BRET team to play Wentworthville in trial

[system]

It is a strong looking squad no doubt but there will be some big decisions to be made in regards to a full playing squad for this season. Considering there are still players to filter back into the WT side and therefore players that have to be slotted in to State Cup it would stand to reason that after taking the 20's players back to the NYC comp there will still be a surplus of players. Rather than those players going into a rotation system or playing A grade it would make sense for some players to end up at the Magpies from a development perspective.

The system used last year had some successes no doubt and both teams did extremely well. Alot of quality BRET players from last season will be turning out for other clubs this coming season which is a difficult thing as a supporter of that side but really the Bulldogs are the standard in the State Cup for a reason, the fact that all their players are concentrated into one system and feeder team is of great benefit to their club and the player group. This is the standard by which we should seek to measure ourselves.

It is still a ffeling of immense pride for me to watch Balmain district juniors I have watched through Matts and Ball come through the system as I am sure it is for those who watch the Western Suburbs district junior reps and that will always be there as the base of the club that has been built at the NRL level.

I do hope that sooner rather than later we can run a united Wests Tigers State Cup side under the Wests Tigers banner as it makes sense. Now we have the systems where players come out of junior reps and into the NYC team under the WT banner. After this they either go to the NRL squad and/or fracture out into two seperate teams with different coaching styles with a level of autonomy that cannot be condusive to preparing for a NRL shot.

Anyway on the topic of tonights games I hope to read some reports on how the two State Cup squads go in their first real hitout of the season and how the players that get called onto the NRL squad bench aim up

 

[Aladinsane]

When I first saw that team I thought - that's a real strong Balmain team. I didn't process at first that it had also been bolstered by quality Magpies players. I'm a BRET fan, I go to their games and don't really travel to see the Magpies, so it's in my interest to shut up and just accept the good luck we've been given but I know if the shoe was on the other foot - no matter the long term desire of Wests Tigers to have one State Cup team - I wouldn't be happy either. Magpies supporters have every right to be up in arms.

I agree Fulleighty, if the shoe was on the other foot , I would be peerved off as well.

The Western Suburbs Vs Balmain games were a highlight in my footy year , and now I feel, they just won't have the same impact anymore

Pity they all couldn't agree for one solid Wests Tigers State Cup team for 2011…...it MUST happen in 2012, because this is just not fair.

Insaying that , I can't wait to see BRET run onto Campbelltown and thump Wentworthville this Afternoon

 

[crouching_tiger]

I do hope that sooner rather than later we can run a united Wests Tigers State Cup side under the Wests Tigers banner as it makes sense.

Will be even worse.

Wests fans will still find a way to whinge that a unison WT banner is a step to making Magpies extinct altogether.

Both State Cup feeders would then likely be forced to join Bundy or A-Grade which means the influx of talent would be filtered further away from scouts. We currently have a pool of around 40 State Cup players between both clubs and half could be forced to seek another club and be further away from their goals.
The beauty of the current situation is it keeps the top grade with plenty of depth in the reserves which WT have not had the luxury of in the dark years.

 

[alien]

The beauty of the current situation is it keeps the top grade with plenty of depth in the reserves which WT have not had the luxury of in the dark years.

They don't need to give BRET Wests best players AND the WT contracted players to keep that depth though.

I just want to say again that this is very disappointing and there is no real need for doing this. They know this is going to make it hard for Wests to compete. I know the players will give it their all though but the people who made this decision are bascially pissing on a foundation club, a club that has been around longer than they have and it makes me sick. Whoever is responsible for this I want gone. I will continue to support the players because you can't blame any of the players for it.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

They don't need to give BRET Wests best players AND the WT contracted players to keep that depth though

I just want to say again that this is very disappointing and there is no real need for doing this. They know this is going to make it hard for Wests to compete. I know the players will give it their all though but the people who made this decision are bascially p**s on a foundation club, a club that has been around longer than they have and it makes me sick. Whoever is responsible for this I want gone. I will continue to support the players because you can't blame any of the players for it.

