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jinu84
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@innsaneink said:
Where did you hear this?
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Where did you hear this?
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supercoach
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Three more years of Benji with the security of a signed big juicy contract is a big worry to me. The guy is struggling for form and has been for a long time,so with a contract for another three years I cant see how things can better.Lets hope if he has indeed resigned their are lots of KPI's for Benji to meet other wise this contract will end like many others in tigertown,being shopped around midterm
innsaneink
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@jinu84 said:
Radio 2KY Sports Sunday this morning
Black_n_White
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Im not normally up for the crap, but before a leichardt game they will announce a singing of a long term deal, otherwise a decent promotion… Ink isnt making it up. The club puts alot more effort into the big papers before a Leichardt game than for Campelltown, thats just reality. Anyone serious about the Club as a whole can see they are playing one step child before the other.
Problem is Balmain will eventually fold, they have to, and the supporter base seemingly entitled wont travel. It is an exercise in futility. Best bet is to hedge our bets, dont fold to the big venues, work for big local grudge matches at both our hearts and let the bigger venues fight for the scraps.
Problem is Balmain will eventually fold, they have to, and the supporter base seemingly entitled wont travel. It is an exercise in futility. Best bet is to hedge our bets, dont fold to the big venues, work for big local grudge matches at both our hearts and let the bigger venues fight for the scraps.
I've been thinking a little about the situation lately regarding Benji and i'm not so sure that re-signing him isn't a good thing. It's plain obvious that Benji had more sway at the club under Sheens. However Potter has come in and rocked his boat big time. Benji's form itself has only worsened this season. He's now faced with a decision that wiil cement his future, either here or away from here.
The talk seems to be that Benji will stay. At the same time this week the club has come out and stated they are going through a culture shift at the club. Make of that what you want, but i believe this is a little stab at the culture at the club that did exist. The kind that saw Benji basically reign supreme. Weather or not Benji meant this is irrelevant, he had more sway than he should've. Now we hear that Benji is likely to stay put. This should be a good thing for the club and us fans. Why? Because it would show that Benji is willing to buy in to this new culture. The one that Potter, Mayer and whoever chooses to buy in to. With it, i think we'll see his form pick up because a more unified club is a happy club and more likely to achieve success.
The talk seems to be that Benji will stay. At the same time this week the club has come out and stated they are going through a culture shift at the club. Make of that what you want, but i believe this is a little stab at the culture at the club that did exist. The kind that saw Benji basically reign supreme. Weather or not Benji meant this is irrelevant, he had more sway than he should've. Now we hear that Benji is likely to stay put. This should be a good thing for the club and us fans. Why? Because it would show that Benji is willing to buy in to this new culture. The one that Potter, Mayer and whoever chooses to buy in to. With it, i think we'll see his form pick up because a more unified club is a happy club and more likely to achieve success.
cqtiger
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@Black'n'White said:
Oh please, let's just drag it out for another 10 days for a Campbelltown announcement instead of the week that Benji actually agrees to it.
Those front office conspiracy buggers have done it again
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The_Phantom
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@Black'n'White said:
RUBBISH. !!!!!
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Black_n_White
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Hahahahaha… call me out on it, put your accounts on the line, I will mine!
One weeks major papers prior to Campelltown vs. Leichardt. Lets go.
Quote this and reply as acceptance. Put it on the line if you are so sure. its not rocket science, not hard to prove, lets rock.
One weeks major papers prior to Campelltown vs. Leichardt. Lets go.
Quote this and reply as acceptance. Put it on the line if you are so sure. its not rocket science, not hard to prove, lets rock.
Black_n_White
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You think its a coincedence that both major signings for the club werent singed on away games, let alone home games at either of our other 2 known home grounds? Step into the professional world, all angles are covered. If Leichardt continues to choke, Balmain are hanging with dodos.
You think the club doesnt organise these matters to co-incide with home games? Kid yourself! Which home games… proof is in the pudding!
You think the club doesnt organise these matters to co-incide with home games? Kid yourself! Which home games… proof is in the pudding!
