Balmain steamrolled by NRL

@Abraham said:
@tigerbalm said:
@Abraham said:
@" said:
I don't know about that, I'm told I'm really good at gardening but to be fair I do talk shit to the grass while I cut it so maybe you're right.

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Quick maths lesson for you … Three is a BIGGER number than two.

That means the NRL trumps wests votes every day of the week, on EVERY issue that arises.

So the wests 'voting power' that you alluded to is non existent. Two votes or zero votes, it don't matter, NRL wins everytime.

We are effectively under NRL administration until further notice.

Ponder that while your gardening, and thinking up your next smug response.

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Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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This is the last time I will spell this out for you.

You are assuming a wests vs NRL board type scenario.

You are also assuming that all of a sudden wests and balmain will agree and gang up on the evil NRL.

Why so bitter?

I get 2 is slightly smaller than 3\. I also get that 2 is also a lot bigger than 0.

The NRL will do what's best for their product. They are now involved because balmain was run by clowns. Blame them not the magpies who, after years of being shit on still offered a lifeline. It's Balmain's fault this scenario is being played out. Get on board or gtfo.

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@Abraham said:
@tigerbalm said:
@Abraham said:
@" said:
I don't know about that, I'm told I'm really good at gardening but to be fair I do talk shit to the grass while I cut it so maybe you're right.

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Quick maths lesson for you … Three is a BIGGER number than two.

That means the NRL trumps wests votes every day of the week, on EVERY issue that arises.

So the wests 'voting power' that you alluded to is non existent. Two votes or zero votes, it don't matter, NRL wins everytime.

We are effectively under NRL administration until further notice.

Ponder that while your gardening, and thinking up your next smug response.

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Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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This is the last time I will spell this out for you.

You are assuming a wests vs NRL board type scenario.

You are also assuming that all of a sudden wests and balmain will agree and gang up on the evil NRL.

Why so bitter?

I get 2 is slightly smaller than 3\. I also get that 2 is also a lot bigger than 0.

The NRL will do what's best for their product. They are now involved because balmain was run by clowns. Blame them not the magpies who, after years of being shit on still offered a lifeline. It's Balmain's fault this scenario is being played out. Get on board or gtfo.

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Hopefully we can finally move forward now without having to worry about the 50/50 BS thats held us back for 15 years

Happy days
 
@diedpretty said:
@Abraham said:
@tigerbalm said:
@Abraham said:
Quick maths lesson for you … Three is a BIGGER number than two.

That means the NRL trumps wests votes every day of the week, on EVERY issue that arises.

So the wests 'voting power' that you alluded to is non existent. Two votes or zero votes, it don't matter, NRL wins everytime.

We are effectively under NRL administration until further notice.

Ponder that while your gardening, and thinking up your next smug response.

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Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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So if that's the case Abraham why did Balmain do this deal with the NRL knowing full well it could lead to what you are suggesting. They had the option to accept Wests Ashfields offer to pay their debts to WT for the loss of only one voting right and keep the NRL out of it. Wests Ashfield would have maintained the status quo, no threats of a move to Perth, your beloved Tiger still our logo - yes they may have moved more games to ANZ based on being a good business decision more than anything else. But no Balmains paranoia, poor business sense and arrogant belief that they are the major partner in this JV and their desire to stick it up the Wests Group have put both themselves and WT in a position where they will have no say on their future. Well done.

This is not about Balmain! Get it through your head.

Balmain have stuffed themselves and the JV, plain and simple.

My problem is that the wests tigers are now not in control of the wests tigers any longer. And both sides agreed to this.

How ppl can sit back and gloat over this obvious and potentially disasterous fact is beyond me!

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@tigerbalm said:
@Abraham said:
@tigerbalm said:
@" said:
Quick maths lesson for you … Three is a BIGGER number than two.

That means the NRL trumps wests votes every day of the week, on EVERY issue that arises.

So the wests 'voting power' that you alluded to is non existent. Two votes or zero votes, it don't matter, NRL wins everytime.

We are effectively under NRL administration until further notice.

Ponder that while your gardening, and thinking up your next smug response.

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Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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This is the last time I will spell this out for you.

