Ben Elias warns critics of Wests Tigers five-eighth Mitch Moses the laughs will be on them

[Goose]

Sita cant tackle, so that is not the option.
The rest I agree with Moses defends ok, a few weeks ago he was the statistically the best defending half.

 

[VanillaThunder]

He can't tackle, but he can hit, and one or two big ones might divert traffic for a little while.
The other option is Halatau, but at the very least we need Sita on the bench. He has too much X-factor in a position we lack to be playing Mr. Fix It in reserve grade.

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[VanillaThunder]

Especially with Liolevave and Funaki under performing/a few years off.

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[Sabre]

I'm sure most of his critics would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Goose]

He can't tackle, but he can hit, and one or two big ones might divert traffic for a little while.
The other option is Halatau, but at the very least we need Sita on the bench. He has too much X-factor in a position we lack to be playing Mr. Fix It in reserve grade.

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My view on Akoula is exactly what the club is doing, NSW cup impact/fill in.

He is well behind the guys we have playing, Santi, Lamar and Funaki IMO.

 

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

Good on ya uncle Benny. Let the kid stand on his own feet.

 

[Snake]

Message for Mr Siro ..worry about your input into this team as if it does not improve you might be getting acquainted with Moltz and his mates!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

After watching the game last Friday, what i saw from Moses was a player who knows he's under pressure (rightly or wrongly) and is trying soooo hard to make it go away. But It just isn't happening ATM. For one reason or the other he just can't have that breakout game.

I think he just needs that one very good game (like the bulldogs 2014 game) and then he can build off that.

It will come sooner or later and when it does I suspect a lot of people will have egg on their face.

If it doesn't though, will the people who are talking him up have egg on their faces?

 

[TurnStyle]

The whole cant run without legs doesnt work in the modern game for 2 reasons. Firstly the offload is the most effective tool to break down modern defense patterns, but more importantly, a text book leg tackle ensures a quick play the ball.
You are much better off bouncing of a few than going around the legs all day.

Im from the era where I grew up tackling around the legs was the go, but it has changed.

i know the offload is a massive advantage in the modern game and when i played we were also allowed to "turtle" a tackled player onto their back (15 years since i played - im such a geezer!!). i dont think youre allowed to do this any more are you? not sure, but if so then this does allow for a quick play the ball so i understand why kids wouldnt be taught to tackle the way we were.

but still, to negate an offload you only have to get them on the ground.

guess its just a case where things have changed and the people coaching and playing know what theyre doing more than i do, but still hard to watch when it seemed to work pretty well for me.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah

Turny,I can't agree more with you about tackling around the legs "they can't run without legs"was what I was taught when I was playing..it really peeves me off to watch a game,any game for that matter and see 3/4 defenders up high from the waist to the shoulders to stop the offload while the runner is still walking forward another 10/12 metres before the held call…I would have a tackler around the legs and one ball and all over the top..but then again it's a whole new ball game I suppose... :frowning:

Smaller guys still have to go low a lot in general play .
But low tackles mostly don't get rewarded , so you rarely see the average , or bigger guys go low. A low tackle can allow the tackled player to get a quick play the ball , and makes it hard to get numbers in to the tackle. Coaches don't want to see tackles that put the player on the ground quickly. The first tackler is to stop him and hold him up so that two or more tacklers can get into the tackle and then, when they finally get him on the ground, peel off him one at a time . Giving the defence time to reset.
It's all about slowing up the game and it's ridiculous

 

[TurnStyle]

Smaller guys still have to go low a lot in general play .
But low tackles mostly don't get rewarded , so you rarely see the average , or bigger guys go low. A low tackle can allow the tackled player to get a quick play the ball , and makes it hard to get numbers in to the tackle. Coaches don't want to see tackles that put the player on the ground quickly. The first tackler is to stop him and hold him up so that two or more tacklers can get into the tackle and then, when they finally get him on the ground, peel off him one at a time . Giving the defence time to reset.
It's all about slowing up the game and it's ridiculous

thanks GCT.

i understand now, so hopefully wont get as frustrated!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Smaller guys still have to go low a lot in general play .
But low tackles mostly don't get rewarded , so you rarely see the average , or bigger guys go low. A low tackle can allow the tackled player to get a quick play the ball , and makes it hard to get numbers in to the tackle. Coaches don't want to see tackles that put the player on the ground quickly. The first tackler is to stop him , lock the ball up,and hold him up so that two or more tacklers can get into the tackle and then, when they finally get him on the ground, peel off him one at a time . Giving the defence time to reset.
It's all about slowing up the game and it's ridiculous

thanks GCT.

i understand now, so hopefully wont get as frustrated!

