Balman Leagues

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Got my letter from the Leagues club today about the new venues.

The Sydney Markets one seems like quality.

April 28 the Rozelle premises closes for the last time as it currently stands

 

[softlaw]

Im wondering how this apparent backflip from the govt yet again will affect the redevelopment

Agreed. Absolutely nothing has gone right for the club throughout this whole redevelopment.

 

[Yossarian]

Im wondering how this apparent backflip from the govt yet again will affect the redevelopment

Agreed. Absolutely nothing has gone right for the club throughout this whole redevelopment.

Won't have much of an impact at all IMO. That area of Sydney is still a highly desirable area to live, it still has good transport, close to the city, shops downstairs and short walk to Darling St. Places will still go for a small fortune.

 

[Buckets_of_blood]

Work on metros 'to start this year'
ADELE FERGUSON
January 21, 2010
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The Sydney central business district metro line will go ahead, but without a Rozelle station, and the Government will expedite the $8 billion West Metro, senior government sources say.
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Sources said yesterday that construction of the line through the CBD would start this year, concurrently with the West Metro.
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Planning approval for the West Metro, an 11-station underground line from Westmead and Parramatta to Central station, is believed to be under way.
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The Government is expected to finalise an environmental assessment in the first half of this year.
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Approval for the CBD Metro is imminent and, depending on the timing of the West Metro's final approval, construction on both lines would be simultaneous. They would be expected to be completed within a year of each other.
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The contract to operate the CBD Metro has been put out to tender and has been designed with sufficient flexibility to allow for additional lines.
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Three parties have been shortlisted for the contract to build the project. An additional contact will be put out to tender for the West Metro.
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The CBD Metro has been costed at $5.4 billion and the West Metro at $8.1 billion, which will be funded out of the Government's $180 billion Transport Blueprint. There will be no federal funding.
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The Premier, Kristina Keneally, confirmed on Tuesday that the Sydney Metro Authority had stopped buying land around Darling Street, Rozelle, where the seven-kilometre line from Central was supposed to terminate. But her refusal to confirm the proposal would go ahead triggered speculation that it would be axed.
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A spokesman for the Premier would not comment on CBD or West metro plans. He said an announcement would be made at the end of next month as part of the Transport Blueprint release.
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One of the main criticisms of the CBD Metro is that it services areas that already have bus, light rail and ferry services. The West Metro will be a 20-kilometre line running beneath the heavily congested Parramatta Road corridor, servicing many areas that are only accessible by bus.
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Government sources said together the projects made sense.
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The head of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, Brendan Lyon, said suggestions the Government would proceed with the CBD Metro and construct an extension to Parramatta would be welcomed by commuters. ''If the NSW Government was to abandon Metro, it would do significant damage to the state's reputation with the private sector, but worse, it would rob the state's residents of the opportunity to transform public transport," he said.
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Mr Lyon said business had supported the CBD Metro, because it formed the first stage of a much broader network. ''A West Metro is important because it will relieve congestion and support economic and population growth in Parramatta and the west, a key employment hub to sustain growth," he said.
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With Sydney's population set to increase to 5.4 million people in 2026, the Government is under pressure to build additional transport capacity.
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The Opposition Leader, Barry O'Farrell, has called on the Government to axe the line to Rozelle and reallocate the money to the south-west and north-west heavy rail links.
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Didnt know about the West Metro (nice ring to that) ….makes more sense now theyre planned to be linked.

 

[Spartan117]

The Opposition Leader, Barry O'Farrell, has called on the Government to axe the line to Rozelle and reallocate the money to the south-west and north-west heavy rail links.
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Good Call Barry…
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If the Axe Rozelle - there will be Compensation etc.... The Development will simply be tweaked.

 

[Buckets_of_blood]

This whole metro deal seems very very shoddy indeed

http://www.smh.com.au/national/safety-warnings-on-metro-deleted-20100121-moa7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Safety warnings on metro deleted
ANDREW WEST
January 22, 2010
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EXCLUSIVE
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SOME of the world's top engineers have warned RailCorp that the construction of the CBD Metro would cause a serious risk to CityRail operations in the centre of Sydney - but their warnings were dropped from RailCorp's official response to the controversial metro.
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The Herald has obtained a crucial extract from a draft report by the international engineering consultancy GHD Australia, which was hired to write RailCorp's response to the metro's environmental assessment.
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In passages that were later excised from all publicly available documents, GHD warned: ''Where proposed tunnelling activity is located above, below or within 25 metres of RailCorp's operating tunnel, there is potential for adverse impacts to the infrastructure and operations of the existing rail network, and therefore this aspect needs to be treated as being of critical importance.''
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A RailCorp spokesman said the Herald had obtained ''a very old draft'', but confirmed RailCorp had received it. He added that RailCorp's official response was on the metro website.
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That response - which is contained in the Sydney Metro Authority's ''Submissions Report'' - makes no reference to these warnings.
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The Herald understands these critical sections were included in GHD's final report for RailCorp, which was widely circulated inside the organisation. Senior rail officials knew of its contents, which one RailCorp source called ''an inconvenient truth''.
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GHD's report also says: ''RailCorp seeks further detailed assurance [from the metro authority] that there is a very close engineering and technical scrutiny of works in these circumstances.''
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GHD identifies problems with key city sites, including the Goulburn Street car park, Scots Church near Wynyard and the MLC Centre. A separate 2001 report also said the Goulburn Street car park was at risk of collapse.
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GHD also says that ''blasting'' - which is mentioned on page 178 of the metro's environmental assessment as a method of excavation - is ''not acceptable if in close proximity to existing rail infrastructure''.
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The concerns refer specifically to the metro's decision to seize a vital corridor under Pitt Street. The corridor intersects with existing CityRail tunnels, which are used for the city circle, north shore and eastern suburbs lines.
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The metro would have to pass under CityRail tracks at 12 locations and GHD says each work site along the route would require ''a specific risk management strategy and a detailed rail safety plan''.
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While RailCorp planners acknowledge the Pitt Street corridor involves construction risks, they have recently argued that there would be a much greater benefit from using the corridor for a heavy rail ''relief line'' that links to a second harbour crossing and the job-rich lower north shore. The benefit of building the metro in the same corridor would not offset these construction risks.
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The Herald understands RailCorp planners have urged the metro to use a corridor under Sussex Street, which could serve the planned Barangaroo development with two stations. Their recommendations echoed a report by the leading engineering consultants Connell Wagner, which also supported the Sussex Street corridor.
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''If the Government is now talking about terminating the metro at Barangaroo and not going underwater to Rozelle, it would be much easier to go straight up under Sussex Street,'' a rail industry source said. ''There is no point using the Pitt Street corridor.''

