Becoming a development club

[Geo]

Didn't know Ray Stone was our junior. Rate him as a player. What is the hype with William Kei seems to be talked about by Forum Members. Please enlightened me

I don’t know if he was ever in our system. He’s a group 6 boy which technically means he’s our junior but I think he went straight into the eels system for under 20’s along with manly player Sean Keppie.

Group 6 is a great nursery of talent and majority of the decent players end up in the eels system instead of Tigers. The magpies SG ball is pretty poorly run apparently which doesn’t help.

Stone played a number of NYC games for Wests Tigers..2016

Same team as Jacob Liddle and Paseka

 

[facepalmer]

Stone was awesome for us in u20s. He used to fold everyone. One man wrecking crew.

 

[JC99]

Didn't know Ray Stone was our junior. Rate him as a player. What is the hype with William Kei seems to be talked about by Forum Members. Please enlightened me

I don’t know if he was ever in our system. He’s a group 6 boy which technically means he’s our junior but I think he went straight into the eels system for under 20’s along with manly player Sean Keppie.

Group 6 is a great nursery of talent and majority of the decent players end up in the eels system instead of Tigers. The magpies SG ball is pretty poorly run apparently which doesn’t help.

Stone played a number of NYC games for Wests Tigers..2016

Same team as Jacob Liddle and Paseka

Fair enough. Clearly decided we weren’t good enough and went off to eels regardless

 

[JC99]

Stone was awesome for us in u20s. He used to fold everyone. One man wrecking crew.

He’s being wasted at eels they’re trying to use him as a hooker for whatever reason

 

[balmain boy]

Didn't know Ray Stone was our junior. Rate him as a player. What is the hype with William Kei seems to be talked about by Forum Members. Please enlightened me

Stone got concussed about 8 times in one season of Canterbury Cup. Top junior talent but got smashed every game.

Kei is a decent wing prospect, the nephew of Jonah Lomu. Looks to be a Nof style winger. Nuggetty

 

[balmain boy]

So when does development start? The storm and roosters only start developing players in Flegg. The sharks start at SG Ball. Are Souths and Panthers the only development club that targets players in their mid-teens?

Which model should we follow? Stacking the flegg side with other clubs talent or building a large base of juniors from a young age?

 

[Geo]

Not sure how ignored the juniors are to be honest..the cream rise to the top..

Penrith, Parramatta and the Illawarra are not immune either..plenty of NRL talent from their area's playing for other Clubs

At times it's a matter of the planets aligning where you get a crop come through around the same time...

 

[frullens]

So when does development start? The storm and roosters only start developing players in Flegg. The sharks start at SG Ball. Are Souths and Panthers the only development club that targets players in their mid-teens?

Which model should we follow? Stacking the flegg side with other clubs talent or building a large base of juniors from a young age?

Storm and Roosters don't have massive juniors, but are greedy at developing young talent, so are attractive.

Wests like panthers have a massive junior nursery to harness. We need to focus and develop strong pathways for our local talent. Starting with an junior academy set up in campbellton.

Stronger links to St.Gregs which the club has started to discuss is also critical.

 

[JC99]

So when does development start? The storm and roosters only start developing players in Flegg. The sharks start at SG Ball. Are Souths and Panthers the only development club that targets players in their mid-teens?

Which model should we follow? Stacking the flegg side with other clubs talent or building a large base of juniors from a young age?

Follow the roosters and storm system it clearly works. Fill your top squad with guns and the remaining 10-13 spots go to mostly 18 year olds with big potential. Penrith system only works because of how strong their junior nursery is, We could do the same if the club ran it right

 

[izotope]

So when does development start? The storm and roosters only start developing players in Flegg. The sharks start at SG Ball. Are Souths and Panthers the only development club that targets players in their mid-teens?

Which model should we follow? Stacking the flegg side with other clubs talent or building a large base of juniors from a young age?

Panthers. Use to be like us a joke now they struggling to pick their team too much talent and as fair as I'm aware no sombrero.

 

[innsaneink]

Not sure how ignored the juniors are to be honest..the cream rise to the top..

Penrith, Parramatta and the Illawarra are not immune either..plenty of NRL talent from their area's playing for other Clubs

**> At times it's a matter of the planets aligning where you get a crop come through around the same time...**

That's very true... We had a magpies flegg team produce Fulton gibbs and a few others then later balmain had a great team over a few years brooks moses Sirro etc

 

[southerntiger]

Didn't know Ray Stone was our junior. Rate him as a player. What is the hype with William Kei seems to be talked about by Forum Members. Please enlightened me

I don’t know if he was ever in our system. He’s a group 6 boy which technically means he’s our junior but I think he went straight into the eels system for under 20’s along with manly player Sean Keppie.

Group 6 is a great nursery of talent and majority of the decent players end up in the eels system instead of Tigers. The magpies SG ball is pretty poorly run apparently which doesn’t help.