Obviously the Wests Tigers see it differently Alien… And while we understand your dissapointment, think about the brighter future the WESTS Tigers can achieve as a result (re: Smeg's post). Alot of this frustration could of been avoided simply by calling this team the "Wests Tigers" in the NSW Cup as originally requested, but it appears some old heads at certain clubs dont have the same vision as their Top Level Brand Football Club.

At the end of the day, the existance of the Wests Tigers Brand is far more important and the structure is starting to look clearer:

NRL - Wests Tigers
NSW Cup - Wests Tigers
Toyota Cup - Wests Tigers
Junior Representative/Development (SG Ball etc) - Balmain Junior Rugby League & Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League

A clearer pathway for all!!!

 

[magpie_mania]

they don't need to give bret wests best players and the wt contracted players to keep that depth though

i just want to say again that this is very disappointing and there is no real need for doing this. They know this is going to make it hard for wests to compete. I know the players will give it their all though but the people who made this decision are bascially p**s on a foundation club, a club that has been around longer than they have and it makes me sick. Whoever is responsible for this i want gone. I will continue to support the players because you can't blame any of the players for it.

obviously the wests tigers see it differently alien… And while we understand your dissapointment, think about the brighter future the wests tigers can achieve as a result (re: smeg's post). Alot of this frustration could of been avoided simply by calling this team the "wests tigers" in the nsw cup as originally requested, but it appears some old heads at certain clubs dont have the same vision as their top level brand football club.

At the end of the day, the existance of the wests tigers brand is far more important and the structure is starting to look clearer:

nrl - wests tigers
nsw cup - wests tigers
toyota cup - wests tigers
junior representative/development (sg ball etc) - balmain junior rugby league & western suburbs junior rugby league

a clearer pathway for all!!!

so to make a clearer pathway for all you take everyone from wests and give them to bret.pull your head in watta

 

[redemption]

they don't need to give bret wests best players and the wt contracted players to keep that depth though

i just want to say again that this is very disappointing and there is no real need for doing this. They know this is going to make it hard for wests to compete. I know the players will give it their all though but the people who made this decision are bascially p**s on a foundation club, a club that has been around longer than they have and it makes me sick. Whoever is responsible for this i want gone. I will continue to support the players because you can't blame any of the players for it.

obviously the wests tigers see it differently alien… And while we understand your dissapointment, think about the brighter future the wests tigers can achieve as a result (re: smeg's post). Alot of this frustration could of been avoided simply by calling this team the "wests tigers" in the nsw cup as originally requested, but it appears some old heads at certain clubs dont have the same vision as their top level brand football club.

At the end of the day, the existance of the wests tigers brand is far more important and the structure is starting to look clearer:

nrl - wests tigers
nsw cup - wests tigers
toyota cup - wests tigers
junior representative/development (sg ball etc) - balmain junior rugby league & western suburbs junior rugby league

a clearer pathway for all!!!

so to make a clearer pathway for all you take everyone from wests and give them to bret.pull your head in watta

Mate - your own staunch Magpies supporters acknowledge that your club is incredibly unprofessional & run on a shoe-string budget - and yet you ironically question why fringe first-graders would be directed to a better run club!!??!!

I hope you can clean up your own backyard & the Magpies can become a genuine force (both off-field & on) in the not too distant future!!

 

[magpie_mania]

I take your point on wests and being poorly run.however on the field wests were run every bit aswell as bret.to me it makes more sense if you wanted to get rid of the magpies board and throw in some tigers as that is where the problem lies.

 

[redemption]

BALMAIN RYDE EASTWOOD
1\. Jake Mullaney
2\. Sam Latu
3\. Matt Utai
4\. Jake Clarke
5\. Ratu Tagive
6\. Sean Meaney
7\. Jacob Miller
8\. Alan Schirnack
9\. Matt Hyland
10\. Andrew Pearn
11\. Josh Davis
12\. Nu Akeripa
13\. Jarred Farlow

Interchange
14\. Junior Roqica
15\. Neil Begovich
16\. Jason Schirnack
17\. Matt Ryan
18\. Rhys Curran
19\. Alipate Noilea
20\. Dean Parata
21\. Eloni Vunakece
22\. Mitch Achurch
23\. Matt Davidson
24\. Sione Tovo
25\. Limoni Kaumutu

One thing that hasn't been discussed here amid the furore over Wests kids playing for BRET is how the frick does Utai get a start a head of Matty Ryan????

