Balmain Tigers’ future secured with funding agreement with NRL and Western Suburbs

I love how everybody thinks that Wests bailed Balmain out because they wanted to be nice and compassionate.. Make no mistake about it this was a business decision it had nothing to do with being nice. The potential loss of sponsorships and memberships was why they saved Balmain not because they wanted to do a good deed.
 
I don't care about who, why, when, buts or ifs. Wests are the owners now, put some money into the bloody joint.
 
@tigermac88 said:
I love how everybody thinks that Wests bailed Balmain out because they wanted to be nice and compassionate.. Make no mistake about it this was a business decision it had nothing to do with being nice. The potential loss of sponsorships and memberships was why they saved Balmain not because they wanted to do a good deed.

I agree to say this decision was purely motivated by Wests compassion for Balmain would be false. There's numerous other good business reasons to keep Balmain an active (or inactive) participant of the Wests Tigers. But look at it another way - if Wests were highly motivated to destroy Balmains ongoing association with the Wests Tigers they could have and they didn't. So perhaps there is a bit of real love between our owners.
 
Has the NRL or Wests Tigers or Wests group or BDRLFC made an official announcement at all…just asking...?
 
@Geo. said:
Has the NRL or Wests Tigers or Wests group or BDRLFC made an official announcement at all…just asking...?

No. Just another story by the Tele. Interesting though that the article above this one was the story about the compassionate ball boy (ie, photographed with Moses on Sunday) with quotes from his father - Simon Cook. Just a hunch, but if the Tele is speaking to Simon Cook about his son; than they're likely going to ask him about ongoing negotiations with Balmain and the NRL.
 
@Geo. said:
Has the NRL or Wests Tigers or Wests group or BDRLFC made an official announcement at all…just asking...?

According to Roy, looks like they really can't announce anything official till end of April:
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**WIN owner Bruce Gordon buys 50 per cent stake in St George Illawarra Dragons**

Roy Masters
April 19 2016 - 7:00PM
Roy Masters
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The NRL's two remaining joint venture clubs will have phantom owners by the end of the month, with billionaire Bruce Gordon taking 50 per cent in St George Illawarra and the Magpies moving to 75 per cent equity in Wests Tigers, leaving the Tigers with a name but no equity in the franchise.

The Steelers, who joined the then NSWRL in 1982 and merged with the Dragons at the end of the Super League war, will also have no equity in St George Illawarra – Gordon holding 50 per cent and the Kogarah-based Dragons retaining 50 per cent – but Illawarra will have representation on the board.

The Balmain Tigers, a 1908 foundation club, will nominally exist in Wests Tigers, and their parlous financial state means they are unlikely to raise the $2.7 million to acquire a 25 per cent share of the club and board representation but will be given 5 years to do so.

**The official announcement of the restructures, supervised by the NRL's Tony Crawford, will coincide with repayment of debt to the NRL, with Gordon paying between $6 million and $7 million and Wests Ashfield, the Magpies' successful licensed club, paying $2.7 million, which is half the outstanding money owed headquarters.**
Wests Ashfield will have control of the board, constitution and all documents, and a veto over any new owner of the remaining quarter of the club. Private equity of 25 per cent would relieve Wests Ashfield of some responsibility of covering future cost overruns.

**Ashfield has also ruled out any possibility of moving to 100 per cent equity, because it would mean rebranding the club as the Wests Magpies and moving to Campbelltown. Not only would this mean vacating a huge wedge of inner Sydney to the Bulldogs and Eels, it would also disenfranchise a new generation of rugby league fans who have grown up knowing the club only as Wests Tigers.**

The Dragons are entitled to boast they have been the only enduring successful joint venture of the three formed at the end of the costly and brutal Super League war when the number of clubs was to be cut initially from 20 to 14.

Unlike the shotgun marriages of Wests Tigers and the short-lived Northern Eagles combination of traditional enemies Norths and Manly, the union of St George and the Steelers was a wedding where each partner had what the other wanted.

St George had history, while Illawarra had geography.

The usually successful Dragons were backed by its Kogarah-based licensed club but surrounded by an increasingly ageing, non-traditional rugby league demographic, while the Steelers had a rich nursery of talent but little money and tradition.

The not-negotiables in the original wedding vows of St George Illawarra – colours (red and white), emblem (Dragons) and location (St George and Wollongong) – will remain. Future decisions on where games are played – Wollongong, Kogarah, Allianz or ANZ stadiums – will be made by the new board.

The Magpies will control where future Wests Tigers games are played but the disappointing crowd at Leichhardt on Sunday, admittedly against Melbourne who drew few supporters, indicate a westward move to Homebush and eventually Campbelltown.

The NRL has set a time frame on the ownership structures of its four debtor clubs – Dragons, Wests Tigers, Knights and Titans – and has dictated all four will be treated the same regarding money owed.

While the Dragons are expected to be the first of the officially-announced new ownership structures, the lawyers working on the Wests Tigers reorganisation will complete details by the end of April.

