Ben Elias warns critics of Wests Tigers five-eighth Mitch Moses the laughs will be on them

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Body line: Wests Tigers' Mitchell Moses (left) does his best to hold back the Rosters' Boyd Cordner. Photo: Getty Images

Balmain great Ben Elias warned critics of his nephew Mitchell Moses, who is finding his feet as the Wests Tigers five-eighth, that the 20-year-old would eventually have the last laugh on them.

Moses, who is listed in the club's media guide as weighing 80 kilograms, has had his defensive game put under the spotlight because rival teams have instructed their bigger men to single him out when they run the ball - as Boyd Cordner did during the Sydney Roosters' 36-4 victory last Friday.

Elias, who played for the Tigers in the 1980s and '90s, was adamant Moses was a star in the making but added he needed more time. "The only way for Mitch is up," Elias said. "He's green at the moment but he's applied himself and is doing the job; putting his body on the line and he's very astute. They're qualities that'll make him a superstar. He's not afraid of challenges and he knows they're targeting him. I'm sure [coach] Jason Taylor would make it obvious to both of his halves that's happening - but Mitchell isn't shirking it, he's accepting the challenge.

"He's working on his defensive technique and those people who are critical of him, well, he's copping a bit of a ribbing at the moment, but he'll be the one having the last laugh."

Moses and halfback Luke Brooks were tipped for greatness before they even made their first grade debuts and while they've produced some magic moments this season, even Taylor recently conceded they were under "too much pressure".

Champion Data statistics noted Moses made 17 tackles against the Roosters, but he missed eight. The pivot insisted he was learning from his initiation. "I have a small frame and I expect the big boys to run at me, so I throw my body at them and do my best," he said. "[People have talked about Cordner] but I just got my body in front and thought I did a pretty good job. There was one chance when he got my outside shoulder and he fell over the line, but I've taken a lot out of that game."

Moses said he didn't find it frustrating to be quizzed about his defensive game but was annoyed to read and hear about it in the media. "They don't really ask me the questions, they just seem to bag me," he said. "It's not too bad, I have a lot of confidence in myself. I throw my body around and I'm pretty confident there."

Wests Tigers forward Curtis Sironen said the scrutiny Moses and Brooks were under after the Roosters defeat was "unfair".

"It wasn't their defensive effort that lost us the game," he said. "They put their bodies on the line and they ripped in. It's 13 blokes on the field - me included - there was a few missed tackles, I was disappointed with myself. They're improving every week and, yeah, the wheels fell off the other night but I don't think they're to blame for that."
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
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Body line: Wests Tigers' Mitchell Moses (left) does his best to hold back the Rosters' Boyd Cordner. Photo: Getty Images

Balmain great Ben Elias warned critics of his nephew Mitchell Moses, who is finding his feet as the Wests Tigers five-eighth, that the 20-year-old would eventually have the last laugh on them.

Moses, who is listed in the club's media guide as weighing 80 kilograms, has had his defensive game put under the spotlight because rival teams have instructed their bigger men to single him out when they run the ball - as Boyd Cordner did during the Sydney Roosters' 36-4 victory last Friday.

Elias, who played for the Tigers in the 1980s and '90s, was adamant Moses was a star in the making but added he needed more time. "The only way for Mitch is up," Elias said. "He's green at the moment but he's applied himself and is doing the job; putting his body on the line and he's very astute. They're qualities that'll make him a superstar. He's not afraid of challenges and he knows they're targeting him. I'm sure [coach] Jason Taylor would make it obvious to both of his halves that's happening - but Mitchell isn't shirking it, he's accepting the challenge.

"He's working on his defensive technique and those people who are critical of him, well, he's copping a bit of a ribbing at the moment, but he'll be the one having the last laugh."

Moses and halfback Luke Brooks were tipped for greatness before they even made their first grade debuts and while they've produced some magic moments this season, even Taylor recently conceded they were under "too much pressure".

Champion Data statistics noted Moses made 17 tackles against the Roosters, but he missed eight. The pivot insisted he was learning from his initiation. "I have a small frame and I expect the big boys to run at me, so I throw my body at them and do my best," he said. "[People have talked about Cordner] but I just got my body in front and thought I did a pretty good job. There was one chance when he got my outside shoulder and he fell over the line, but I've taken a lot out of that game."

Moses said he didn't find it frustrating to be quizzed about his defensive game but was annoyed to read and hear about it in the media. "They don't really ask me the questions, they just seem to bag me," he said. "It's not too bad, I have a lot of confidence in myself. I throw my body around and I'm pretty confident there."

Wests Tigers forward Curtis Sironen said the scrutiny Moses and Brooks were under after the Roosters defeat was "unfair".

**"It wasn't their defensive effort that lost us the game," he said. "They put their bodies on the line and they ripped in. It's 13 blokes on the field - me included - there was a few missed tackles, I was disappointed with myself. They're improving every week and, yeah, the wheels fell off the other night but I don't think they're to blame for that."**

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Its always a nice read when a player realises he is playing crap and is to blame. Just wish he'd actually do something about it.
 