You are assuming a wests vs NRL board type scenario.

You are also assuming that all of a sudden wests and balmain will agree and gang up on the evil NRL.

Why so bitter?

I get 2 is slightly smaller than 3\. I also get that 2 is also a lot bigger than 0.

The NRL will do what's best for their product. They are now involved because balmain was run by clowns. Blame them not the magpies who, after years of being shit on still offered a lifeline. It's Balmain's fault this scenario is being played out. Get on board or gtfo.

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Your last paragraph justifies everything I have just said.

The NRL will do what's best for the NRL.

Whether this aligns with what's best for the WT is a side note.

Understand now?

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@happy tiger said:
@cqtiger said:
The saddest thing from all of this is that we will never be one club. I really don't know why but there are some very caustic posts and reply posts.

Even so called "Wests Tigers only" posters are taking delight in the plight of the Balmain situation.

So very sad.

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Actually I reckon one way or the other we only we can only move forward with one member of the JV

And I couldn't care less if it was Wests or Balmain that folded

I think a lot of people can finally see that CQ

Really? You know all that needed changing was the WT constitution. The rotating chairman part just shows that the constitution was the main problem.

OK the opposing sides could never garner the courage to change it but a sensible constitution to actually have the goal to be one club would have been a big step forward. It was a document originated to divide from the beginning.

Now the NRL step in and make the reasonable adjustments and basically it's curtains for Balmain. Balmain are only in this mess now because they tried to improve their financial base by enlarging and modernising their leagues club. How dare they.

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Interesting snippet from an article Brad Walter wrote in the SMH August 22 last year…

Fairfax Media has been told that neither Balmain nor Wests Tigers actively sought private investors but potential buyers approached the club from time to time.
Balmain's preferred option is for a board restructure and officials believe that **under the control of independent directors, Wests Tigers would be run so efficiently that no further financial injections would be required from them or the Magpies.**
To do so would require the support of Western Suburbs but the Magpies may prefer to take the opportunity to **right some of the perceived imbalances** in the joint venture over its 14 seasons as Wests Ashfield has the capacity to foot any future bills.
 
CBF reading all the posts but I've come to the conclusion that we are not 1 club. We are not even a club. We are the business venture of two clubs.

We are not a community of WT. We are just a product of two failed clubs who wanted to stay in the nrl.

Apologies if this was already established and known for years but that's the way I see it now. Before i was delusional and though we are 1 club and that we are a community. We can and will never be like that.

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@cqtiger said:
@happy tiger said:
@cqtiger said:
The saddest thing from all of this is that we will never be one club. I really don't know why but there are some very caustic posts and reply posts.

Even so called "Wests Tigers only" posters are taking delight in the plight of the Balmain situation.

So very sad.

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Actually I reckon one way or the other we only we can only move forward with one member of the JV

And I couldn't care less if it was Wests or Balmain that folded

I think a lot of people can finally see that CQ

Really? You know all that needed changing was the WT constitution. The rotating chairman part just shows that the constitution was the main problem.

OK the opposing sides could never garner the courage to change it but a sensible constitution to actually have the goal to be one club would have been a big step forward. It was a document originated to divide from the beginning.

Now the NRL step in and make the reasonable adjustments and basically it's curtains for Balmain. Balmain are only in this mess now because they tried to improve their financial base by enlarging and modernising their leagues club. How dare they.

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And this can happen to any business CQ

You make the wrong call at the wrong time and it can be curtains

I'm guessing you were just as upset when Newtown ,Perth ,Adelaide ,Mariners and the Crushers went under as well ??

Our business /club needs to move forward if Balmain can meet the requirements , well done and welcome back

If not , life goes on

As I have said continually during this saga, the need of the many is far more important than the need of the few
 
@Abraham said:
@tigerbalm said:
@Abraham said:
@tigerbalm said:
Like I said, in your bitter twisted world you expect the NRL board members and wests board members to be at loggerheads at all times? Take off the tin foil hat and just think for a moment that possibly all party's want the club to go in the same direction? To be honest now that balmain are gone its one less road block to a unified club.

The argument " without balmain the NRL can outvote wests/balmain" is just stupid. 15 years have shown it won't work.

