Ben Ikin already did the review

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

Are Brad Clyde and Mel Meninga still throwing steel around?

No better options available

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Oporto is probably worse than peptides

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Oporto is probably worse than peptides

They don't even know what they were injected with. Flanagan should have got life.

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Oporto is probably worse than peptides

They don't even know what they were injected with. Flanagan should have got life.

Sorry couldn’t help myself. Nobody ever said the nrl was a moral place though mate. Footy clubs are a place of self interest and ego.

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Oporto is probably worse than peptides

They don't even know what they were injected with. Flanagan should have got life.

Sorry couldn’t help myself. Nobody ever said the nrl was a moral place though mate. Footy clubs are a place of self interest and ego.

And apparently injecting players with unknown substances and risking their health

 

[Papacito]

The forum needs a bit of a reality check.

Not to sound like a smart arse, but I got flamed pretty heavy pre-season (along with others) for saying our roster was worse than 2020 and we'd finished around 12th.

Where we finished wasn't a surprise but what's worrying is that there's no obvious way out of it.

We can't recruit decent talent (to be fair, it's hard for all clubs under a salary cap system) and we don't spend enough on a development program to sign up and comers.

I could well be wrong, but it seems like our pursuit to be successful commercially has come at the cost of developing talent.

A good review will try and solve some of these systemic issues although if it's fair dinkum, it will likely make some recommendations that aren't aligned with the ideology and current direction of the board and management.

 

[Geo]

No one seemed to bat an eye when we employed Gray from the Sharpies who was front and centre under Flanagan..just sayin..

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

I would sign Flanagan. Was sternly against it in the past but I am at the point now where I couldn't care less if the club signed the head of the Taliban, along as they are an established coach with results. The rot ***HAS*** to stop.

Cheats seem to prosper in this game, may as well get in on the grift.

Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know what my reaction would be, but I would have trouble enjoying any success that came while he was coach.

I don't care any more. We are not enjoying any success at the moment.

Melbourne players and fans still tell you that they won 07 and 09. Canterbury won 04 on the back of an illegally built team.

There's not asterisk above Cronulla's 2016 win. Easts cap management never seems to get called in for serious scrutiny.

Nice guys finish last in the NRL, or 9th-15th in our case.

That is ok, I will always put the welfare of the young people we have at the club over being successful. Flanagan can not be trusted with ensuring the welfare of these people so shouldn't be involved in the game.

Oporto is probably worse than peptides

They don't even know what they were injected with. Flanagan should have got life.

Sorry couldn’t help myself. Nobody ever said the nrl was a moral place though mate. Footy clubs are a place of self interest and ego.

And apparently injecting players with unknown substances and risking their health

Every second young person puts unknown substances inside them. It’s not right but Let’s not pretend we live in world that’s free of this stuff.

 

[BZN]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

 

[BAGNF05]

'Extreme' WH&S issues?

Steps too far apart in demountables?

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

I just don’t see Sheens in that role, if he wants to be caretaker thats cool but my understanding is he had planned to come back and reside more in the country than city fulltime hence Bennet. I don’t think we get someone like Ciraldo without a very big carrot to cleanup a mess & pulling power to then set him up.

I think Ciraldo is unlikely

We have zero chance, no rookie would come here if they had half a brain unless there was a clear support structure in place.

Whoever comes here better have a back up career in mind.

 

[hank37w]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

Bennett is available
Add in someone like Ciraldo for Bennet to hand the reigns over which he does often and could be the right way forward.

We need someone who can manage the players and get us playing as a team for each other. Madge doesn’t coach that way.

I have concerns about Bennett that I already raised so won't rehash that lol

So do I, he is a win now and sometimes at all costs.
He would probably only come for 1 maybe 2 seasons max. He does attract players to clubs always has and he does know how to coach players to play as a team. If we could get Ciraldo as his apprentice then it would be worth it as he can coach & has direct detailed knowledge of the Panthers and other pathways systems.

If we want to be a youth team in a few years getting a figure head like Bennet and Sheens is throwing everything at us changing - if those 2 can’t do it no one can.

My ideal scenario would be Sheens and Ciraldo

Ciraldo/ or morris and im a happy bloke

In reality we will get Geoff Toovey ???

We are already having an investigation.

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

The year proved that without doubt, we don't have the squad to win more than we lost. i'm of the firm belief that again, we got very few favours onfield from referees. There's got to be a change in personnel to end up with a team that can overcome adversity during a game. Our blokes time and time again went to water. I can't blame the coach for that. It's been made very clear that the future is youth. We always say bring our own through. paradoxically, we don't want to wait until they're ready. We call for youth - now, and blame the coach when they fail. We sack (or lose) coaches and turn over rosters - re-build after re-build and endlessly wish for the cycle to end and then call for the coaches head when the plan we all want is in place but we can't hack the journey. I think as fans, we're much like the team. No stickability. We want a short cut. Good luck with that.

