AmericanHistoryX
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Isnt Potter the Bellamy of the Super League?
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Bellamy ?
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MacDougall
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Actually Bellamy has had Slater and Smith for his entire coaching career. In his first season he also had prime Matt Orford and a forward pack including Rod Howe, Robbie Kearns, Steven Kearney and David Kidwell. He also had Australian rep Scott Hill. So it's not like Melbourne weren't already talented as hell.
@mtd said:
Im sure others have done some less than scrupolus things over time. But the Storm team looked ridiculously over the cap, and were proven to be systematically cheating, there were all sorts of whispers at lower levels questioning how they kept on gazumping all other parties with more cash, the best examples being Hoffman, Inglis and Cronk who were heavilly in demand from jsut about everyone, and they just paid more for them. Their cheating was far and above anything others have done.
I agree with others, and Bellemy is clearly a good coach, but he has had obvious advantages, which he is still benefiting from. If he goes else where and achieves well good luck to him, he will have proven to all he is a great, until then in my eyes, I will respect him as a good coach but will not be held in the highest echelon of coaches.
But would i have him at the tigers, of course i would.
foreveratiger
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Bellamy is a legend with the clipboard, he will stay loyal to his players down there .
It's not as if Storm aren't going to pay him well. He will get looked after…
It's not as if Storm aren't going to pay him well. He will get looked after…
@Goose said:
bellamy developed and fine tuned the likes of cronk, slater, inglis, smith and hoffman… who's to say they would have been even half the players they are today if it weren't for him. he has played a pivotal role in increasing their market value...
from what i have heard (from reliable circles), the storm are one of a very few teams who are now under the cap (because they are so highly scrutinised). when benny was at the helm of the broncos, im certain there were a number of years they were WELL over the cap - they just weren't caught because they were a bit smarter about how they went about 3rd party payments.. so does this make benny any less of a coach? ofcourse not. nor does it bellamy. he is the best in the nrl at present, which was proved in the clinical performance against the dogs - really, the storm never allowed them in it.. i agree hasler is good, but think bellamy is still better.
@mtd said:
There is no credible sources that could possibly know that most clubs are over the cap. That requires inside info at all the clubs, player managers have some dealings with the clubs, but no one could credibly claim to know that only a few are under the cap.
Your first point is one that I have heard from Storm defenders time and time again and is a load of rubbish.
Inglis, Cronk, Hoffman were amazing standouts and it was clear to any one they would be stars. They didn't spot some kid with talent and mould them. They identified the same blokes that every recruiter in the world could see and paid them the most money. I'd argue that most probably expected more from Hoffman, got exactly what they expected from the likes of Inglis, Cronk and Smith. Im sure that Bellemy developed these players, but to suggest these players would not be stars elsewhere is simply not correct.
Anyone who saw any of the 3 I named at 18 knew they would play for Australia. Plenty of Wests fans on here would have seen Hoffman in the SG Ball side, clear stand out, 2 time Australian Schoolboy that we were so excited about, before the storm offered him a bucketload of cash to head to the storm.
The cap cheating started all the way at that level, Bellemy had substantial advantages to say else wise is folly.
The other one that frustrates me is the perception that the big 3 just rocked up at Brisbane Norths together, they didn't they got them from all over the country and put them at Norths.
TBF Slater was not the same as the others, AFAIK he was not a junior star of the highest order like the others.
Bellemy can coach no doubt, but as I said he had advantages to dismiss them IMO is not right.
How is it rubbish? Different players excel under different coaches. Inglis may have turned into a Daine Laurie under someone like Hasler, Benny or Sheens. Cronk may have been another John Morris and been played at hooker as oppossed to half. Smith may have been played as a halfback. Slater a centre. Different coaches have different perspectives. To completely dismiss bellamys input into their development is wrong.
I accept you have differing opinions about the coaching side of it, but I think your being a bit naive re: salary cap. There is no doubt in my mind broncos were over the cap, but imo it doesnt effect bennet's coaching ability. The fact these high profile players want to play with these coaches speaks volumes. Third party deals are strategically planned, not pulled out of thin air - therefore there are people who are certainly in the know.
I am happy to agree to disagree with you on this one.
I accept you have differing opinions about the coaching side of it, but I think your being a bit naive re: salary cap. There is no doubt in my mind broncos were over the cap, but imo it doesnt effect bennet's coaching ability. The fact these high profile players want to play with these coaches speaks volumes. Third party deals are strategically planned, not pulled out of thin air - therefore there are people who are certainly in the know.
I am happy to agree to disagree with you on this one.
BenjiMagic96
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I would rather have Potter over any name mentioned, firstly he was Super League coach of the year this year and secondly it will be nice to have some fresh ideas from another league not some recycled ones from NRL.
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Who would leave.
In a non league centric city where you can have peace from the spotlight, a culture he has built and players he knows and where there is mutual respect and on great coin
In a non league centric city where you can have peace from the spotlight, a culture he has built and players he knows and where there is mutual respect and on great coin
Glen_McWilliams
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@happy tiger said:
He's got at least 10 years left provided he doesn't blow a gasket in the interim.
He really rides every moment of the game. Must be exhausting.
GNR4LIFE
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Bellamy is the best in the business and a fierce competitor to boot. Theres no way his next contract will be his last
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lidcombe_oval
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Ok so I think Bellamy is a good coach but….....
I don't think he is the best, lets look at his record.
Grand finals prior to the last one all won with a team well over the salary cap.
And while they lost the likes of Inglis & Faluo(sorry about the spelling) he still has the best spine in the game and he has had it for a quite long time. ie
Slater, Cronk, & Smith IMO it is them who make every one around them look like champs, Blair should pay them some of $500k for making him look so good.
My personal preference would be hire a younger coach on much less pay with a new view.
Just my 2 cents.
I don't think he is the best, lets look at his record.
Grand finals prior to the last one all won with a team well over the salary cap.
And while they lost the likes of Inglis & Faluo(sorry about the spelling) he still has the best spine in the game and he has had it for a quite long time. ie
Slater, Cronk, & Smith IMO it is them who make every one around them look like champs, Blair should pay them some of $500k for making him look so good.
My personal preference would be hire a younger coach on much less pay with a new view.
Just my 2 cents.
@Goose said:
The amount of sour grapes delivered with this post is staggering….many, many, many schoolboy stars and promising juniors do not make it to the elite level, let alone become legends within it.
All of those blokes you have named owe their careers to Belly as much as he does to them. He took raw kids and moulded them into superstars. That is a fact.
AmericanHistoryX
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he makes sunshine out of crap.
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AmericanHistoryX
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GNR4LIFE
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Junior Moors will be the most improved player in the comp next yr
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happy_tiger
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@BenjiMagic96 said:
Yeah your right again Bellamy and Hasler are crap coaches Pure genius BenjiMagic96
Wouldn't want them coming within a hundred miles of this place
AmericanHistoryX
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@GNR4LIFE said:
im sorry i must be a year late.
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BenjiMagic96
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@happy tiger said:
Who said anything about Bellamy and Hasler? Did the club show interest in them or did they come out saying they want the job? if they did please let me know!