Stone was in our NYC squad for a year. Parra signed him from us

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Gus Gould always says that the best clubs at the top of the ladder develop their own talent. And says the clubs at the bottom who try to buy their way up the ladder will never succeed.


Tim Sheens always said that too. It must be common knowledge in all clubs.
It’s also a part of the Australian culture to be impatient for success. A coach doesn’t have much time to prove himself, and a player needs to go places very quickly. But the club has no such constraints and therefore should not allow this urgency to create panic. The club appears to lack the high level of continuity in management systems and goals which lead to success. The club may even lack the ability to identify its own shortcomings?
Difficult to say without a detailed review of systems and procedures, but you could be forgiven for thinking that we can’t retain our developing players and we can’t recruit recruit experienced with an acceptable level of success.

It's no accident that we had a plethora of junior talent coming through during and after Sheens.

Sheens was the master at recruitment.

I hope Dean Young joins the coaching staff as I feel we have a need to improve the coaching we expose our young players to as they progress through the grades. Our juniors are at a disadvantage as they often need to perform in a team lacking experience and leaders in the NRL.

 

[Needaname]

We’ve had a long history of harnessing the wrong juniors, focusing on one and two players as being the only elite ones. We have been recruiting and retaining ‘footballers’ players with plenty of skills but would sacrifice a bit of size to the opposition. A good example of that was retaining JJ Felise over Junior Tatola. JJ had a bit of an offload and a better motor but Tatola would smash the run meters. Tatola suffered a few injuries so JJ got his debut.
Players like Marshall King, Bailey and Stone stood out to me for the one attribute that we never seem to be concerned about, football smarts.

 

[twentyforty]

Gus Gould always says that the best clubs at the top of the ladder develop their own talent. And says the clubs at the bottom who try to buy their way up the ladder will never succeed.


Tim Sheens always said that too. It must be common knowledge in all clubs.
It’s also a part of the Australian culture to be impatient for success. A coach doesn’t have much time to prove himself, and a player needs to go places very quickly. But the club has no such constraints and therefore should not allow this urgency to create panic. The club appears to lack the high level of continuity in management systems and goals which lead to success. The club may even lack the ability to identify its own shortcomings?
Difficult to say without a detailed review of systems and procedures, but you could be forgiven for thinking that we can’t retain our developing players and we can’t recruit recruit experienced with an acceptable level of success.

It's no accident that we had a plethora of junior talent coming through during and after Sheens.

Sheens was the master at recruitment.

I hope Dean Young joins the coaching staff as I feel we have a need to improve the coaching we expose our young players to as they progress through the grades. Our juniors are at a disadvantage as they often need to perform in a team lacking experience and leaders in the NRL.

I wonder why we sacked Sheens? Was there a reason given?

 

[Needaname]

Gus Gould always says that the best clubs at the top of the ladder develop their own talent. And says the clubs at the bottom who try to buy their way up the ladder will never succeed.


Tim Sheens always said that too. It must be common knowledge in all clubs.
It’s also a part of the Australian culture to be impatient for success. A coach doesn’t have much time to prove himself, and a player needs to go places very quickly. But the club has no such constraints and therefore should not allow this urgency to create panic. The club appears to lack the high level of continuity in management systems and goals which lead to success. The club may even lack the ability to identify its own shortcomings?
Difficult to say without a detailed review of systems and procedures, but you could be forgiven for thinking that we can’t retain our developing players and we can’t recruit recruit experienced with an acceptable level of success.

It's no accident that we had a plethora of junior talent coming through during and after Sheens.

Sheens was the master at recruitment.

I hope Dean Young joins the coaching staff as I feel we have a need to improve the coaching we expose our young players to as they progress through the grades. Our juniors are at a disadvantage as they often need to perform in a team lacking experience and leaders in the NRL.


I wonder why we sacked Sheens? Was there a reason given?

Performance of the top squad.
The club attempted to move him into an overseer role.
Thoughts of Todd Payton moving into an interim role.
Biggest mistake was resigning him the season before.
We are the original bulldogs, we haven’t yet got out of the quagmire I can only imagine how long it will take the Bulldogs.

 

[twentyforty]

Gus Gould always says that the best clubs at the top of the ladder develop their own talent. And says the clubs at the bottom who try to buy their way up the ladder will never succeed.


Tim Sheens always said that too. It must be common knowledge in all clubs.
It’s also a part of the Australian culture to be impatient for success. A coach doesn’t have much time to prove himself, and a player needs to go places very quickly. But the club has no such constraints and therefore should not allow this urgency to create panic. The club appears to lack the high level of continuity in management systems and goals which lead to success. The club may even lack the ability to identify its own shortcomings?
Difficult to say without a detailed review of systems and procedures, but you could be forgiven for thinking that we can’t retain our developing players and we can’t recruit recruit experienced with an acceptable level of success.

It's no accident that we had a plethora of junior talent coming through during and after Sheens.