I don't disagree with that, I" think it also proved we don't have a coach who is able to get the best out of the players at his disposal and willing to cast blame onto others to deflect it from himself. The players act in the same way.

What if that is their best? I heard him all season saying we have to be more resilient. I thought he was quite determined to own the results. I don't know. I just want stability in the leadership. Seems now if the coach is sacked, we're back to either the players running the show, or the crappy board making crappy excuses until the next few years passes and we'll go through it all again.

When he got here he said he could win with the squad we had, since mid season he has been blaming the squad he inherited.

Seriously, whats he gonna say? No we can't win with these blokes. I don't believe in their ability. We have to make wholesale changes to the squad.

The way I see it, is he's pushing on and moving players on as he can, bringing through youngsters and trying not to rush them. Some purchases haven't worked out. Some have and some are a work in progress. Seems like a sound business model but it's a process that has to be gone through.

We can’t move a player on to save ourselves. This is where uncle Nick is winning. Between shafting kids like Flanno and medically retiring anyone with a headache, he’s got it worked out. We pay blokes to water the receptionists flowers.

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

Are Brad Clyde and Mel Meninga still throwing steel around?

No better options available

Left field idea. Can we use Lee’s legal expertise to guarantee the new coach is bringing in a couple of elite players? Unless you have a commitment from some targeted players we actually want then you’re no good to us. Won’t happen but just tossing up ideas.

 

[BZN]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

The year proved that without doubt, we don't have the squad to win more than we lost. i'm of the firm belief that again, we got very few favours onfield from referees. There's got to be a change in personnel to end up with a team that can overcome adversity during a game. Our blokes time and time again went to water. I can't blame the coach for that. It's been made very clear that the future is youth. We always say bring our own through. paradoxically, we don't want to wait until they're ready. We call for youth - now, and blame the coach when they fail. We sack (or lose) coaches and turn over rosters - re-build after re-build and endlessly wish for the cycle to end and then call for the coaches head when the plan we all want is in place but we can't hack the journey. I think as fans, we're much like the team. No stickability. We want a short cut. Good luck with that.

I don't disagree with that, I" think it also proved we don't have a coach who is able to get the best out of the players at his disposal and willing to cast blame onto others to deflect it from himself. The players act in the same way.

What if that is their best? I heard him all season saying we have to be more resilient. I thought he was quite determined to own the results. I don't know. I just want stability in the leadership. Seems now if the coach is sacked, we're back to either the players running the show, or the crappy board making crappy excuses until the next few years passes and we'll go through it all again.

When he got here he said he could win with the squad we had, since mid season he has been blaming the squad he inherited.

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Does anyone know exactly how the conversation went when Madge applied for the job as Our Coach?
As Rusty said 'of course he will say he can win with this squad'.
That's called positive thinking and self confidence in the job you believe you can do.
If the players cant handle and or learn from Madge, we've got the wrong players.

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Egg shells can be sharp

 

[WT2K]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

No thanks. He's done as a coach. He should not be anywhere near coaching ranks.

We need something that shifts the needle for this club and I do not see it coming from anywhere else

I would rather Flanagan and his needles here than Sheens in the coaches box again. He hasn't coached NRL for a decade, his last coaching stint was with Hull KR a few seasons back for a couple of years and he finished with 41% win rate. He hasn't got it any more.

The lack of options is what has had me most concerned about removing Madge, but it has got to the point where there are no other options and he has to go. I know it is stretching it with Sheens, but the system I would like to set up is Sheens with (in my ideal scenario) someone like Ciraldo slowly taking over in a 24 month period. I just not happy to dump a rookie in and have him have to deal with this club.

I just don't see a lot of better options out there.

But don’t you think player efforts and attitudes are part of the problem?

Have we got the mix right, it appears to me, we haven’t?

Certainly agree with the youth policy, but some “good” experience amongst them, was/is needed? I think you said earlier, that they were looking 100+ game players, hopefully we have identified them?

Unfortunately the captain we brought in, hasn’t worked?

I agree that the players are part of the problem, but I also don't like how madge has changed his messaging on that as well. When he got the job he stated he could win with the squad given to him. He now uses that squad as an excuse for him not meeting that goal. He has but himself in opposition to the players and there is no return from there.

Worked for Ricky Stuart when he came out and said, until I get rep quality players this club will continue to be what it is. Club listened, GF 2 years later.

