Aussies 2018 tour of South Africa Spoilers

[southerntiger]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

Nah the more measured approach is to recognise he was deliberately involved in a conspiracy to cheat and got what he deserved. His second occasion as well.

I have sympathy for him, just like any person who makes mistakes. But he deserved to be punished. 12 months is probably a bit light for deliberate cheating and then being dishonest and deceitful when questioned about it by the umps, particularly as it is his second offence.

 

[hobbo]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

Nah the more measured approach is to recognise he was deliberately involved in a conspiracy to cheat and got what he deserved. His second occasion as well.

I have sympathy for him, just like any person who makes mistakes. But he deserved to be punished. 12 months is probably a bit light for deliberate cheating and then being dishonest and deceitful when questioned about it by the umps, particularly as it is his second offence.

What was his first offence ?

 

[TSupps05]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

I think you'll find that Cricket Australia, like most sporting bodies, has a code of conduct and the players will have breached it allowing Cricket Australia to impose sanctions in accordance with their regulations. There is no restraint of trade, they can go and play for someone else if they want. Cricket Australia can decide what players they are prepared to pick independent of any penalties the ICC might impose. None of it will be thrown out, they are just going to have to wear their penalties.

Sorry, a code of conduct is a legal instrument. CA or any organisation cannot implement its code of conduct arbitrarily. By law, CA is required to undertake an independent investigation and that requires interviews etc. They did not do this and as I said, CA have arbitrarily suspended the players without due process.

Cricket Australia did take independent investigations over in Capetown, hence the reason they came to this conclusion. Although i think the ban is shocking and just wrong. CA just jumped aboard the media hysteria of treating the cricketers like they committed a murder. I think you'll find Smith and Bancroft will appeal their ban's, whilst Warner will never play cricket for Australia again.

 

[southerntiger]

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

Nah the more measured approach is to recognise he was deliberately involved in a conspiracy to cheat and got what he deserved. His second occasion as well.

I have sympathy for him, just like any person who makes mistakes. But he deserved to be punished. 12 months is probably a bit light for deliberate cheating and then being dishonest and deceitful when questioned about it by the umps, particularly as it is his second offence.

What was his first offence ?

Getting directions from the players box on whether he should refer decisions to DRS.

 

[FreddyK]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

I think you'll find that Cricket Australia, like most sporting bodies, has a code of conduct and the players will have breached it allowing Cricket Australia to impose sanctions in accordance with their regulations. There is no restraint of trade, they can go and play for someone else if they want. Cricket Australia can decide what players they are prepared to pick independent of any penalties the ICC might impose. None of it will be thrown out, they are just going to have to wear their penalties.

Sorry, a code of conduct is a legal instrument. CA or any organisation cannot implement its code of conduct arbitrarily. By law, CA is required to undertake an independent investigation and that requires interviews etc. They did not do this and as I said, CA have arbitrarily suspended the players without due process.

Cricket Australia did take independent investigations over in Capetown, hence the reason they came to this conclusion. Although i think the ban is shocking and just wrong. CA just jumped aboard the media hysteria of treating the cricketers like they committed a murder. I think you'll find Smith and Bancroft will appeal their ban's, whilst Warner will never play cricket for Australia again.

Sorry, CA did not undertake an investigation in South Africa. For one they failed to interview each player. It is clearly an abitrary decision by CA and the decision should be taken to the courts. The Board must resign.

 

[hobbo]

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

Nah the more measured approach is to recognise he was deliberately involved in a conspiracy to cheat and got what he deserved. His second occasion as well.

I have sympathy for him, just like any person who makes mistakes. But he deserved to be punished. 12 months is probably a bit light for deliberate cheating and then being dishonest and deceitful when questioned about it by the umps, particularly as it is his second offence.

What was his first offence ?

Getting directions from the players box on whether he should refer decisions to DRS.

Cheers …forgot about that

 

[Fibros]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

I feel sorry for Smith , but it would have taken one of two things and this never happens

He simply say "NO"

Secondly he tells Lehmann what he has just heard

He is totally accountable as a leader you make split second decisions , he made a shocker on that one

Any time someone thinks that David Warner might have a good idea they need to do this :brick: :brick: :brick:

He has failed as a leader/captain and should therefor lose the captaincy. If he's guilty of anything it's being dumb and not raising the matter with Lehman.