Sheens was the master at recruitment.

I hope Dean Young joins the coaching staff as I feel we have a need to improve the coaching we expose our young players to as they progress through the grades. Our juniors are at a disadvantage as they often need to perform in a team lacking experience and leaders in the NRL.


I wonder why we sacked Sheens? Was there a reason given?

Performance of the top squad.
The club attempted to move him into an overseer role.
Thoughts of Todd Payton moving into an interim role.
Biggest mistake was resigning him the season before.
We are the original bulldogs, we haven’t yet got out of the quagmire I can only imagine how long it will take the Bulldogs.

We sacked Potter because of “communication issues” with the players? I wonder if that is similar to Madge’s “communication problems” Lara Pitt and Benji want us to believe?

 

[Russell]

Gus Gould always says that the best clubs at the top of the ladder develop their own talent. And says the clubs at the bottom who try to buy their way up the ladder will never succeed.


Tim Sheens always said that too. It must be common knowledge in all clubs.
It’s also a part of the Australian culture to be impatient for success. A coach doesn’t have much time to prove himself, and a player needs to go places very quickly. But the club has no such constraints and therefore should not allow this urgency to create panic. The club appears to lack the high level of continuity in management systems and goals which lead to success. The club may even lack the ability to identify its own shortcomings?
Difficult to say without a detailed review of systems and procedures, but you could be forgiven for thinking that we can’t retain our developing players and we can’t recruit recruit experienced with an acceptable level of success.

It's no accident that we had a plethora of junior talent coming through during and after Sheens.

Sheens was the master at recruitment.

I hope Dean Young joins the coaching staff as I feel we have a need to improve the coaching we expose our young players to as they progress through the grades. Our juniors are at a disadvantage as they often need to perform in a team lacking experience and leaders in the NRL.


I wonder why we sacked Sheens? Was there a reason given?

Performance of the top squad.
The club attempted to move him into an overseer role.
Thoughts of Todd Payton moving into an interim role.
Biggest mistake was resigning him the season before.
We are the original bulldogs, we haven’t yet got out of the quagmire I can only imagine how long it will take the Bulldogs.


We sacked Potter because of “communication issues” with the players? I wonder if that is similar to Madge’s “communication problems” Lara Pitt and Benji want us to believe?

Of course Lara Pitt would know - As said before wouldn't know a football from an egg.

Benji has an agenda against the club now because they won't sign him again.

 

[twentyforty]

Gus Gould always says that the best clubs at the top of the ladder develop their own talent. And says the clubs at the bottom who try to buy their way up the ladder will never succeed.


Tim Sheens always said that too. It must be common knowledge in all clubs.
It’s also a part of the Australian culture to be impatient for success. A coach doesn’t have much time to prove himself, and a player needs to go places very quickly. But the club has no such constraints and therefore should not allow this urgency to create panic. The club appears to lack the high level of continuity in management systems and goals which lead to success. The club may even lack the ability to identify its own shortcomings?
Difficult to say without a detailed review of systems and procedures, but you could be forgiven for thinking that we can’t retain our developing players and we can’t recruit recruit experienced with an acceptable level of success.

It's no accident that we had a plethora of junior talent coming through during and after Sheens.

Sheens was the master at recruitment.

I hope Dean Young joins the coaching staff as I feel we have a need to improve the coaching we expose our young players to as they progress through the grades. Our juniors are at a disadvantage as they often need to perform in a team lacking experience and leaders in the NRL.


I wonder why we sacked Sheens? Was there a reason given?

Performance of the top squad.
The club attempted to move him into an overseer role.
Thoughts of Todd Payton moving into an interim role.
Biggest mistake was resigning him the season before.
We are the original bulldogs, we haven’t yet got out of the quagmire I can only imagine how long it will take the Bulldogs.

So Sheens turns down an offer from the Panthers. Gets re-signed by WT. Then sacked by WT 2 years before his contract expiry, based on the team’s poor showing? In 2012 we finished equal 9th, a target we have not bettered since.
Quite ironic. I think coaches at WT get sacked because someone doesn’t like the way they comb their hair. Now who could be responsible?? MMM?

 

[JC99]

I always thought that failing to win a premiership in the 2010/11 period and to secure a Top 8 position in 2012 - was the catalyst for his sacking - but when you search anything on it, it's more suggestive that the releases of Beau Ryan and Heighington seemed to cause an uproar for players and fans.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/coach-tim-sheens-quits-wests-tigers-after-10-years-in-charge/news-story/308bf1b182db61d6a30a43536d9b7dd8?sv=adb6e246e8027786e176a03248ce4660
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/tim-sheens-keen-to-continue-with-kangaroos-despite-wests-tigers-woes/news-story/23ee37158dbc3539763c288cf48019de

He upset the boys club.... doing that at Wests Tigers is a sure fire way of getting booted. Glad we won’t have to worry about that next season ajd the club is finally backing the coach