Coastie_Tiger
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@Black'n'White said:
I agree they would try and coincide a big announcement for a home game it's only smart but delaying an announcement for a liechhardt game is ludicrous ever heard of coincidence ?
If people are that he'll bent on this theory why not put it to the CEO he is on twitter answers questions on here call him and the management out on it, just a thought.
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jinu84
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@happy tiger said:
Agree with you here. In the corporate sales world staff have a base salary plus on target earnings if they meet their quotas. This obviously helps motivate people to sell. Wests Tigers is also still a business at the end of the day so why cant we make these players work for their money.
And if your thinking you can't compare this to sport well wasn't Mick Potter offered a heavily incentive performance based salary package?
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system
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How do you measure individual performance in a team sport? Pay a guy by the tackle? Metres gained?
So if the 5/8 is off his game and the back line doesn't get a touch they eat mince all week?
All you would do is have 13 guys in the paddock out for themselves.
This wouldn't work and no one would sign such a contract.
So every signing is a good faith deal and a gamble. Some don't pay off, but that's the risk clubs take.
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So if the 5/8 is off his game and the back line doesn't get a touch they eat mince all week?
All you would do is have 13 guys in the paddock out for themselves.
This wouldn't work and no one would sign such a contract.
So every signing is a good faith deal and a gamble. Some don't pay off, but that's the risk clubs take.
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The problem with the argument for early contract termination provisions is that player contracts aren't drafted that way as a matter of custom. It might sound like a simple solution to include a termination provision for poor performance in a players contract when we sign him, but other teams don't have them. That means it would be next to impossible to attract worthwhile players because, in reality, a good portion fail to reach expectations and would factor the risk into their decision of which club to play for.
The best incentive to make players play well is for their positions to be threatened if they don't perform. A player who is dropped to NSW cup might still get paid while they have a contract, but they aren't a very attractive proposition thereafter, and their asking price and hence earning capacity plummets.
I see it as an issue of recruiting the right type of player in the first place and then managing, developing and coaching them well. In the past, we have made mistakes by:
1\. Recruiting the wrong players
2\. Those players regressing while at the Tigers
3\. Not punishing consistently poor performance.
Get the above things right and you can forget about trying to find ways of optimising a players contract to provide illusory legal protection for the club.
The best incentive to make players play well is for their positions to be threatened if they don't perform. A player who is dropped to NSW cup might still get paid while they have a contract, but they aren't a very attractive proposition thereafter, and their asking price and hence earning capacity plummets.
I see it as an issue of recruiting the right type of player in the first place and then managing, developing and coaching them well. In the past, we have made mistakes by:
1\. Recruiting the wrong players
2\. Those players regressing while at the Tigers
3\. Not punishing consistently poor performance.
Get the above things right and you can forget about trying to find ways of optimising a players contract to provide illusory legal protection for the club.
larrycorowa
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This Tauber bloke is a peanut
bigsiro
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@happy tiger said:
I agree with you about injecting some KPI's around future contracts but that is probably not the real point here as it is not the contract Benji originally signed, the one we are obliged to honour. As far as we have been told, it only contained references to upgrades/extensions and made no reference to KPIs. _I don't know if this is true - I am just assuming (as we all are)._
In "realitytown" if there is an existing employment contract which does not contain any terms re KPI's and the employer attempts to rescind the contract simply due to disappointment in performance then in that case the employer is liable and probably should have had more foresight when his legal team drafted the agreement. For reference see the Sheens arrangement.
Back to the point: Benji can certainly play better (we hope) but it is hardly his fault if his employer hands him a contract which totally disregards his level of play and turns him into a protected species. Maybe we should be sticking it to the management/legal team rather than Benji as I think we all agree that some of the past contracts have been a bit dubious and that future contracts with key personnel should probably contain clauses that include KPI's.
All i know is that Mayer plans to meet with Benji and Tauber early this week. Anything else that gets said is all speculation. We've had Benji to the Warriors, Blues, Wharatahs, France, Japan, Broncos. Heck, he can replace Ed Cowan at number 3 in the ashes. In others words…..i'll wait till its official.