That is a disgrace!

And I would also like to say I would prefer to see Mullaney, Pearn, Davis, Akeripa etc all turn out for the Magpies today & continue their long association with their traditional/junior club!

I can assure you that I am not in favour of your club being ripped apart MM, BB, alien, geo etc!!

 

[redemption]

I take your point on wests and being poorly run.however on the field wests were run every bit aswell as bret.to me it makes more sense if you wanted to get rid of the magpies board and throw in some tigers as that is where the problem lies.

As Jack Gibson was fond of saying - success starts in the front office!

If you are unprofessional off-field - then that poor culture will leak into your on-field endeavours!

If I were you I'd be doing everything I could to overthrow the current Board & replace them with people who are genuinely passionate - forward thinking & - most importantly - commercially competent!!

 

[magpie_mania]

i take your point on wests and being poorly run.however on the field wests were run every bit aswell as bret.to me it makes more sense if you wanted to get rid of the magpies board and throw in some tigers as that is where the problem lies.

as jack gibson was fond of saying - success starts in the front office!

If you are unprofessional off-field - then that poor culture will leak into your on-field endeavours!

If i were you i'd be doing everything i could to overthrow the current board & replace them with people who are genuinely passionate - forward thinking & - most importantly - commercially competent!!

and as jesus christ once said the strong shall give the weak his arm.and if i were you i would keep looking at this objectively unlike some from the balmain side who are unfairly labelling wests fans as whingers because we arent happy about lending our arm and being labelled whingers aswell.had big plans on watching wests magpies games this year and a month out from the start the carpet has been pulled from under and replaced by a magic carpet.where this ends who knows.

 

[Staks]

Pull ya heads in. Boofheads.

 

[redemption]

Pull ya heads in. Boofheads.

That's constructive!!!

& you label others boofheads!!

Are you a Magpies Board member perchance????

 

[Tiger_Watto]

so to make a clearer pathway for all you take everyone from wests and give them to bret.pull your head in watta

MM, acting like a third grade kid wont get you far!!! This is a Wests Tigers Forum and to put it simply, what's best for the Wests Tigers isnt always whats best for Wests Magpies….

The decision has been made that the WT Contracted Players will play in the one team.... Would you prefer the WT ignore all the players who turn out for Wests in NSW Cup, or would you prefer to have some form of pathway for your juniors? (I know even you want to see your juniors run out one day for the Wests Tigers or you wouldnt be on this forum.)

When Wests stole Paul Langmack & David Gillespie from Canterbury, I bet you were pretty happy!!!

Now onto the Trials.... Did anyone actually grab the Wests Team for todays Trial v Mt Pritchard?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

BALMAIN LOSE 44-24 IN STATE CUP TRIAL
By Wayne Cousins
19/02/2011 5:27:25 PM
Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers suffered a 44-24 loss to Wentworthville in a State Cup trial at Campbelltown Sports Stadium today.

The match was played over four quarters due to the very hot conditions in Sydney’s west.

The Tigers opened the scoring in the 10th minute when a short crosskick by five-eighth Sean Meaney was caught on the full by half-back Jacob Miller . Full-back Jake Mullaney converted for a 6-0 lead.

The Eels opened their account when second-rower Tom Vainga dived over in the corner after a crossfield kick was spilt by the Tigers.

Five-eighth Brad Murray failed to convert from the sideline.

2nd quarter

A good pass by Murray found lock Mitch Stanfield in support who offloaded to Henry Raiwalui to dive over next to the posts in the second minute for an 8-6 lead. Murray’s attempt hit the upright.

Two minutes later, Eels centre Troy Savage dives on the loose ball after Meaney fails to ground the ball in-goal. Murray converts the try for a 14-6 lead.

