with a team of mostly local juniors. 1 point from another grandfinal appearance in 2010 and major semi final in 2011\. Cleanout in 2012 and rebuilding in 2013/2014 again with mostly local juniors on a limited budget. That's not good enough for you - I stand by my comment.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

The word failure annoys the s#*% out of me and is not even close to feeling "disgruntled". Failure for 13 out 15 years - how so? Grandfinal winners after 5 years with a team of mostly local juniors. 1 point from another grandfinal appearance in 2010 and major semi final in 2011\. Cleanout in 2012 and rebuilding in 2013/2014 again with mostly local juniors on a limited budget. That's not good enough for you - I stand by my comment.

Sorry, but not finishing in the top 8 of a 16 team competition for 12 out of the past 15 years is a failure whichever way you want to look at it. Even in 2010 and 2011, we were only great for a 2-3 month period of the season.

Why should anyone be happy or satisfied with one good season every decade? Why can't we consistently be competitive, or at least strive to be? Is it unrealistic to expect to make the top 8 of a 16 comp more than three times in our existence? Surely not? Surely this isn't too much to ask?

2005 seems to make it acceptable to accept failure. I'm honestly I'm convinced a portion of our fan base do not care if we win or lose.

At the end of the day, this club has failed to finish in the top half of a 16 team comp for 12 out of 15 years. It's not about winning another premiership at all, it's about being consistently competitive.

So no, not being consistently competitive over a 15 year period isn't good enough for me and I'll always stand by that.