New board new times. Just sit back and relax. With the NRL and Wests group looking after the show I feel we are in good hands.

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Just one more time for you, read it slowly … Three is a bigger number than two.

The magpies are as powerless as Balmain on the new board.

The NRLs vision of abandoning suburban grounds for super stadiums, and culling sydney teams and promoting expansion, are just two agendas that can hurt us.

The very fact we as a club don't even haves say over any major issues that arise should scare the pants off everyone.

Independent directors work as a circuit breaker, not as the overriding power base.

Your probably too delirious with pleasure over your misguided notion that the magpies are now 'in power' to even realise the potential ramifications.

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This is the last time I will spell this out for you.

You are assuming a wests vs NRL board type scenario.

You are also assuming that all of a sudden wests and balmain will agree and gang up on the evil NRL.

Why so bitter?

I get 2 is slightly smaller than 3\. I also get that 2 is also a lot bigger than 0.

The NRL will do what's best for their product. They are now involved because balmain was run by clowns. Blame them not the magpies who, after years of being s*** on still offered a lifeline. It's Balmain's fault this scenario is being played out. Get on board or gtfo.

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Your last paragraph justifies everything I have just said.

The NRL will do what's best for the NRL.

Whether this aligns with what's best for the WT is a side note.

Understand now?

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Yes Abraham we all understand and we all get it - WT's future could well be taken out of their own hands. No one is gloating, no one thinks the magpies will be back. Most people are pi##ed off that WT are in this situation because of Balmains inept management and some bad luck. However this may be the kick up the bum this club needs. Balmain will now have to go in to overdrive if they want to survive - no more blaming everyone else. Wests will have a say but may not get anything they want.
In my view the big winner in all this will be that fat pri&* Mayer. As was noted on radio today with the new board members having no football knowledge they will be taking most of their advice from the CEO. Lets hope his performance improves.
 
If one supports the Wests Tigers….then there really is no Western Suburbs or Balmain Tigers......if both foundation clubs disappear, the NRL or a new owner will come out to own that NRL Franchise.

The Wests Tigers though still will exist independent of whatever happens.

When Chelsea FC were bought by Roman Abramovich......the team did not cease to exist and neither will the Wests Tigers.

As a former Magpies supporter I get no pleasure in seeing Balmain in their current mess. It would be great if the two foundation clubs saw eye to eye with the joint venture and worked TOGETHER for the benefit of the JV......but from what I hear Balmains financial troubles stem from one of their former greats involvement in the mismanagement of their affairs......now if that is correct, that is not the Magpies fault.

But lets hope that things get sorted out on the Balmain side of the JV soon and lets hope the WT's start performing like a successful club/football team.
 
@tig_prmz said:
CBF reading all the posts but I've come to the conclusion that we are not 1 club. We are not even a club. We are the business venture of two clubs.

We are not a community of WT. We are just a product of two failed clubs who wanted to stay in the nrl.

Apologies if this was already established and known for years but that's the way I see it now. Before i was delusional and though we are 1 club and that we are a community. We can and will never be like that.

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The facts are that for the previous 15 years we have been two clubs with their own Balmain and Wests agendas/bias.Now with this new board restructure the seeds have been sown for the club to finally prosper under a Wests tigers one club umbrella :sign: :sign: .What you see in this particular thread is comments from "CERTAIN" power hungry posters who used to enjoy the greater powers enjoyed by Balmain and now they are powerless aswell as "CERTAIN" Magpies who seem to think that this means goodbye tigers hello magpies,Which is equally wrong as the new Board structure will make sure that the 3 independent voter majority will make sure that decisions are made with Wests tigers best interest at heart not Balmain and not Magpies.I for one totally love this as in the future it will mean we will see less and less of these stupid threads from fossils who refuse to look forwards rather than backwards. :sign: :sign: :sign: :sign: :sign: :sign:
 
Just to rid this discussion of ridiculuos paranoia, please see comments in **bold** below…

**Restructured Wests Tigers likely to ask Marina Go to lead board**

Date September 6, 2014
Roy Masters

The NRL is poised to have its first chairwoman under the new drive for independent directorships.