**Wests, the competition's paupers from the late 1970s when Ashfield's annual grant was only $50,000, have been effectively reborn from the late 1950s when it was known as the "millionaire club".**
The Dragons, who are now the NRL's only perfect match of private equity and community ownership, can boast they have always looked ahead to the next twist of economic history.

While Souths refused to merge and were banished by the NRL, the Dragons embraced the Steelers and the NRL's $10 million merger dowry and have now followed the Rabbitohs in seeking a rich suitor of similar megabucks to James Packer and Russell Crowe, Souths' new owners.

Gordon's WIN Corporation is one of the most successful media corporations in Australia and the sport of rugby league, once shunned by the top end of town, can now claim some wealthy investors.

It can be argued the Steelers have retreated to their original position as a St George nursery, but the Wollongong club has contributed little finance to the costly operation of an NRL club. However, they will have savvy representation on the new board, and the Steelers administer the highly successful local Illawarra Coal League.

Wests Ashfield subsidises six junior clubs in the traditional Balmain district.
 
@cqtiger said:
@hammertime said:
@Basil Tiger said:
@hammertime said:
Load of codswallop. It's factual that the NRL had little to no say, not based some feeling. And do you think the directorship will look good on the independents CVs if the club goes backwards?

Balmain is dead and buried. Even if they get this development to go ahead, they'll have little to no money for a long time. I wish they had got in the Jaycar or Brydens bloke and be done with it. Would have been the perfect setup to take us forward.

In your rush to have a 'go' your've completely missed the point buts thats OK,you should have added IMIO to your post,"ïn my ignorant opinion".

ha… and what was your point?

b.t.w. You missed a comma, at least one full stop, it's 'you've' and 'that's'... I wonder how people miss your 'point'.

People who resort to using other people's poor spelling, grammar or punctuation may as well admit to losing the debate.

TBH Cq, I just threw that in there after I had to re-read multiple times. Happy for you to enlighten me as to the original question of mine though? More so, People who dodge the question, may as well admit to losing the debate.
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@hammertime said:
@Patts said:
@hammertime said:
Because that's worked out so well in the past with the magpies and tigers as solo entities?

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

Canterbury, Penrith, Parramatta, etc - nothing wrong with a successful leagues club running a football club

Well you picked 2 clubs with salary caps scandals and one that was saved by phil Gould. Plus, all those have a lot more $s to burn than we do.

It's just not a good model. Just sit back and look at the governance structure and revenue streams. It's open to both financial risk and management corruption/factions.

We were onto a fantastic thing with the perfect balance…now it's gone and we won't get it back.

By "perfect balance" we're you referring to the way it was with the non football independents or the way it was with Balmain and Wests equal shares ? With the
Independents nothing much was done, and we don't have to go into Balmains record of running things
It's better with decisions being able to be made without doing deals, or infighting.
WA seem to be able to do ok with their Leagues club.

The 3 proportionate shares so that league nous could override business nous if Wests/Balmain agreed. But the business had the swing vote on any given issue.

Perfect.

The independents fixed the mess. I know no one will give them credit for it… I go back to my point earlier about us rewarding mediocrity.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
I just hope some neutral board members remain, to provide some stability and business acumen.

Also that WA start throwing more cash into the WT. If they want to me majority stakeholder then they better start putting up more capital into the facilities, coaching structure etc. They've got the cash and are the majority owners so there's nothing to stop them increasing their investment but their own decision making.

You've written this as a joke haven't you.
 
@tigermac88 said:
I love how everybody thinks that Wests bailed Balmain out because they wanted to be nice and compassionate.. Make no mistake about it this was a business decision it had nothing to do with being nice. The potential loss of sponsorships and memberships was why they saved Balmain not because they wanted to do a good deed.

And you know this as a fact because …................
 
@diedpretty said:
@tigermac88 said:
I love how everybody thinks that Wests bailed Balmain out because they wanted to be nice and compassionate.. Make no mistake about it this was a business decision it had nothing to do with being nice. The potential loss of sponsorships and memberships was why they saved Balmain not because they wanted to do a good deed.

And you know this as a fact because …................

Are you that naive are you?? Come on mate I thought you were smarter than that. Gee you're a grumpy old dinosaur. I don't know this is a fact but you don't have to be real intelligent to know that if WA made Balmain disappear then the Wests Tigers would've lost some form of sponsorships and membership numbers from the Balmain side
 
@hammertime said:
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The independents fixed the mess. I know no one will give them credit for it… I go back to my point earlier about us rewarding mediocrity.

Mate,do you actually check what you've typed,i've just gone back and read some of your Posts,i assume your home on School Holidays,if not and your an adult, god help this Forum.
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Geo. said:
Has the NRL or Wests Tigers or Wests group or BDRLFC made an official announcement at all…just asking...?