 

[Nelson]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

I think you'll find that Cricket Australia, like most sporting bodies, has a code of conduct and the players will have breached it allowing Cricket Australia to impose sanctions in accordance with their regulations. There is no restraint of trade, they can go and play for someone else if they want. Cricket Australia can decide what players they are prepared to pick independent of any penalties the ICC might impose. None of it will be thrown out, they are just going to have to wear their penalties.

Sorry, a code of conduct is a legal instrument. CA or any organisation cannot implement its code of conduct arbitrarily. By law, CA is required to undertake an independent investigation and that requires interviews etc. They did not do this and as I said, CA have arbitrarily suspended the players without due process.

There is no law that requires an independent investigation. I don't know why you assume an independent investigation would yield any different result - they did what they did and they got caught. They probably admitted it when questioned (it would only have compounded the problem if they tried to lie further).

They would have legal recourse if they were denied natural justice but I doubt they were. They may well have pleaded guilty. What they did exposed them to high level sanctions for bringing the game into serious disrepute and damaging the reputation of Cricket Australia. The financial damage to Cricket Australia is already being realised. High level offences carry a maximum of a lifetime ban, they probably got penalties at the lower end of the range for what they would have been charged with.

They have an avenue of appeal under the Code of Conduct before they need to go running off to Court but I doubt we'll see them avail themselves of either avenue - they'll wear it.

Cricket Australia has a brand to protect and they're entitled to defend it aggressively.

 

[sheer64]

Smith deserves what he got, but should appeal it because the investigation was flawed. Warner, we do not need his type any more the Ponting and Clarke eras are over. Still dont understand how they can be banned from the IPL, which has nothing to do with CA. Bancroft will probably never make the Australian side again.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

The 12-month ban by Cricket Australia (CA) is totally outrageous and the three player should take legal action. CA went beyond their authority to issue the ban because in the International game it is the ICC that administers punishment. In fact they have a code by which they adhere to and they had already issued a one-match suspension for the three players. Under the law and in particular under restriction of trade the CA instituted a penalty without due process. Rightly, CA should have either left it to the ICC but they irresponsibly decided to add another penalty. That is simply wrong. Furthermore, CA issued a 12 month ban without an independent investigation and that in itself will be thrown out of a court. The CA board should be thrown out for this alone. Everyone has the right to a fair hearing: CA made an arbitrary decision and should face the consequences.

I think you'll find that Cricket Australia, like most sporting bodies, has a code of conduct and the players will have breached it allowing Cricket Australia to impose sanctions in accordance with their regulations. There is no restraint of trade, they can go and play for someone else if they want. Cricket Australia can decide what players they are prepared to pick independent of any penalties the ICC might impose. None of it will be thrown out, they are just going to have to wear their penalties.

Sorry, a code of conduct is a legal instrument. CA or any organisation cannot implement its code of conduct arbitrarily. By law, CA is required to undertake an independent investigation and that requires interviews etc. They did not do this and as I said, CA have arbitrarily suspended the players without due process.

There is no law that requires an independent investigation. I don't know why you assume an independent investigation would yield any different result - they did what they did and they got caught. They probably admitted it when questioned (it would only have compounded the problem if they tried to lie further).

They would have legal recourse if they were denied natural justice but I doubt they were. They may well have pleaded guilty. What they did exposed them to high level sanctions for bringing the game into serious disrepute and damaging the reputation of Cricket Australia. The financial damage to Cricket Australia is already being realised. High level offences carry a maximum of a lifetime ban, they probably got penalties at the lower end of the range for what they would have been charged with.

They have an avenue of appeal under the Code of Conduct before they need to go running off to Court but I doubt we'll see them avail themselves of either avenue - they'll wear it.

Cricket Australia has a brand to protect and they're entitled to defend it aggressively.

Hmmm Nelson. Goes against what I said earlier but your point makes a lot of sense.

 

[Geo]

Smith is a shattered man and accepts full responsibility..A failure of his leadership and blames no one…

He will be back...