Media executive Marina Go, one of three newly appointed non-executive directors, is likely to become chairwoman of a restructured Wests Tigers. Gold Coast's Rebecca Frizelle is the only other woman holding a similar office.

Females almost outnumber males on the Wests Tigers board, with three women on a shortlist of four identified to join the two directors from the Wests Ashfield licensed club, Simon Cook and Tony Andreacchio.

A meeting on Tuesday finally decided Go would be joined by the male on the short list, engineer Lucio Di Bartolomeo, as well as telecommunications expert Rosemary Sinclair.

The three non-aligned directors have already had a series of meetings and it is generally agreed that Go, soon to be general manager of Hearst Bauer Media, will assume the duties of chair, possibly at Sunday's first official meeting.

The new board, which excludes any representatives from Balmain until a debt of $5 million is repaid, is lacking hands-on rugby league experience.

It is inevitable, therefore, that the board will want a chief executive and coach with a strong background in rugby league and an uncompromising leadership style.

Wests Tigers' recent history of embarrassing losses and a fractured dressing room may block the incumbents, chief executive Grant Mayer and coach Michael Potter, from being re-contracted.

**Contrary to continual reports, the old 10-director Wests Tigers board was not hopelessly divided.**

The outgoing Wests Tigers chairman, Mike Bailey, told former Magpie players at the club's reunion last month that the unity in the board was the strongest it had been since the joint venture was formed 15 years ago.

Bailey said the board could not be blamed for the highly publicised spat between commentator Gorden Tallis and Wests Tigers captain Robbie Farah, which distracted the entire club.

Bailey, a former TV weatherman, was ridiculed in the media for not being a rainmaker who could douse the dispute.

It has been speculated that the grace period Balmain have to repay their debt and acquire two seats on the Wests Tigers board ends on March 31, 2016, two years from when agreement was reached on a restructured board in exchange for NRL funding the shortfall.

Wests repaid their share immediately but it is understood there will be a call at one of the first meetings of the new board for more operating funds, exacerbating the financial demands on Balmain.

Balmain will hope the two-year clock begins ticking from that date, giving them more time to pass the hat around.

At the end of the two year period, if Balmain have forfeited their opportunity, Wests have first call on Balmain's half share of the joint venture, acquiring two additional seats and thereby taking control with four votes to the non-aligned directors' three.

**Wests, however, may prefer a business partner to purchase the debt and directorships.**
The Magpie directors are bemused by claims made last month by Nick Di Girolamo, a former Wests Tigers deputy chairman and Balmain representative.

Di Girolamo, who represented the Tigers in talks with the NRL and Wests' Cook over the new board restructure, made claims which suggest he saved the joint venture from implosion.

Now, with Balmain president Leslie Glenn bitterly protesting over the Tigers being steamrolled out of the joint venture, Di Girolamo's boasts of great influence in the board restructure must be questioned, certainly in terms of the role he played representing Balmain.

**Wests, however, are not dancing on Balmain's grave and have surrendered any claim to have the club renamed the Magpies.**

**They recognise the NRL club will retain the name Wests Tigers, certainly during the term of the new licence.**

A Wests Tigers board without Balmain representatives does signal a westward move away from Leichhardt to Campbelltown.

The Magpies have already reclaimed ownership and organisation of their junior representative teams and are running teams in the Sydney Shield and Ron Massey cups.

Wests' huge junior base at Campbelltown is run by a woman, Julie Luke, suggesting the Magpies won't have a problem with being told what to do by a woman, even one whose name suggests she could be a Go-getter.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/restructured-wests-tigers-likely-to-ask-marina-go-to-lead-board-20140906-10dazh.html#ixzz3CYSnuA81
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
Just to rid this discussion of ridiculuos paranoia, please see comments in **bold** below…

**Restructured Wests Tigers likely to ask Marina Go to lead board**

Date September 6, 2014
Roy Masters

The NRL is poised to have its first chairwoman under the new drive for independent directorships.

Media executive Marina Go, one of three newly appointed non-executive directors, is likely to become chairwoman of a restructured Wests Tigers. Gold Coast's Rebecca Frizelle is the only other woman holding a similar office.