Meaney made up for his mistake when he backed up a break by centre Matt Utai after clever work by hooker Matt Hyland. Mullaney converted from in front for a 14-12 scoreline eight minutes remaining in the second quarter.

Tigers winger Sam Latu was all set to score but the final pass from ,Utai was intercepted by Eels winger Cliff Nye who showed a clean pair of heels to race away to score in the corner. Murray converted the try for a 20-12 lead at half-time.

3rd quarter
Quick hands and numbers out wide saw Parramatta stretch their lead to 24-12 with a try to Lepani Waqa. Murray converted for a 26-12 lead.

A short pass from dummy half saw prop Nathan Armit crash over next to the posts to score. Murray converted the try to give the Eels a 32-12 lead with 5 minutes remaining.

A minute later, the Eels made a break down the right wing resulting in second-rower Keresoma Sione scoring. Murray converted the try for a 38-12 lead.

4th quarter
A grubber kick by Miller was spilt in goal by the Eels to allow Junior Roqica to score next to the posts. Miller converted the try for a 38-18 scoreline with 10 minutes remaining.

A minute later, Tigers back Limoni Kaumutu finished off a break to score near the posts. Miller converted the try for a 38-24 scoreline.
The Eels finished the match off when winger Mark Hendy scored behind the posts. Murray converted for a 44-24 scoreline.

Wentworthville 44 (Tom Vainga, Henry Raiwalui, Troy Savage, Cliff Nye, Lepani Waqa, Nathan Armit, Keresoma Sione, Mark Hendy tries; Murray 6 goals) d Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers 24 (Jacob Milller, Sean Meaney, Junior Rogica, Limoni Kaumutu tries; Jake Mullaney 2 goals, Miller 2 goals).

 

[tomcat]

Whats the go with Meany playing five eighth for bret thought there were a few clubs interested in him last year as a fullback.Now looks like Mullaney has pushed him out of fullback and the goal kicking duties. : :blush:

 

[kill_em_all_tigers]

Kul,
I agree with what you are saying, but I will ask you one question, why don't WT give Wests Magpies the top 25 players in that case instead of BRET? I mean really, Ryde Eastwood have noting to do with Wests Tigers but benefit greatly through finances provided by the Wests Magpies group.
If what you are saying is correct then there is a direct bias towards BRET. That's what upsets me.
It obviously is at the point of no return and it looks like Wests Magpies will agree on one team in 2012\. I hope so anyway.

it's a classic reproduction of King Solomon & the baby.

"Who owns this baby?"

"i do!"

"no i do!"

"O.k i'll cut it in half."

"No please don't!"

"Sounds good. i'll sharpen the knife you slice & dice."

 

[matty119]

Kul,
I agree with what you are saying, but I will ask you one question, why don't WT give Wests Magpies the top 25 players in that case instead of BRET? I mean really, Ryde Eastwood have noting to do with Wests Tigers but benefit greatly through finances provided by the Wests Magpies group.
If what you are saying is correct then there is a direct bias towards BRET. That's what upsets me.
It obviously is at the point of no return and it looks like Wests Magpies will agree on one team in 2012\. I hope so anyway.

To be quite honest, why should Wests get the contracted players if they are the people who don't want to have one side? Why put all those players who are trying to get into the top grade at a place where they are not wanted? Balmain have clearly warmed to the idea of one State Cup side, even if it means losing 'Balmain' in the State Cup, and Wests haven't. I'm sure if it wasn't for this, we would be talking about the Wests Tigers State Cup side this year.

This probably assists the decision, with Balmain training at Leichhardt, and keeping close contact with Concord. I don't think its really logical or smart to send players who are unwanted by that club to train out at Liverpool, with less than impressive facilities, as opposed to Concord, or Leichhardt with a stable structure.

Of course, all this is sorted if Wests simply agree that Wests Tigers is the best way forward as Balmain have, rather than fight and squabble over their lost identity at their own expense.

 

[system]

From my understanding the BRET side is now training out of Concords facilities as well

 

[king_sirro]

From my understanding the BRET side is now training out of Concords facilities as well

now thats a good move.