ron_burgandy
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i dont think its aproblem at all.
At what point does goalkicking become a crisis?
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Imo someone else should be kicking next week. Given his form before friday night and the terrible miss on the Tuqiri conversion, i would've hoped that had their been more conversions ensuing that someone else would've taken over. As far as i'm concerned friday night was the final straw. Unless significant improvement occurs in practice he should be off limits.
ron_burgandy
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@tigeress said:
goal kicking isnt an issue at this point, it hasnt cost us a game this year
innsaneink
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Wit h the strike rate hes kicking at it wont be long before it actually does cost us 2 comp points
ron_burgandy
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@innsaneink said:
im not impressed with your comment
@ron burgandy said:
Difference between 4th and 7th at this early stage of the year, if we keep kicking at that percentage it will not only cost us a few games but our F&A as well will suffer and in a close comp you cant afford to throw points away. I agree with others that kicking certainly didnt cost us the game on Friday night but it did cost us any chance of getting back into the game thats for sure!
ragedmachine
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I have a feeling Sheens doesn't want to overrule want Benji wants.
I can see the thinking in Benji - he wants to be the next Hasem, and he wants to translate his creativity on the field to between the posts - but realistically, he is an instinct player, not one to be coached. It is bleeding obvious that ever since JT has started coaching Benj, he has been kicking terrible.
I'm much the same, I play fullback and have a style very similar to Benji, I practiced long and hard to goal kick but in the end, I realised my brain is too creative for goal-kicking, my element of trying and risking different techniques 'skips' into action spontaneously and stuffs up my rhythm during the kick - needless to say I handed the duty to someone else
I can see the thinking in Benji - he wants to be the next Hasem, and he wants to translate his creativity on the field to between the posts - but realistically, he is an instinct player, not one to be coached. It is bleeding obvious that ever since JT has started coaching Benj, he has been kicking terrible.
I'm much the same, I play fullback and have a style very similar to Benji, I practiced long and hard to goal kick but in the end, I realised my brain is too creative for goal-kicking, my element of trying and risking different techniques 'skips' into action spontaneously and stuffs up my rhythm during the kick - needless to say I handed the duty to someone else
Magpie_Magic
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@innsaneink said:
Thats right.
I feel that we shouldv"e signed a recognized kicker 1st grader and its our only real weakness.
Now it seems that Sheens dosen"t want to try to use a recognised kicker outside our top 10-12 players because he feels if he kicks well it will complicate selection issues forcing him to include a player in th 13 he didn"t originally want.
And in the meantime he prays Benji will improve.
AngryEmu
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@ragedmachine said:
I'm glad to have signed Benji to a long term deal but if both he and Sheens can't see that his goal kicking is a problem then we could be in for a long few years. We missed the finals last year due in part to poor goal kicking and would hate to see the great start to this season wasted because of a few wayward kicks.
Agree with the F/A arguments as well. This comp seems very even this year (maybe more that last year) and F/A will determine the difference between 5th and 10th IMO.
Cam Smith missed a simple one last night and it cost his team. I've never seen him look so ashamed.
Benji hasn't cost us a game yet, but the way he is kicking he definatley will.
Alot of goal kickers have periods where they just cant get it right and then get back to basics and find form again. I'd imagine this is what Sheens is banking on, but in the meantime Taylor has only had an adverse effect on Benji's goal kicking.
Do you really need a kicking coach? It sounds like over-complicating things to me. I dont mind the idea of a few sessions with past players or the Graham Arnolds of the world throughout the year, but just get back to basics imo.
If I was Sheens I'd get rid of Taylor and tell benji to go back to his own original style. He used to hit them very differently, long and high. Now they are low stabbing kicks. Looks like he is trying to hard to do what Taylor is coaching him. Give him another week or two but he's gotta be on his last legs.
Surely Robert Lui can kick goals. I know it was Mullaney in the NYC but maybe Lui is an option on his return.
Benji hasn't cost us a game yet, but the way he is kicking he definatley will.
Alot of goal kickers have periods where they just cant get it right and then get back to basics and find form again. I'd imagine this is what Sheens is banking on, but in the meantime Taylor has only had an adverse effect on Benji's goal kicking.
Do you really need a kicking coach? It sounds like over-complicating things to me. I dont mind the idea of a few sessions with past players or the Graham Arnolds of the world throughout the year, but just get back to basics imo.
If I was Sheens I'd get rid of Taylor and tell benji to go back to his own original style. He used to hit them very differently, long and high. Now they are low stabbing kicks. Looks like he is trying to hard to do what Taylor is coaching him. Give him another week or two but he's gotta be on his last legs.
Surely Robert Lui can kick goals. I know it was Mullaney in the NYC but maybe Lui is an option on his return.
G_Strombolli
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Should we rely on goals to win games? In the same way as we shouldn't rely on penalties or the bounce of the ball to win, probably not - but these things do determine outcomes. The difference is goal conversion is, to a large degree, in the team's control. To say it doesn't matter because it hasn't yet lost us a game is flawed logic.
We should be converting at a higher rate. If Benji can't improve his success rate, he shouldn't be doing it.
We should be converting at a higher rate. If Benji can't improve his success rate, he shouldn't be doing it.
hybrid_tiger
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Will it take a loss due to goalkicking for something to be done about this?
Benji has gotten worse from last year, isn't even striking them cleanly anymore. Clearly the job should be given to someone else.
Benji has gotten worse from last year, isn't even striking them cleanly anymore. Clearly the job should be given to someone else.
tigersnumberone
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@ron burgandy said:
Burgandy - dont forget how important for and against is.
Even though its early in the season, had benji kicked only 3 more of the attempts he has missed, we would be sitting one spot higher, above the titans. Just as an example. He has missed a few sitters too.
Thats what it could come down to again this year. We dont want to be kicking at 50%. Missed conversions = a lesser points differential. That could hurt us.
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innsaneink
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57% is woeful…but hey im just oh so negative
AndTheKungFoSing
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@innsaneink said:
Try a positive spin on it dude… He kicks more than he misses :wink:
Aladinsane
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At what point does goalkicking become a crisis?….....when the Panther Vs Wests Tigers game tied at 24 All with 1 minute to play, and Benji has a penalty goal to win the match, just, yes just, right of the uprights and he gets unluckly and hits the upright and stays out......the crisis will start................. walking back to the car :blush: ,.................. waiting to get out of the carpark :brick: ................. friggin' driving all the way down the M4.............slamming the friggin' cardoor :smiling_imp: ..........tellin the wife, I don't want dinner, and no, I don''t want to watch a friggin' movie or play friggin' cards........ then trying to ease the crisis, drowning my sorrows with my mate ,Jack Daniels