How can he blame anyone else. He was the Captain, the buck stopped with him.

I take it you didn't watch the conference or the line of questioning..I do note the joy you seem to be getting out of the demise of Smith and especially Warner..

 

[southerntiger]

I think what people fail to realise is that the punishments reflected the extraordinary dishonesty and deceitfulness by Smith, Warner and Bancroft after it was discovered.

This included:

- feigning innocence when questioned by the umps, including emptying out pockets when they knew Bancroft had put it down his dacks
- suggesting that more people were involved, presumably to diminish the significance of their own actions as individuals
- lying to the media about the tool used i.e. that it was only stick tape that had been used to collect dirt when it was actually sandpaper.

If none of this had occurred, I suspect the punishments would have been far less.

Unfortunately, Smith and Lehmann bred a culture where winning was important than integrity and this was the logical consequence of such a culture.

 

[Nelson]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

They engaged in orchestrated cheating on an international stage and attempted to lie and cover it up. Smith did it in the position of the national captain. I know he didn't directly involve himself but he failed to take action. He allowed his troops to cheat and he tried to help them get away with it. That is just what happened. There is no getting away from it and taking all the breath you want doesn't make it any less serious.

Don't get me wrong, I feel very sorry for Smith. I saw how shattered he was at the press conference and his remorse is clearly genuine. He seems to me like a man of honour who allowed a dishonourable thing to happen under his watch and himself acted dishonourably in trying to cover it up. Part of being honourable is accepting the consequences of your failings and I think he'll do that, and I think he'll come back stronger.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Smith is a shattered man and accepts full responsibility..A failure of his leadership and blames no one…

He will be back...

How can he blame anyone else. He was the Captain, the buck stopped with him.

I take it you didn't watch the conference or the line of questioning..I do note the joy you seem to be getting out of the demise of Smith and especially Warner..

Really? I’d have thought my comments on the topic were rather tame compared to the rest of the country. Smith should have known better, but I’m sure he’ll learn a major lesson over this. He’ll be back. As for Warner, I have no sympathy. He’s a grub.

 

[hobbo]

Yes …Smith stuffed up big time , he's remorseful , he's apologised and I think its time to lay off ...
He's still a champ in my books .

 

[FreddyK]

Spectators in South Africa called them cheats …. forgetting that their team captain "Faf du Plessis" had been caught ball tampering twice and "Vernon Philander" once.

 

[southerntiger]

Yes …Smith stuffed up big time , he's remorseful , he's apologised and I think its time to lay off ...
He's still a champ in my books .

Im with you. Punishment IMO was fair but time to move on.

Sad thing about this is that it is simply a reflection of Lehmann's team culture. The culture was so poor that Smith even after he was caught deliberately cheating, in fronting up to the media, inconceivably failed to appreciate how serious this was. That is what happens when you get conditioned to push the line. The line between right and wrong becomes very blurry.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hope all the pricks who wanted Steve Smiths blood feel good right now. Yep he stuffed up but lynch mentality through social media ruining society. Where’s Warner?

Sorry I can think for myself. I've always hated cheating, I didn't need Twitter or Facebook to tell me how to feel.

The bloke oversaw the side and he has to take the fall. On a personal level I feel for the bloke, I don't hold any ill will toward him outside of cricket.

Warner is gutless and you won't hear his side of the story until there's a buck to be made.

The public lynching mentality has been outrageous. Smith has copped this penalty because CA have reacted to the minority voice screaming through social and mainstream media. The more measured approach would be to draw breath and rely on processes and policies. Not react on the run. Lives are being ruined because CA are reacting to over emotional outcries by jealous, hateful fools.

On the contrary I think CA are leading by example. The onus is on the ICC and other national boards to follow that next time their players are caught out.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Just saw the Smith press conference. Looks like a man who knows he has made a big mistake but is taking responsibility and wants to prove that is not what he is about. He will end up back in the team and show that this isn’t what defines him. Trust is a hard thing to earn back once lost but he may be able to do it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don’t think Smith is a blatant cheater. I think he’s just shown a lot of ignorance. I have never had an issue with him outside of cricket, he seems like a decent enough guy. The guy I feel most for is Bancroft though.