Ben Ikin already did the review

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I don't have a problem with the purchasing policy. I would like to see us open the purse strings for the right player but am yet to see that player as a possibility.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Fair points, although I think it's fair to say he would not engage in that behaviour again. I think the NRL and ASADA would be stringently testing any club he would be allowed to coach going forward. There'd be piss tests every week for his squad.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Look at Johnny Mannah. Flanagan is scum.

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

I don’t have enough information to know whether that is in fact true. But I know what we were before he got here. We had Mbye and Reynolds because we couldn’t get Widdop or Johnson. We had Packer because he’s the best we could get. I asked “the boss” why we can’t attract elite players and he failed to answer the question.

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Fair points, although I think it's fair to say he would not engage in that behaviour again. I think the NRL and ASADA would be stringently testing any club he would be allowed to coach going forward. There'd be piss tests every week for his squad.

Yeah I just don’t think he should get a second chance after risking the health of players in the way he did. His 1st responsibility should be to the health and welfare of his players and I would be disappointed if we made a decision to put players under his care.

I know a lot won't agree with me and that is ok. I am just pretty rigid on that stance.

 

[TigerWest]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I don't have a problem with the purchasing policy. I would like to see us **open the purse strings** for the right player but am yet to see that player as a possibility.

That is what I meant.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Fair points, although I think it's fair to say he would not engage in that behaviour again. I think the NRL and ASADA would be stringently testing any club he would be allowed to coach going forward. There'd be piss tests every week for his squad.

Yeah I just don’t think he should get a second chance after risking the health of players in the way he did. His 1st responsibility should be to the health and welfare of his players and I would be disappointed if we made a decision to put players under his care.

I know a lot won't agree with me and that is ok. I am just pretty rigid on that stance.

As I said, fair points. I guess I am just desperate now. I could argue the players don't care about the welfare of the fans lol...

 

[KingRobbie]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

What are the 'issues' Tamou mentioned to the comms team?

 

[TigerWest]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

 

[rustycage]

Did Ikin predict Broncos bottom 4? Genuine question.

 

[rustycage]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

 

[KingRobbie]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

 

[rustycage]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

He did after x number of years but I accept views differ on what he can deliver.

 

[KingRobbie]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

 

[rustycage]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

 

[Telltails]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

So you have faith in the playing group to make that call? "Other players don't want to come because of Maguire" is that what they told you? A look in the mirror might be a good idea.
Until they have achieved something they should probably be aiming for that, rather than trying to destroy someone else's and deflecting blame.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

'Extreme' WH&S issues?