 

[Kul]

Jeez Ink, they can land a man on the moon but suddenly they can't dig a tunnel.
Pft!
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my god! Just like the lote thread, people in Australia are too darn picky.

When the Iron Cove Bridge duplication was put forward, there were protest signs all around the area with "No New Bridge! Metro the way to go!"
Now those same people are saying "No Metro, buses the way to go!"
if they had their way, nothing would ever happen in this country. No infrastructure, no development, nothing!

This is why I pray for a government to step in, see the light and push ahead with little regard for poor bob smith's concerns. If Sydney is going to be a major city of the world we need to make sacrifices. But like all sacrifices, the dividends are far superior!

but no, instead of traveling on a fast, vast metro network to anywhere in the city, people prefer to ride on the slow, un-airconditioned State Transit buses through hours of congestion with the illusion that painting one lane of a road red will suddenly fix our transport problems.

It's things like this that make me angry and want to get into politics

 

[Kul]

instead of:


they want:


 

[system]

If Sydney is going to be a major city of the world we need to make sacrifices.

That is it in a nutshell.

Enough pandering has been done as it stands, urban sprawl has been alowed to continue at a stupid rate. In reality if planners were at all intelligent we should have started growing up rather than out 20 years ago. It is the near sighted attitude that makes everything such a mess.

Every metrolpois of any note makes sacrifices. Any true mass transit system will require a leap od faith to get it right.

While I am at it. If you moved to the Hills District in the last decade stop your bitching about the tranport system. You moved to b.f. nowhere and expect a government to deliver on a promise they have been making for 30+ years. You want to live there and work in the city than kick back and enjoy your self created traffic nightmare

 

[Yossarian]

If Sydney is going to be a major city of the world we need to make sacrifices.

That is it in a nutshell.

Enough pandering has been done as it stands, urban sprawl has been alowed to continue at a stupid rate. In reality if planners were at all intelligent we should have started growing up rather than out 20 years ago. It is the near sighted attitude that makes everything such a mess.

Every metrolpois of any note makes sacrifices. Any true mass transit system will require a leap od faith to get it right.

While I am at it. If you moved to the Hills District in the last decade stop your b**** about the tranport system. You moved to b.f. nowhere and expect a government to deliver on a promise they have been making for 30+ years. You want to live there and work in the city than kick back and enjoy your self created traffic nightmare

Same with people on the Northern Beaches Smeg. You're very right in what you say and a metro through Rozelle/Gladesville on to Ryde will eventually be a must have but I don't think it should be the first one they build. The latest concept down Parramatta Road seems to be a more logical first step.

 

[Muffstar]

I agree Kul, the people don't want the extension of the M4 to Rozelle as it may cause them inconvenience. People don't want the Metro yet the Govt is planning on moving the O'seas passenger terminal to White Bay which has NO extra facilty for traffic increases. If they don't have the Metro Balmain will be gridlocked.

 

[system]

The Parramatta Rd Metro does seem the most feesable as a first run effort.

Than again if our GST dollars didn't help build and maintain every other states infrastructure and were allowed to remain in NSW there would be a real chance to do both

 

[Buckets_of_blood]

b.f. nowhere

LMAO!
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Seriously, I really wasnt aware of any metros going ahead anywhere in the city…though I do recall them mentioning buying properties around ashfield etc....been a long time since ive really had to put up with public transport so im pretty ignorant onthe topic, that said I still believe if they lose the stop at BLC, its like pouring concrete down a gold mine...thats a killer imo...so may potential $$$ zooming staright by.

 

[Yossarian]

b.f. nowhere

LMAO!
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Seriously, I really wasnt aware of any metros going ahead anywhere in the city…though I do recall them mentioning buying properties around ashfield etc....been a long time since ive really had to put up with public transport so im pretty ignorant onthe topic, that said I still believe if they lose the stop at BLC, its like pouring concrete down a gold mine...thats a killer imo...so may potential $$$ zooming staright by.

I don't think losing the metro stop will matter that much. The site is still located on the major transport link to the area (i.e. Victoria Road). People will just get off a bus instead of a train. Even with things as they are now the development will be a major cash earner. As it is they may be able to keep the Rozelle club trading and work around it for a while now that the Metro mob don't need the site.