And what if one of the prime reasons you can not attract players of that quality is the coach?

Is it only the coach or our purchasing policy?

I mentioned about a month ago that he's lost our players and they want him out. Other players don't want to come because of Madge. There's some stuff that will probably come out in the media eventually in the years after he's gone that will explain why this is further.

Do you know this for fact or just supposing?

From what you stating, player power is back in control?

Fact.

I agree with most that the culprits we all suspect (Pascoe, board etc.) are significantly contributing to the culture problem but Madge doesn't help himself.

Extreme health and safety issues to the players this season and that's just a few instances I know of, I'm not there on a daily basis. And no, not just "he trains them too hard". It'll probably come out in the media at some stage eventually as I said.

Sounds like you're re-hashing Mattersons gripes.

You'll agree with me when it comes out in the media I guarantee you. It's pretty bad.

Ok...i'll wait

I wont wait @Rusty_Cage ...when will it come out and in what media @KingRobbie .
Just sounds like another case of player power gone mad to me.

Egg shells can be sharp

And the yolks slippery

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

Are Brad Clyde and Mel Meninga still throwing steel around?

No better options available

Left field idea. Can we use Lee’s legal expertise to guarantee the new coach is bringing in a couple of elite players? Unless you have a commitment from some targeted players we actually want then you’re no good to us. Won’t happen but just tossing up ideas.

I don't think you would be able to do that.

 

[cochise]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

I think a lot of people have far too much faith in Tim Sheens personally. He got ditched too remember.

I agree, but there is not a lot out there that will have a high chance of success.

I have been back and forth in my mind about Madge all year. The reason for this is when we make change I wanted to be confident of the success of that change. In my view alll a coaching change was going to do was provide some hope that things will get better. After 10 years I want more than hope, I want confidence. I always had a small hope that Madge would turn it around, after the past month, that hope is gone in my mind.

So at this point I can not see an option out there that we provide me with confidence that the future will be better, I will accept a chance of direction to provide hope for the future, because of right now I have none with madge.

The year proved that without doubt, we don't have the squad to win more than we lost. i'm of the firm belief that again, we got very few favours onfield from referees. There's got to be a change in personnel to end up with a team that can overcome adversity during a game. Our blokes time and time again went to water. I can't blame the coach for that. It's been made very clear that the future is youth. We always say bring our own through. paradoxically, we don't want to wait until they're ready. We call for youth - now, and blame the coach when they fail. We sack (or lose) coaches and turn over rosters - re-build after re-build and endlessly wish for the cycle to end and then call for the coaches head when the plan we all want is in place but we can't hack the journey. I think as fans, we're much like the team. No stickability. We want a short cut. Good luck with that.

I don't disagree with that, I" think it also proved we don't have a coach who is able to get the best out of the players at his disposal and willing to cast blame onto others to deflect it from himself. The players act in the same way.

What if that is their best? I heard him all season saying we have to be more resilient. I thought he was quite determined to own the results. I don't know. I just want stability in the leadership. Seems now if the coach is sacked, we're back to either the players running the show, or the crappy board making crappy excuses until the next few years passes and we'll go through it all again.

When he got here he said he could win with the squad we had, since mid season he has been blaming the squad he inherited.

Does anyone know exactly how the conversation went when Madge applied for the job as Our Coach?
As Rusty said 'of course he will say he can win with this squad'.
That's called positive thinking and self confidence in the job you believe you can do.
If the players cant handle and or learn from Madge, we've got the wrong players.

I spent most of my adult life working in education, more often than not I would say when someone can not learn, then they have the wrong teacher.

 

[BAGNF05]

I won’t denigrate our playing group by calling them weak or princesses.


You must be watching a different team to the one i have been watching

I see an opportunity for the right coach to take this group forward onto better results. To do so, I would like a new coach to have the following attributes -

a noted person manager
very good interpersonal skills
great comms skills
a strategic approach
an ability to sum up the strengths of the squad
an ability to devise game plans around those strengths
a cuddle or fatherly talk for those players who need it

So you think Sheens will fix it?

We need a new coach. Sheens is not coming to be a coach but I hope he has a mentoring role at the club. Sheens is a huge asset and wealth of knowledge.

To be honest, and I thought I would never say this, I would take Sheens with a very clear succession plan in place where he trains up his replacement.

Are Brad Clyde and Mel Meninga still throwing steel around?

No better options available

Left field idea. Can we use Lee’s legal expertise to guarantee the new coach is bringing in a couple of elite players? Unless you have a commitment from some targeted players we actually want then you’re no good to us. Won’t happen but just tossing up ideas.

I don't think you would be able to do that.

I didn’t think so. Another rule we will not bend.