Sorry Goose, I didn't see your previous post about This subject.

 

[Tigerdon]

look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah

Turny,I can't agree more with you about tackling around the legs "they can't run without legs"was what I was taught when I was playing..it really peeves me off to watch a game,any game for that matter and see 3/4 defenders up high from the waist to the shoulders to stop the offload while the runner is still walking forward another 10/12 metres before the held call…I would have a tackler around the legs and one ball and all over the top..but then again it's a whole new ball game I suppose... :frowning:

I had exactly the same reaction watching the Roosters game. We need someone to go in low around the legs to stop there go forward. They did it to us quite well.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

look, there is not much more he can do when defending on his line. but one thing i never understand, having been around his size when i was playing is why tackle a big guy up high in general play?!!!

only other big guys can do this to try to stop an offload. i only ever went around the hips/thighs and just dont understand why the smaller guys dont do this?

i think this is about the 163rd time i have asked this question on this forum… :blah

Turny,I can't agree more with you about tackling around the legs "they can't run without legs"was what I was taught when I was playing..it really peeves me off to watch a game,any game for that matter and see 3/4 defenders up high from the waist to the shoulders to stop the offload while the runner is still walking forward another 10/12 metres before the held call…I would have a tackler around the legs and one ball and all over the top..but then again it's a whole new ball game I suppose... :frowning:

Smaller guys still have to go low a lot in general play .
But low tackles mostly don't get rewarded , so you rarely see the average , or bigger guys go low. A low tackle can allow the tackled player to get a quick play the ball , and makes it hard to get numbers in to the tackle. Coaches don't want to see tackles that put the player on the ground quickly. The first tackler is to stop him and lock the ball u p and if possible hold him up so that two or more tacklers can get into the tackle and then, when they finally get him on the ground, peel off him one at a time . Giving the defence time to reset.
It's all about slowing up the game and it's ridiculous

 

[foreveratiger]

Talk about his Uncle adding extra pressure on the kid , calling him a star in the making :blah :blah :blah .
Yeah he may well become a very good 1st Grader one Day ? but a Star in the making i disagree .

Go and watch the 1st 10 Games of 1st Grade of players such as Freddy Fittler , Israel Folau , Greg Inglis and that is the real definition of a Star in the making .

Big difference from a very good 1st Grader to a Star IMO .

 

[Geo]

Elias is doing Moses no favours…I wish he would just shut his mouth and move to Perth full-time never to be heard from again...

 

[Tim Sheens]

The photo from the article does all the talking for mine, so uncle Benny should just STFU.

Giving up about thirty percent of his body weight, a forearm aimed firmly at his cheek, yet Mitchell still hits a SOO edge forward in Cordner with enough venom that his sweat sprays off. Love that sort of effort, so tick from me.

 

[TurnStyle]

Smaller guys still have to go low a lot in general play .
But low tackles mostly don't get rewarded , so you rarely see the average , or bigger guys go low. A low tackle can allow the tackled player to get a quick play the ball , and makes it hard to get numbers in to the tackle. Coaches don't want to see tackles that put the player on the ground quickly. The first tackler is to stop him , lock the ball up,and hold him up so that two or more tacklers can get into the tackle and then, when they finally get him on the ground, peel off him one at a time . Giving the defence time to reset.
It's all about slowing up the game and it's ridiculous

thanks GCT.

i understand now, so hopefully wont get as frustrated!

Sorry Goose, I didn't see your previous post about This subject.

was still a really good post though.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I've never seen so much fuss made over a 5/8's defense like there is for this kid. If defense is the strongest attribute a 5/8 has then he has issues.

 

[Russell]

I don't think he has been bad at all but I think its too early to state that he is going to be a star. I do think that he will be a good player but its guesswork at the moment.

I don't think it's too early.

Mitchell is going to be a star.

Doesn't seem to be too early for some on here to say he's a dud.

Why not the reverse?