In a prefect world it would have been ideal to blood only one young half rather than having both Brooks and Moses coming into the NRL around the same time. However, it is what it is and given time each of these players will develop into accomplished NRL players. Unfortunately in the interim opposition players will target both Brooks & Moses and attempt to isolate these guys in the defensive line in order to not only try and make a break but also sap their energy so as to limit their effectiveness in attack.
 
Poor Mitchell….only a step or two away from having your mum back you up in the media

Im sure hes really grateful to his moron uncle
 
I don't agree with everything Benny says but i'm 100% confident he is right about Mitchell. It won't be long before we are talking about his attack and not his defence. Has he even played 20 games yet? He is a rookie in a very inexperienced team.

If we don't cut even in possession we are in trouble. If we give up repeat sets close to the line it is almost impossible for a guy who isn't fully develop strength wise and is 80kg to consistently stop dead someone 100kg + running at full pace. He is not shirking the task like Marshall and Prince used to.

Lockyer, Barba etc. were all being hidden at 1 at a similar stage, DCE was playing QLD state cup, Cooper Cronk wasn't heard of, JT was shipped off to NQ for being too small. Terry Lamb would of been playing 3rd grade.
 
oh god, i just read the first line and went "ugh, well there goes a lot of credibility in the article…" with the "critics of HIS NEPHEW...".

i wish they had left that out!!!
 
look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah
 
@TopTiger said:
In a prefect world it would have been ideal to blood only one young half rather than having both Brooks and Moses coming into the NRL around the same time. However, it is what it is and given time each of these players will develop into accomplished NRL players. Unfortunately in the interim opposition players will target both Brooks & Moses and attempt to isolate these guys in the defensive line in order to not only try and make a break but also sap their energy so as to limit their effectiveness in attack.

We had a perfect world in Blake Austin who was contracted for this year and we let him go - Moses could of stayed in NSW cup for one more season and used as a backup for the halves and fullback.
 
@turnstyle said:
look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah

You're right, at that size and weight
, they have to go low in general play. Moses is better there than on the line, but you'd expect that to be the case.
Trouble we have two weaknesses on the line, when most teams may have one, and I can't see that changing.
Good to see Benny talking up Mitchell. That's all he needs, or probably wants.
But then , Benny never tells Porkies , does he?
 
After watching the game last Friday, what i saw from Moses was a player who knows he's under pressure (rightly or wrongly) and is trying soooo hard to make it go away. But It just isn't happening ATM. For one reason or the other he just can't have that breakout game.

I think he just needs that one very good game (like the bulldogs 2014 game) and then he can build off that.

It will come sooner or later and when it does I suspect a lot of people will have egg on their face.
 
I don't think he has been bad at all but I think its too early to state that he is going to be a star. I do think that he will be a good player but its guesswork at the moment.
 
maybe if our two most experienced players didn't make crucial mistakes and our forward pack matched it with them we wouldnt be talking about Moses this week
 
@turnstyle said:
look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah

Turny,I can't agree more with you about tackling around the legs "they can't run without legs"was what I was taught when I was playing..it really peeves me off to watch a game,any game for that matter and see 3/4 defenders up high from the waist to the shoulders to stop the offload while the runner is still walking forward another 10/12 metres before the held call…I would have a tackler around the legs and one ball and all over the top..but then again it's a whole new ball game I suppose... :frowning:
 
@TrueTiger said:
@turnstyle said:
look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah

Turny,I can't agree more with you about tackling around the legs "they can't run without legs"was what I was taught when I was playing..it really peeves me off to watch a game,any game for that matter and see 3/4 defenders up high from the waist to the shoulders to stop the offload while the runner is still walking forward another 10/12 metres before the held call…I would have a tackler around the legs and one ball and all over the top..but then again it's a whole new ball game I suppose... :frowning:

i know!!! it drives me insane! even if there isnt someone to wrap up the ball, a smaller guy can still get a big guy to the ground and you cant offload then….

i really just dont understand what these kids are being told. i was told exactly the same as you re the legs. maybe they all just think they are way bigger than they really are?!!! :laughing:
 
@Tony33 said:
After watching the game last Friday, what i saw from Moses was a player who knows he's under pressure (rightly or wrongly) and is trying soooo hard to make it go away. But It just isn't happening ATM. For one reason or the other he just can't have that breakout game.

I think he just needs that one very good game (like the bulldogs 2014 game) and then he can build off that.

It will come sooner or later and when it does I suspect a lot of people will have egg on their face.

stop making sense Tony!!! :laughing:
 
The whole cant run without legs doesnt work in the modern game for 2 reasons. Firstly the offload is the most effective tool to break down modern defense patterns, but more importantly, a text book leg tackle ensures a quick play the ball.
You are much better off bouncing of a few than going around the legs all day.

Im from the era where I grew up tackling around the legs was the go, but it has changed.
 
Well said Goose.
I thought Moses actually did a really good job against Cordner. Like someone else said he's definitely not shirking he defensive responsibility and seems to be seeking out contact first rather than waiting and hoping for help.
He's a small bloke, and with modern structures they'll find a way to get him one on one, but he's doing an exceptional job defensively at this point in his career.

I still think a back row of Sue and Sita would alleviate a lot of our problems.

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