According to Roy, looks like they really can't announce anything official till end of April:
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**The Balmain Tigers, a 1908 foundation club, will nominally exist in Wests Tigers, and their parlous financial state means they are unlikely to raise the $2.7 million to acquire a 25 per cent share of the club and board representation but will be given 5 years to do so.\
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The official announcement of the restructures, supervised by the NRL's Tony Crawford, will coincide with repayment of debt to the NRL, with Gordon paying between $6 million and $7 million and Wests Ashfield, the Magpies' successful licensed club, paying $2.7 million, which is half the outstanding money owed headquarters.
Wests Ashfield will have control of the board, constitution and all documents, and a veto over any new owner of the remaining quarter of the club. Private equity of 25 per cent would relieve Wests Ashfield of some responsibility of covering future cost overruns.\
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Ashfield has also ruled out any possibility of moving to 100 per cent equity, because it would mean rebranding the club as the Wests Magpies and moving to Campbelltown. Not only would this mean vacating a huge wedge of inner Sydney to the Bulldogs and Eels, it would also disenfranchise a new generation of rugby league fans who have grown up knowing the club only as Wests Tigers.**

**You have to wonder who or why anybody would want to buy a minority stake in an organisation that will (likely) never make a profit. Don't get me wrong; if I was a multi millionaire I'd love to throw my fav footy team in with my other toys. But 25% is hardly ownership so I would probably keep my money in my pocket.\
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I suppose we now have 5 years to work that out. That's assuming Roy's story is correct.**
 
@Basil Tiger said:
@hammertime said:
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The independents fixed the mess. I know no one will give them credit for it… I go back to my point earlier about us rewarding mediocrity.

Mate,do you actually check what you've typed,i've just gone back and read some of your Posts,i assume your home on School Holidays,if not and your an adult, god help this Forum.

Ha. I'm a 34 year old project manager at one of the major banks and went to a selective school. I'm not sure where you are getting your criteria from mate.

How about actually providing something substantial rather than a personal attack?
 
@hammertime said:
@Basil Tiger said:
@hammertime said:
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The independents fixed the mess. I know no one will give them credit for it… I go back to my point earlier about us rewarding mediocrity.

Mate,do you actually check what you've typed,i've just gone back and read some of your Posts,i assume your home on School Holidays,if not and your an adult, god help this Forum.

Ha. I'm a 34 year old project manager at one of the major banks and went to a selective school. I'm not sure where you are getting your criteria from mate.

How about actually providing something substantial rather than a personal attack?

….and you spend all day posting here,you must be busy at work.
Anyway your entitled to your Opinion,as naive & ignorant as it may be,just stay away from my Posts.
 
@Basil Tiger said:
@hammertime said:
@Basil Tiger said:
@hammertime said:
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The independents fixed the mess. I know no one will give them credit for it… I go back to my point earlier about us rewarding mediocrity.

Mate,do you actually check what you've typed,i've just gone back and read some of your Posts,i assume your home on School Holidays,if not and your an adult, god help this Forum.

Ha. I'm a 34 year old project manager at one of the major banks and went to a selective school. I'm not sure where you are getting your criteria from mate.

How about actually providing something substantial rather than a personal attack?

….and you spend all day posting here,you must be busy at work.
Anyway your entitled to your Opinion,as naive & ignorant as it may be,just stay away from my Posts.

ha, because I called out you rubbishing the independents as wannabes with no basis or reason to your argument? I hate people with tally poppy syndrome. Go have a cry. I think I'll make it my mission now to find your posts since YOU'VE decided to make something personal.

.. and since you've gone and searched my posts, you'll see I'm pretty inactive unless I'm passionate about something big. This is big. I work extremely hard, including sleeping on the floor here last year for a major project… but I don't need to prove that to you.
 
Its been already said but Wests Tigers did this because is a wise business decision for a couple of reasons.

The 'Tiger' brand is a very valuable asset and the majority of fans were originally Balmain fans.

It would not be wise for the Magpies to get to ahead of themselves because pokies will continue to play less of a role in contributing to a football club than the football team itself. Twenty years down the track the poor and rich are more likely to support the Tiger than the Magpie. For example the major sponsor is of course a Tiger.

The Tiger is here to stay, the heart and sole of the Westsssssss Tigers.
 
@hammertime said:
@Basil Tiger said:
@hammertime said:
@Basil Tiger said:
Mate,do you actually check what you've typed,i've just gone back and read some of your Posts,i assume your home on School Holidays,if not and your an adult, god help this Forum.

Ha. I'm a 34 year old project manager at one of the major banks and went to a selective school. I'm not sure where you are getting your criteria from mate.

How about actually providing something substantial rather than a personal attack?

….and you spend all day posting here,you must be busy at work.
Anyway your entitled to your Opinion,as naive & ignorant as it may be,just stay away from my Posts.

ha, because I called out you rubbishing the independents as wannabes with no basis or reason to your argument? I hate people with tally poppy syndrome. Go have a cry. I think I'll make it my mission now to find your posts since YOU'VE decided to make something personal.

.. and since you've gone and searched my posts, you'll see I'm pretty inactive unless I'm passionate about something big. This is big. I work extremely hard, including sleeping on the floor here last year for a major project… but I don't need to prove that to you.

I'd ask for a pay rise if I was you
The banks can afford it,
They'll just tack it on all their customers fees, :sunglasses:
 

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