Females almost outnumber males on the Wests Tigers board, with three women on a shortlist of four identified to join the two directors from the Wests Ashfield licensed club, Simon Cook and Tony Andreacchio.

A meeting on Tuesday finally decided Go would be joined by the male on the short list, engineer Lucio Di Bartolomeo, as well as telecommunications expert Rosemary Sinclair.

The three non-aligned directors have already had a series of meetings and it is generally agreed that Go, soon to be general manager of Hearst Bauer Media, will assume the duties of chair, possibly at Sunday's first official meeting.

The new board, which excludes any representatives from Balmain until a debt of $5 million is repaid, is lacking hands-on rugby league experience.

It is inevitable, therefore, that the board will want a chief executive and coach with a strong background in rugby league and an uncompromising leadership style.

Wests Tigers' recent history of embarrassing losses and a fractured dressing room may block the incumbents, chief executive Grant Mayer and coach Michael Potter, from being re-contracted.

**Contrary to continual reports, the old 10-director Wests Tigers board was not hopelessly divided.**

The outgoing Wests Tigers chairman, Mike Bailey, told former Magpie players at the club's reunion last month that the unity in the board was the strongest it had been since the joint venture was formed 15 years ago.

Bailey said the board could not be blamed for the highly publicised spat between commentator Gorden Tallis and Wests Tigers captain Robbie Farah, which distracted the entire club.

Bailey, a former TV weatherman, was ridiculed in the media for not being a rainmaker who could douse the dispute.

It has been speculated that the grace period Balmain have to repay their debt and acquire two seats on the Wests Tigers board ends on March 31, 2016, two years from when agreement was reached on a restructured board in exchange for NRL funding the shortfall.

Wests repaid their share immediately but it is understood there will be a call at one of the first meetings of the new board for more operating funds, exacerbating the financial demands on Balmain.

Balmain will hope the two-year clock begins ticking from that date, giving them more time to pass the hat around.

At the end of the two year period, if Balmain have forfeited their opportunity, Wests have first call on Balmain's half share of the joint venture, acquiring two additional seats and thereby taking control with four votes to the non-aligned directors' three.

**Wests, however, may prefer a business partner to purchase the debt and directorships.**
The Magpie directors are bemused by claims made last month by Nick Di Girolamo, a former Wests Tigers deputy chairman and Balmain representative.

Di Girolamo, who represented the Tigers in talks with the NRL and Wests' Cook over the new board restructure, made claims which suggest he saved the joint venture from implosion.

Now, with Balmain president Leslie Glenn bitterly protesting over the Tigers being steamrolled out of the joint venture, Di Girolamo's boasts of great influence in the board restructure must be questioned, certainly in terms of the role he played representing Balmain.

**Wests, however, are not dancing on Balmain's grave and have surrendered any claim to have the club renamed the Magpies.**

**They recognise the NRL club will retain the name Wests Tigers, certainly during the term of the new licence.**

A Wests Tigers board without Balmain representatives does signal a westward move away from Leichhardt to Campbelltown.

The Magpies have already reclaimed ownership and organisation of their junior representative teams and are running teams in the Sydney Shield and Ron Massey cups.

Wests' huge junior base at Campbelltown is run by a woman, Julie Luke, suggesting the Magpies won't have a problem with being told what to do by a woman, even one whose name suggests she could be a Go-getter.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/restructured-wests-tigers-likely-to-ask-marina-go-to-lead-board-20140906-10dazh.html#ixzz3CYSnuA81

An excellent must read for some of the worry-wort agenda driven fossils on here
 
It was pretty clear who would be chairperson at the Media conference.

Maria will be the face and public voice of the board.

I am very heartened by the new board. I'm also optimistic of the role West Ashfield will play in this.

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Remember Paul Kent saying what qualifies Mike Bailey picking a coach based on his RL experience.

Wonder what he thinks qualifies the new lady directors doing same.
 
Being female doesn't exclude you from making informed decisions about a FG coach. I'm sure you were just fishing?

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Being female doesn't exclude you from making informed decisions about a FG coach. I'm sure you were just fishing?

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